Mafia 107 - Christmas Time Mafia (Game over)

[sorasgoof]

In other words, noobclaim. Research a role before you claim it.

*headdesk/facepalm*

For your information, I actually did research the JoaT after the varying alignment thing was brought up, and I only found him in the "Protagonistic" section.

I for one am sick and tired of people saying I'm noobclaiming when I'm not.

On a sort of related note, I'm sick and tired of seeing the term "headdesk."

Are we going to wait until the deadline to make ill-advised votes? I think the closer we get to the deadline, the more hastily those that don't have votes on someone will make votes. (Did that make sense?)

I think we do need to come to a consensus. If we don't, it'll end with a no-lynch, which won't do any good at all.

[ready2rock]

@pman: read my post 886. I point out what we could get from a DoS list.

@bogre: Let me clarify what I meant. Let's say I have 2 people that I'm suspicious of:
person A- 70% sure that they're scum, posting what seems to be content on the surface that might misdirect the town's actions at some point in the day.
person B- 70% sure that they're scum, posting almost no content and not directing anyone's actions in any way.

Person A in this case happens to be pman, who I put on the top of my scum list in post 861. Person B is DoS. After Parama made his case, my % of DoS rose to 95%, so I decided that it would be better to lynch the person that I was almost sure was scum than the person that I was pretty sure was scum that was contributing more.

Part 2 of my post: These wagons have tended to form so quickly in this game that it can get to L-2 or L-1 before someone even can make a case for themselves. This is the reason I wanted to wait to vote, to see if he would defend himself. Now that he has pretty much refused to defend himself, I have no problem with voting for him.

Vote: DragonsofSummer

@RichardGHP: you are right this time. If you looked it up and could not find it, then that is not noobclaiming (side note: I couldn't even find noobclaiming on the wiki, so I don't know where it came from).

@Konowa: Where did you go?

[ready2rock]

Let me try that again since I realized that I still had my vote on pman.

Unvote

Vote: DragonsofSummer

[Parama]

@ r2r: unvotes are not required in this game, as I found out the hard way :/

[curiouskarmadog]

updating tomorrow ....

[ready2rock]

@Parama: OK, but I do want to get into the habit of doing so for future games with different mods.

[Fugitive]

@ r2r: unvotes are not required in this game, as I found out the hard way :/

They're still preferred. Read the rules nubcakes.

[Fugitive]

Also, my classes started an my laptop broke, posting this from my Mom's... so my posting is going to slow down. Not that I was overly active before...

[Nicodemus]

Fine lynch me. For anyone who might care to look back at it later, Parama is my 4th on that list. I am very tired of all the ridiculous scum tells that everyone is writing off to newbie play in this game, and I would rather be lynched to give people some perspective than replaced with someone else at this point.

If you're so intent on being the lynch for today, why not claim? I am personally against your lynch (I feel like there are much better lynchee's as far as "active lurking" and "non-contribution" go) but if you really want to help us out before we lynch you, claim your role and give us some of your picks for scum.

[TheLonging]

Mod: Due to serious stuff happening now, I will bw V/LA for a period of 2-7 days. I will be back, no need to replace me.

[Bogre]

If you're so intent on being the lynch for today, why not claim? I am personally against your lynch (I feel like there are much better lynchee's as far as "active lurking" and "non-contribution" go) but if you really want to help us out before we lynch you, claim your role and give us some of your picks for scum.

He's got like 4 votes, and you're asking him to claim?

And you don't advocate his lynch, but you want help before 'we' lynch you. I feel a townie not sold on a lynch of him wouldn't already be thinking of lynching him, or resigned to lynching him, like you seem to be.

[Nicodemus]

If you're so intent on being the lynch for today, why not claim? I am personally against your lynch (I feel like there are much better lynchee's as far as "active lurking" and "non-contribution" go) but if you really want to help us out before we lynch you, claim your role and give us some of your picks for scum.

He's got like 4 votes, and you're asking him to claim?

And you don't advocate his lynch, but you want help before 'we' lynch you. I feel a townie not sold on a lynch of him wouldn't already be thinking of lynching him, or resigned to lynching him, like you seem to be.

I'm only resigned to lynching him because he's resigned to getting lynched. His exact words were "Fine, lynch me." I was just pointing out that if he is so willing to be lynched, the least he could do would be claim and give us his top suspects before he died. And no, I don't want to lynch him, but when someone actively calls for their own lynch I don't see a whole lot that's going to stop it.

