Mini 897 - OpenSource Mafia - Game over!!

[Glork]

In fact (and you're going to love this, and I sincerely apologize for the quadruple post),

Unvote, Vote: Phate

. I just looked over Vala's posting, and Phate's posting, and I have no idea how he's slid under the radar this long, but he stands out quite a bit to me now.

[UncertainKitten]

#2. MAybe UK for being slightly dodgy

Dodgy? Could you elaborate?

Because that would be a role based reason to vote him and thusly he's not on my list. And of course anyone who tries to undermine the truth is scummy.

Does your role PM confirm your sanity in such a way that you KNOW it's the truth?

Actually, I've changed my mind. Let's massclaim tomorrow.

At any rate, JL is still definitely the best lynch.

Vote: Faraday

You do realize this will make you look TERRIBLE should Faraday be lynched and flip cop.

SSK certainly isn't behaving like someone with information on someone being scum either, I mean if I'd got a guilty I'd at least want the person I got it on lynched, it'd give some information, but he just doesn't seem to care.

I'd like to think he trusts me, but that would kinda be precluded by him accusing me, ne? I do agree he's a little fishier.

The partial-reveal means that dead players will be revealed as "Guilty" or "Innocent" without additional information. This jives perfectly with what Faraday claimed as getting for his investigation results, so either he happened to guess at how alignments/investigations would work (very highly unlikely), he had inside information about reveals as scum (unlikely at best, though possible), or he's telling the truth.

This would have been my guess, but do you have anything that supports this officially, or is it conjecture? Rather important to establish, IMO.

One thing that struck me this morning: If I were scum, I'd probably want to keep the cops alive, at least as long as they continue to put faith into their own investigations. I'm not really sure how this reflects on me, since I've stated that I 100% believe Faraday's claim, but take it for what it's worth.

I will also go on record to state that at least one of the players who just tried to re-rail the JL/Faraday lynch {Phate, SB, SSK} is probably scum. I'm still willing to accept SB as innocent given the manner in which she partial-claimed, so SSK and Phate are both up on my list of potential scums.

Please resolve the apparent contradiction.

[UncertainKitten]

Thank you, SlySly, for the random quote fix. Well done .

I shall deign to read Vala then ^-^.

[Glork]

One thing that struck me this morning: If I were scum, I'd probably want to keep the cops alive, at least as long as they continue to put faith into their own investigations. I'm not really sure how this reflects on me, since I've stated that I 100% believe Faraday's claim, but take it for what it's worth.

I will also go on record to state that at least one of the players who just tried to re-rail the JL/Faraday lynch {Phate, SB, SSK} is probably scum. I'm still willing to accept SB as innocent given the manner in which she partial-claimed, so SSK and Phate are both up on my list of potential scums.

Please resolve the apparent contradiction.

I am not your average MafiaScum player. I'm pretty sure I (still) don't think like most people do.

[UncertainKitten]

I am not your average MafiaScum player. I'm pretty sure I (still) don't think like most people do.

Even so, if it's possible, there's probably an explanation for the apparent contradiction. I wouldn't mind it being resolved, since I'm reasonably sure someone as celebrated as you also has the ability to on some level explain their thought process.

[Glork]

This would have been my guess, but do you have anything that supports this officially, or is it conjecture? Rather important to establish, IMO.

Official.


Also, to elaborate on the previous point: Scum knee-jerk reaction is "COP! GET IT KILLED!" I'm pretty sure that, given SSK's "99% certainty" of information earlier, that your average player isn't thinking "a cop in a bastard game can do more harm than good." Fishy seems to have recognized this, even going as far as to use it as reasoning to keep his vote on Faraday, so he's lower on my list. Most players, I think, would hold to that initial reaction without thinking "How can I use this Cop to screw over the town?" Heck, the fact that "I would keep the Cop alive" didn't occur to me until today, should tell you that those two posts aren't inconsistent.

[UncertainKitten]

Also, to elaborate on the previous point: Scum knee-jerk reaction is "COP! GET IT KILLED!" I'm pretty sure that, given SSK's "99% certainty" of information earlier, that your average player isn't thinking "a cop in a bastard game can do more harm than good." Fishy seems to have recognized this, even going as far as to use it as reasoning to keep his vote on Faraday, so he's lower on my list. Most players, I think, would hold to that initial reaction without thinking "How can I use this Cop to screw over the town?" Heck, the fact that "I would keep the Cop alive" didn't occur to me until today, should tell you that those two posts aren't inconsistent.

Understood. To be fair, I technically could have been considered as someone finding the idea of a bastard cop harmful in that I derailed the Vaya lynch to do a confirmation check.

I'm unsure what this would mean though.

Anyway, been looking at Vala. It's kinda scary when your first 9 posts of the game are all IIoA and I don't see a stop to it in sight.

[Glork]

I don't think it means much, because I think it takes a certain deviousness and level of bastard-familiarity that most (if not all) of us are lacking. Heck, I played in the first official Bastard Mafia

as scum

and the thought had never occurred to me until just a short while ago.

[UncertainKitten]

And...indeed the IIoA continues. I can't believe that that, coupled with the crazy Battle Royale theory didn't ping everyone's radar. But yeah, all 15 posts involve ZERO scumhunting and 15 posts of IIoA. Actually more like 13, since I can't include the replacement request posts.

/me reads Phate

Phate's first real post is decent, all things considered.

