The Dark Goma Mafia: Massacre of the Cloth (Game Over)

[chamber]

I only know as much as the rest of you. I got no pm on the matter.

[VP Baltar]

damn.

[SpyreX]

I've been trying to wrap my hands around it and maybe talking it out I can see what I could have missed:

1.) You claimed first. You claimed half the only doc role we've seen thus far.
--- Thus, you being scum would mean:
----- You were given a fakeclaim.
--------Which doesn't mesh really from ANYTHING we've seen thus far.
----- You actually have a power that lets you find roles and killed the real one and stole it
--------I'm pretty sure we've seen the removal of a death from your source?
----- You have balls of steel.
--------This is true BUT that leads us to the llama dilemna:

2.) LLama claimed after. He claimed the OTHER half of the doc role.
--- Thus, Llama being scum would mean:
----- We were only given half a doc role?
--------- All things considered, unlikely.
----- Llama opted to claim giving more credence to his claim via yours
--------- We STILL should have seen a counterclaim.
----- LLama has balls of steel.
--------- This COULD be but, ultimately, the only situation in which this works is:

* Both of you are scum together. You took a gamble that the doc was killed beforehand and opted to fake a claim in such a way that your partner could ALSO climb on the other end and ride this boat to the bank. You then have been manipulating the kills so that there have been some "doc" protects

In which case: I have been simply outplayed and good game.

---

Now, for the other piece of conundrum: can someone explain to me in the simplest terms what has happened with Sajin that eliminates him from being X?

[VP Baltar]

Sajin was roleblocked by SP on like Night 3 and we still had both kills, therefore he's not the strangler.

I don't see him as being cleared from being scum though. He did make an argument that there was a wagon on him at the time that there was a scum being wagoned too...which gives some credence to him being town.

Re: Llama-it has occured to me that Llama could be scum (either or) and we really did only have a half doc in this game. In some sense I could see a mod doing this...but it would also probably be unfair to an SK to have a doc out there that could block their kills while a whole scum team has nothing preventing it from killing. Since I haven't seen any other roles that look specifically aimed at limiting the scum team, I think it's pretty unlikely that Llama is scum who was riding my claim.

And yeah, that would take some balls for sure.

[SpyreX]

Not to mention that, ultimately, we've seen only a handful of REALLY NICE town power roles. Most of them are hijinks.

So, two halves of a doc makes sense to me.

Which leads us to the other funny business that still gets me:

SB - no power
Sajin - ????

Unvote, Vote: SB

[SpyreX]

Assuming you two are not scum and the poison works I think we can't lose though.

[VP Baltar]

Vote:SB

Zombie train.

[SpyreX]

Were only you and I ever touched by the toucher?

[VP Baltar]

Yeah, SC died night 3.

[SpyreX]

Thought so.

[VP Baltar]

Yeah, so that also proves to me that you're not the SK since I would think killing is an active ability and there was still a strangulation night 2.

[SpyreX]

Really the ONLY situation I could be scum of any sort (barring two scum / 1 sk left which is still unlikely) is if scum can kill AND use their power in the same night AND the ability to kill isn't active.

[Sajin]

Really the ONLY situation I could be scum of any sort (barring two scum / 1 sk left which is still unlikely) is if scum can kill AND use their power in the same night AND the ability to kill isn't active.

I agree with this, otherwise batlemage would not have floundered so when asked by sociopath.

I still think its a group think on snowbunny. Can someone explain why snowbunny is likely to me based on more then gut? I find it unlikely a SK would go for a miller claim.

Spyrex you have yet to say why my role of ???? power typing is scummy beyond "I don't like it". The dead mafia have had quite a few practical abilities claimed that made sense with their name (Sniffer, bubble blower etc). Dramonic seemed to think he had that power and had caught the SK with it. So how is "Thats not a likely power" argument hold any weight in your opinion?

Besides if I was scum faking my claim, I would of made a way better one. You know I am a good claimer, in WoT I CCed a cop, got him lynched and was not lynched the next day and made it to endgame. If I was scum I wasted one of my best skills to no advantage. In fact seeing how stupid and scummy my role was, I did not post details that I noticed were different until L-1 when I felt like I was being lynched anyways. Funny how you repeat those same details to throw mud at me.

I still think at least 1 doctor is scum here. There is no reason why it could not be town/SK or mafia/town or even mafia/SK there. Notice how the confirmed town of sociopath died when I specifically asked the doctors to protect him somehow died and the kills have rarely/never been blocked (and when one was blocked I think sociopath did it to BM). For that reason I strongly believe VP Baltar is the SK. A fiting false claim, the doctor to his own role.

Vote: VP Baltar

Back to work, christmas is stupid busy for me.

[SpyreX]

I still think its a group think on snowbunny. Can someone explain why snowbunny is likely to me based on more then gut? I find it unlikely a SK would go for a miller claim.

Yea its the RIGHT freaking group think. SB has been coasting along only to pop up and watch that get derailed over and over again. No.

Spyrex you have yet to say why my role of ???? power typing is scummy beyond "I don't like it". The dead mafia have had quite a few practical abilities claimed that made sense with their name (Sniffer, bubble blower etc). Dramonic seemed to think he had that power and had caught the SK with it. So how is "Thats not a likely power" argument hold any weight in your opinion?

Thats not even remotely my issue you saying you have ???? power. Its more like this:

VP: I'm a doctor. I protect against strangulation.
Llama: I'm a doctor. I protect against slittings.
Chamber: I'm the weatherman. I make the weather happen.
SpyreX: I'm the alchemist. I don't know what my potions DO but I give potions out.
SB: I'm a miller!
Sajin: I'm the unknown. I don't know what I do. At all.

