Open 191 - Paris Mafia II (Game Over!)

[VP Baltar]

Vote Count 1-6

:

Kise ~ L-5 (Cat, Looker)

kyle99 ~ L-6 (xRECKONERx)
Cat ~ L-6 (Rhinox)
Gerty ~ L-6 (Dry-fit)
XScorpion ~ L-6 (flinter)
Mylynes ~ L-6 (Gerty)
flinter ~ L-6 (xofelf)

Not Voting: Kise, kyle99, XScorpion, Mylynes

With

12

alive, it takes

7

to lynch. Deadline is January 18 at roughly 8 a.m. (GMT-5).

[XScorpion]

Actually I'm just really bad/lazy town but ok lol.

[kyle99]

Actually I'm just really bad/lazy town but ok lol.

Nice. Those are great qualities for a townie.

[Rhinox]

I think kise is mime, and I think people need to post more, specifically Sarag. I'll

vote: Sarag

till he comes and explains himself.

leaning*

Ah crap, I hate alts.

unvote

.

so tell me kyle, why was sarag ok to vote until you realized it was gerty? did you realize you accidentally voted your scum partner?

Mod - if the mimes achieve their win condition, does the game end?

Yes, all win conditions are exclusive victories.

oh... back to vig the mimes afterall.

[Kise]

Mod - How exactly can town win exclusively? Obviously mafia needs to die, but what if it's just the town and the mimes left; how does town win?

Critical thinking is fun. -The mod

[Kise]

Especially if the vig dies.

[flinter]

I think kise is mime, and I think people need to post more, specifically Sarag. I'll

vote: Sarag

till he comes and explains himself.

leaning*

Ah crap, I hate alts.

unvote

.

so tell me kyle, why was sarag ok to vote until you realized it was gerty? did you realize you accidentally voted your scum partner?

Rhinox, I'm sorry, but you can already know the answer to this question, while it seems a serious one. I think it is therefore wrong to imply scum motivations. (it is easier to take the obvious answer)

[kyle99]

I think kise is mime, and I think people need to post more, specifically Sarag. I'll

vote: Sarag

till he comes and explains himself.

leaning*

Ah crap, I hate alts.

unvote

.

so tell me kyle, why was sarag ok to vote until you realized it was gerty? did you realize you accidentally voted your scum partner?

Um, no, I unvoted when I realized that he wasn't actually in the game. I thought that he was a normal player who was lurking, not an alt of an actual player.

[XScorpion]

Actually I'm just really bad/lazy town but ok lol.

Nice. Those are great qualities for a townie.

I never said I was any good at this game

[Kise]

Mod - How exactly can town win exclusively? Obviously mafia needs to die, but what if it's just the town and the mimes left; how does town win?

Critical thinking is fun. -The mod

Am I going crazy, or didn't we find out earlier that the game continues if both goons are dead?

[xRECKONERx]

Mod definitely said if both goons die, the game continues.

Basically, I think it means that if the vig is dead and goons are dead, the best town can get is a stalemate.

I support a no lynch till mimes are dead plan.

[XScorpion]

I did too but then flinter reminded me that the person with the most votes gets lynched even if its not a majority
And if everyone unvotes, a mime just votes for himself and lols at us

[Mylynes]

Well, here is my thought process.
I think Kise is mime.
The vig is supposed to shoot him tonight.
When he gets shot, if he is mime, all mimes are dead (cannot fulfill win condition).
I don't see a point in "finding anti-town players" when we don't want to lynch half of them. I'd rather wait until the mimes are dead, THEN go scumhunting.

Vote: XScorpion

You should always be looking for scum even though there are mimes in the game. There is no reason to not be scumhunting if you are town. This makes me think you are either mafia or a mime trying to look like mafia.

I would rather not let scum hide behind the mimes and I am definately against having a no-lynch. We still need to try to lynch mafia today.

[XScorpion]

I guess the last game just made me feel that scumhunting with mimes around is a waste of time :/
Hence why I'd rather wait for the scum or vig to kill one first.

[kyle99]

Mod definitely said if both goons die, the game continues.

Basically, I think it means that if the vig is dead and goons are dead, the best town can get is a stalemate.

I support a no lynch till mimes are dead plan.

Didn't the mod say that you can't vote no lynch until mimes are dead?

[Mylynes]

Mod definitely said if both goons die, the game continues.