Too bad it drops to an obsession with Josh, and more importantly his activity, whereas with the case stated he could move on to interacting with other players.

This is basically a sarcastic confession. Why did no one notice this?

Then the call for massclaim and more tunneling on JL and...nothing else.

I am suddenly VERY comfortable with

Unvote, Vote Phate

[Iecerint]

Vala was pretty vapid, but she wasn't as vapid as Pom. So if that's all there is, this is a little silly. There was this, though:

Your response just prompted me to re-read my role PM, and it does in fact mention town.

I didn't think much of it at the time, but it's potentially, ye know, damage control.

I liked Phate up until the utterly bizarre massclaim request (quickly retracted) and his continuing to target Faraday. I would normally dispute that FT's providing a "better reason" ("Cops don't matter!") for his continuing support for Farawagon exonerates him, but the fact that's he's claimed CrApple Miller does help him more than it would otherwise.

Phate, why did you originally request a massclaim?

[Pomegranate]

In fact (and you're going to love this, and I sincerely apologize for the quadruple post),

Unvote, Vote: Phate

. I just looked over Vala's posting, and Phate's posting, and I have no idea how he's slid under the radar this long, but he stands out quite a bit to me now.

This, plus the repeated call for massclaim, and the vote on Faraday after his cop claim? I can't not

Vote: Phate

.

[Faraday]

In fact (and you're going to love this, and I sincerely apologize for the quadruple post),

Unvote, Vote: Phate

. I just looked over Vala's posting, and Phate's posting, and I have no idea how he's slid under the radar this long, but he stands out quite a bit to me now.

This, plus the repeated call for massclaim, and the vote on Faraday after his cop claim? I can't not

Vote: Phate

.

Repeated? eh, he's done it once.

Have you previously expressed any suspicioun of Vala/Phate, Pom?

I ctrl+ F'd your posts and didn't really see you mention them in a negative light at all up till now.

[Pomegranate]

In fact (and you're going to love this, and I sincerely apologize for the quadruple post),

Unvote, Vote: Phate

. I just looked over Vala's posting, and Phate's posting, and I have no idea how he's slid under the radar this long, but he stands out quite a bit to me now.

This, plus the repeated call for massclaim, and the vote on Faraday after his cop claim? I can't not

Vote: Phate

.

Repeated? eh, he's done it once.

Twice, actually. Once for today, and once saying that we do it first thing tomorrow.

[AlmasterGM]

This, plus the repeated call for massclaim, and the vote on Faraday after his cop claim? I can't not

Vote: Phate

.

Oh look, a wagon, let me quick get on it.

Scum-E.

This is basically a sarcastic confession. Why did no one notice this?

I personally don't buy your argument. I have entertained making (and have possibly made, IIRC) posts like that as town before. I don't see how honesty is a scumtell.

[UncertainKitten]

I personally don't buy your argument. I have entertained making (and have possibly made, IIRC) posts like that as town before. I don't see how honesty is a scumtell.

It is more liable that scum would hang a lampshade on antitown behavior as opposed to town.

Also, why do you suddenly decide to defend Phate half heartedly, and only counter one of my points anyway?

[Snow_Bunny]

Wait, wait, wait, I got lost a few pages ago between Faraday's claim, SSK and Phate. What's with Phate? Other than wanting to lynch Faraday (which I can't say much about).

[Pomegranate]

He's done very little, and has suggested mass-claim.

[AlmasterGM]

It is more liable that scum would hang a lampshade on antitown behavior as opposed to town.

Why?

Also, why do you suddenly decide to defend Phate half heartedly, and only counter one of my points anyway?

Because my defense IS half-hearted. I agree with the other arguments against Phate. I just disagree with that particular part of the accusation.

[UncertainKitten]

Wait, wait, wait, I got lost a few pages ago between Faraday's claim, SSK and Phate. What's with Phate? Other than wanting to lynch Faraday (which I can't say much about).

Iso him and decide.

Why?

I think the page I linked explains it well enough, actually.

Because my defense IS half-hearted. I agree with the other arguments against Phate. I just disagree with that particular part of the accusation.

then you're just being nitpicky ^-^. But fair enough.

Also, Pom seems to be following the wagon with just about as much effort as you defended Phate with...dunno what to do here.

[Faraday]

Today is deadline, right? Come on. Sociopath has been posting in other games, stop avoiding this one.

[Faraday]

Oh right, sorry it's next Friday. MY bad.

Votecount plz mod

[Phate]

He's done very little, and has suggested mass-claim.

I would like for you (not anyone else, until she's had a crack at it) to explain exactly why suggesting a mass-claim is scummy.

[Iecerint]

(After she's done so, please answer my question.)

[AlmasterGM]

He's done very little, and has suggested mass-claim.

I would like for you (not anyone else, until she's had a crack at it) to explain exactly why suggesting a mass-claim is scummy.

I want to hear this as well.

[Pomegranate]

He's done very little, and has suggested mass-claim.

I would like for you (not anyone else, until she's had a crack at it) to explain exactly why suggesting a mass-claim is scummy.

I don't have time to explain fully right now (due to my weekly V/LA). Mass-claim is generally a bad idea in early game because once PRs are outed, then often they're killed soon after. Yes, we can coordinate our night actions better, but it's a trade off, because usually the mafia NK the PRs ASAP. That's the basic reason not to mass-claim early in the game.