Of this there is at least two liars. Which ones stand out as totally not making sense?

Besides if I was scum faking my claim, I would of made a way better one. You know I am a good claimer, in WoT I CCed a cop, got him lynched and was not lynched the next day and made it to endgame. If I was scum I wasted one of my best skills to no advantage. In fact seeing how stupid and scummy my role was, I did not post details that I noticed were different until L-1 when I felt like I was being lynched anyways. Funny how you repeat those same details to throw mud at me.

Hi I am anecdotal evidence, the bastard brother to meta which is woosh.

I'm not throwing mud. Notice I'm voting for SB.

Lets be clear though. If there is a tomorrow because SB lynch and chamber poison doesn't end it its going to take an act of god for me to not lynch you.

Its not just a function of the claim. Its a function of the play.

Lets go ahead and get another example of this:

I still think at least 1 doctor is scum here. There is no reason why it could not be town/SK or mafia/town or even mafia/SK there. Notice how the confirmed town of sociopath died when I specifically asked the doctors to protect him somehow died and the kills have rarely/never been blocked (and when one was blocked I think sociopath did it to BM). For that reason I strongly believe VP Baltar is the SK. A fiting false claim, the doctor to his own role.

So, lets break this down.

VP, the doctor who claimed first, is the SK. Further, he through prescience knew that there wasn't going to be a true "doctor" and the doctor roles were going to be halved. Even moreso, he managed to pick the correct one and Llama's claim acted to corroborate this.

This is further shown because he opted not to do what was said in thread. This means his explanation of trying to WIFOM the scum is invalid.

On the flipside:

Your role of ???? power source that you do not know what to do is totally legit because, of course, as scum you would have thought of a better one. Also, you changed the details at L-1 and my bringing this up over and over again is "slinging mud".

So, in short:

VP WIFOM = Scum
Sajin WIFOM = Town.

Yeaaa.

[LlamaFluff]

So im not going to vote SB yet, although PoE dictates that I should. I actually was all ready to lynch Vaya today for being strangler but ah well.

Anyways, "living" is me, chamber, SB, Sajin. If a 'dead' player is making kills for their faction thats going to be odd

@VPB/Spy - Do you count for the towns numbers?

But I know im not making those kills, Sajin got blocked (unblockable scum im going to discount), chamber is dead anyways, so that leaves SB.

@Sajin - Either SP blocked chamber making the kill or I saved him N6. Slit kill hasnt shown twice now.

[LlamaFluff]

Also please no one hammer SB right now, I would like to do a little more thinking about stuff first.

[SpyreX]

Rereading things from the flipped scum isos I'd eat the hat if SB-scum isn't some kind of BP.

The interaction between Llama and Tubby ALSO makes me think *gasp* Llama is town.

Watching VP jump on Tubby also makes me think *gasp* VP is town.

Watching ALL the scum jump on the Snow wagon and then go "aww, shucks" and jump off again is also cute.

ALTHOUGH, I will say this:

I would like everyone to go through SC's posts via d3 and see if they can find the secret breadcrumb on VP.

[curiouskarmadog]

Vote Count (Page 145, Day 8)

Snow_Bunny

-2 (SpyreX, VP Baltar)
Sajin -1 (The Ghost)
VP Baltar -1 (Sajin)

Not Voting:

Snow_Bunny, LlamaFluff, chamber,

Note: I am giving you 2 weeks. I am going to be gone from 12/18 until 12/27. I should have internet access, but it will be VERY light. Deadline will be at the earliest 12/30 at 9:45 PM EST. With 7 whole votes available, it takes 4 to lynch.

[SpyreX]

In fact while I'm hunting.

Unvote

[SpyreX]

Llama I have to assume I could for towns numbers or else... screwed? At this point.

[SpyreX]

Actually, hell, what I am doing.

THAT DAY SC was talking about someone else being the SK.

Further, N3 when I gave VP a potion and he claimed RB:

8.) SerialClergyman, The Toucher, With the Council, Strangled Night 3
5.) Papa Zito, The Jokester, With the Council, Throat Slit, Night 3

Sooo

[SpyreX]

And I -may- have found the breadcrumb to support this although if thats the case I'm gonna shake SC after this game?

[VP Baltar]

Actually, hell, what I am doing.

THAT DAY SC was talking about someone else being the SK.

Further, N3 when I gave VP a potion and he claimed RB:

8.) SerialClergyman, The Toucher, With the Council, Strangled Night 3
5.) Papa Zito, The Jokester, With the Council, Throat Slit, Night 3

Sooo

^This right here Sajin.

I was also roleblocked by Spy.

Also, your argument amounts to "You didn't make a good night choice".

You're either really dense town or flailing scum. I'm just trying to piece together what specifically you'd get out of my lynch if you are scum.

[LlamaFluff]

Llama I have to assume I could for towns numbers or else... screwed? At this point.

Yeah its kind of my point. If there are really four alive, any lynch loses the game flat out. In that case no lynch an hoping any NK-able anti-town knows not to kill and gets killed by other anti-town is the only way to get a win out of this.

Although as im writing this I am reminded of chambers impending death, so unless its a chamber-X (which it very well may be given the lack of kill when I think he got RBed), we have lost either way.

And as others have been saying this whole time - We arent lynching VPB

[SpyreX]

I'm not gonna second guess myself over this anymore.

Vote: SB

Hopefully GHOST DAD will see this and be a helper.