[Bogre]

If he's resigned to lynching and will die anyways, we'll get his role on the flip. Effectively, you are kind of suggesting he claim without being open to the possibility that he redeems himself, which makes the claim useless in the first place.

[curiouskarmadog]

Updating from post 866,

Just a side note, diddin and CCARaven are on everyone's list so far.

what do you gather from that? that they are scummy or easy? What was the point of this post?

I still think soras is scummier, and a diddin lynch we would learn nothing from.

NOTING THIS COMMENT. this comment alone, might shed light on things.

Post 874, jesus Christ that is a ISO/case…so long he forgot he voted for DoS at the beginning of it. He has got some points in it, though.

Stuff.

Wow... just wow. Thanks for bringing all of that to our attention, Parama. It's great you were actually able to dig out someone who is almost certainly scum, based on an ISO read.

Question: What made you build a case against DoS as opposed to any other players?

The only thing I find wrong with your case is the fact that you have already stated everything suspicious about his posts, so when/if people vote for him, they will be almost inable to provide independant reasoning and thus will be considered to be bandwagoning.

Nevertheless, I find DoS to be scum after Parama's ISO read. The evidence is all there. After the case made against him I think DoS could be a better lynch than sora, perhaps even diddin.

Therefore,

vote: DragonsofSummer

I dont think there is anything about this post or vote I like.

Fine lynch me. For anyone who might care to look back at it later, Parama is my 4th on that list. I am very tired of all the ridiculous scum tells that everyone is writing off to newbie play in this game, and I would rather be lynched to give people some perspective than replaced with someone else at this point.

thats it? Explain why this is a pro-town statement or stance?

Also, think this should be noted, I have not been in a game where DoS has finished (correct me if I am wrong)…I think he has replaced out of 2 maybe 3 games he signed up for…I was even in a game he abandoned….point, this lack of not caring, is a null tell. DoS, if you don’t give a shit, why not replace out, if I recall, you are pretty good at that. If you are town, you are hurting us.

+_+_+_+

I think a diddin or an R2R lynch is so much better……

[curiouskarmadog]

bold edit

Also, think this should be noted, I have not been in a game where DoS has finished (correct me if I am wrong)…I think he has replaced out of 2 maybe 3 games he signed up for

that I have been in with him

…I was even in a game he abandoned….point, this lack of not caring, is a null tell. DoS, if you don’t give a shit, why not replace out, if I recall, you are pretty good at that. If you are town, you are hurting us.

+_+_+_+

I think a diddin or an R2R lynch is so much better……

[CryMeARiver]

In other words, noobclaim. Research a role before you claim it.

*headdesk/facepalm*

For your information, I actually did research the JoaT after the varying alignment thing was brought up, and I only found him in the "Protagonistic" section.

I for one am sick and tired of people saying I'm noobclaiming when I'm not.

You really had no reason to research it...the pm you received should say which side you are on as well as what night actions you have...research of a role should only have to be done if you are faking a claim truly...

[RichardGHP]

In other words, noobclaim. Research a role before you claim it.

*headdesk/facepalm*

For your information, I actually did research the JoaT after the varying alignment thing was brought up, and I only found him in the "Protagonistic" section.

I for one am sick and tired of people saying I'm noobclaiming when I'm not.

You really had no reason to research it...the pm you received should say which side you are on as well as what night actions you have...research of a role should only have to be done if you are faking a claim truly...

*Even more headdesk*

I researched it to find out if it could be mafia-aligned or not, I found that his only possible alignment was pro-town, as of when that list was created.

Of course I know which side I'm on; that wasn't the basis of my researching the character.

[Nicodemus]

OK, fuck it, I want this game to MOVE

Vote: diddin

Parama, Richard, TL, soras, DoS, pman, Bogre, r2r, Dizzy, Konowa, Pie, Annachie, Navy, CCARaven, CMAR, and yes, even diddin, you're all invited to hop aboard ASAP. Come one, come all, let's lynch the scum and move forward with this damn game!