Basically, I think it means that if the vig is dead and goons are dead, the best town can get is a stalemate.

I support a no lynch till mimes are dead plan.

Would the mafia want to put off killing townies until the mimes are dead? Even if they would want to do that I would still want to be searching for them now.

As I think it would be better for the town to search for both the mafia and the mimes and attempt to lynch mafia and vig a mime. We only need to kill one mime and a no-lynch really isn't an option because a smart mime would self vote right before the deadline in a no-lynch situation.

[Gerty]

- We

should/are

going to lynch Kise if he doesn't vote. What other purpose would you see in keeping him around?

What are your reasons for believing that Kise is mafia rather than a mime?

Didn't the mod say that you can't vote no lynch until mimes are dead?

Yes he did. There can be no stalemate - if the goons and the vig die, the mimes win (yay critical thinking!).

I guess the last game just made me feel that scumhunting with mimes around is a waste of time :/
Hence why I'd rather wait for the scum or vig to kill one first.

This is not an option (as has been stated several times ITT), so it's even worse than an excuse not to scumhunt. Who are your scum suspects right now?

@Mylynes:

What changed between your vote on Kyle and your "town leaning" read? Please be specific.

[Looker]

- We

should/are

going to lynch Kise if he doesn't vote. What other purpose would you see in keeping him around?

What are your reasons for believing that Kise is mafia rather than a mime?

I have none. I thought he was town being intentionally abrasive and was hoping a pressure vote would help. I'm much more comfortable with him being Vigged than anything else.

---

Scorpion, looks like you're up - who will it be?

unvote
vote xscorpion

[Mylynes]

@Mylynes:

What changed between your vote on Kyle and your "town leaning" read? Please be specific.

Nothing. Actually I wasn't very suspicious of him to begin with but other people were and I did not really have any good leads thanks to mimes being in the game so I wanted to at least add some pressure and see if he ends up looking more like scum than town based on his response.

Since then though I've decided to rate people as being either town, mafia, or mime and it takes a little more work but I think I understand mimes better now. I still haven't completed a game of mafia yet but I'm trying to learn as we go.

To me it looks like it would be in the towns best interest to search for both mafia and mimes then lynch or vig accordingly.

[VP Baltar]

Cat has not picked up her prod after 24 hrs. Searching for a replacement now.

[XScorpion]

@Looker: I'm curious as to why you've already switched votes away from Kise even though he didn't vote anyone? This looks like wishy washy voting to me until you hit a bandwagon, giving you an excuse to keep a vote there.

But if you are so insistent that I vote for someone, then OMGUS I guess.

Vote: Looker

[flinter]

great, our scorpion has 3 votes! Seen recent evidence, I would like to see more votes. While Kise has been said to be a vig-target, and kyle is still working on his playstyle (obviously), I think there are no other interesting players to lynch.

There doesn't happen to be someone who knows scorpion well in here, right? Since what he is doing here, is scum starting out clumsily (not a lot of experience in scum-play, or generally having trouble with it), and now with his last vote trying to imply he is a mime

or: he is a mime, who started out very cleverly, without attracting too much attention but waiting for people to find him, his recent vote for looker would then be a slightly less clever and more obvious way to get more votes.

I believe that if he was a mime, his play would not deteriorate if he started out that brilliant. Making it obvious would be a definate different strategy.

As scum however, his unlucky play that made me find him could very well lead to a change in strategy. Having found out that his normal defense doesn't work, as it was shown to be scummy, the answer would be to actually deteriorate his play, hoping that we would think he was a mime.

[Rhinox]

Flinter, why are you defending kyle and subverting my scumhunting methods?

I buy this answer

[url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 5Xscorpion, where was this conversation between you and flinter?[/url]

I can get behind an Xscorpion lynch. He has been looking pretty scummy.

unvote, vote Xscorpion

[Rhinox]

EBWOP: postfail

Flinter, why are you defending kyle and subverting my scumhunting methods?

I buy this answer

Xscorpion, where was this conversation between you and flinter?

I can get behind an Xscorpion lynch. He has been looking pretty scummy.

unvote, vote Xscorpion

[XScorpion]

So, you don't believe there is any chance whatsoever that I'm just a bad, lazy townie who got frustrated with the last 191 and doesn't feel as confident anymore about games with mimes?
Well on the bright side, at least if I get lynched today you don't hit a mime...