[RichardGHP]

OK, fuck it, I want this game to MOVE

Vote: diddin

Parama, Richard, TL, soras, DoS, pman, Bogre, r2r, Dizzy, Konowa, Pie, Annachie, Navy, CCARaven, CMAR, and yes, even diddin, you're all invited to hop aboard ASAP. Come one, come all, let's lynch the scum and move forward with this damn game!

Well, since I'm invited, I might as well climb on for the ride!

unvote vote: diddin

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unvote

. Before I consider voting for him, mind explaining, in your own words, WHY diddin is scum?

[Nicodemus]

1.sorasgoof: generally just makes scummy statements and tries to noobclaim and

bus Richard.

Tends to play more aggressively against who he thinks is scum

2. RichardGHP: Bad voting habits, noobclaiming, and somehow thinking saying inb4 before someone calls him on something makes it a moot point.

The only reason he's on here is his Jack claim could potentially be a lie and if soras flips town, he's likely mafia.

I'd definitely keep him alive until we can hear how uses his supposed night actions.

See, this doesn't work both ways. Why is soras obvscum for bussing Richard, but Richard is only mafia if he is lying about being a Jack or if soras is town? If soras and Richard are bussing each other, then they are both mafia. I don't like your contradictory reasoning here.

@Dizzy: I feel as if I've been able to defend my points better on my recent votes for soras and Richard than my vote for TL. I actually think soras is scum and have defended my reasoning on my vote for him on a few occasions.

This is terrible. Not only did you completely miss the point of the question, your response is that you didn't have much evidence for TL, but you've sure nailed soras and Richard! So basically you didn't believe in the TL lynch at all, but since voting for him was the cool thing to do you jumped right on. Yeah, that's exactly the opposite of a good explanation for your bandwagoning.

Also, you "actually" think soras is scum? Well good for you! Too bad about Richard and TL, who you apparently didn't think were scum but were voting to lynch anyway. If you didn't "actually" think Richard or TL were scum, then why did you vote for them exactly? Because you were bandwaggoning any likely mislynch? Seems plausible.

And Bogre is being quite unhypocritical with his suggestion of bandwagons for bandwagoners, and is actually being rather smart. Why should we let bandwagoners get away with voting for the lynch-ee of the moment? Short answer: we shouldn't.

I still like soras for the lynch, but I'm definitely going to

FoS: diddin

Basically what I said, in my own words, here. diddin has been playing very scummily from the start of this game, bandwaggoning frequently, offering little-to-no original thought on anything, posting bad cases and inadequate defenses, and generally playing a game which favors scum more than town. I'm tired of this day, I'm tired of the endless speculation (be it night actions, power roles, etc.) and I'm ready to lynch the scummiest person and move on to D2. I have all the information that I'm going to get out of today, and frankly I'm not going to change my opinions much until I get some more concrete evidence. diddin is my vote, and he will be my vote until the end of the day barring a straight-up confession from another mafia member.

So, Richard, that's why I'm voting diddin

in my own words.

[RichardGHP]

Fair enough.

Vote: diddin

Nico, I like how you brought up the fact that this speculation - night-actions or otherwise - is getting us nowhere, and I agree with you on that point. It's hard to not do, but it's still not helping.

I also agree with the fact that diddin makes poor cases, and votes without reason on occasion. I don't even recall a defense after those votes were put on him the first time. That says that he's either scum trying not to slip or just can't be bothered. Either way, his play is anti-town.

[DragonsofSummer]

@cks: Its not a lack of caring, its a lack of experience in this game. Any defense I put against Parama will just be scoffed at by those calling me scum because they are either 1. new, or 2. pretending to be new. I'd also like to point out that the only people except for r2r to agree with Parama are the people I have been calling scum for pages now. I feel very confident in my list, and I got fed up with the stupidity. Its all it is, I don't want to replace out, and I am still perfectly willing to fight.

All I have to say in regard to Parama is I really don't like the tunneling he has done on me all game, not just because it is on me, but because it is anti-town in general (I do not find tunneling to be a pro town action in any normal circumstance). And his case against me is I have been active lurking, which was based off of a read of me in iso. Not a very good way to judge active lurking, and an easy way to make it look like you are doing something. Thats why he is 4th on my scum list, not the omgus he claims.

[DragonsofSummer]

EBWOP: That should say a lack of experienced players in this game.

[Flareonage]

Could you repost who you have been calling scum for pages now?

[Tarballs]

DedicatedScribe replaces Annachie.