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Great. I go from semi-confirmed innocent, to blatant scum wifom target. Thanks!
Before we speedlynch Socrates, lets stop and think about the situation. Socrates is very likely not the scum vig, as he as essentially spontaneously combusted, which isn't something scum would do to their vig. We know scum (almost certainly) have vig and the cop, and I seriously doubt scum would have got either of those roles without picking one of them first. So, the most logical answer is Socrates is the scum cop, and they managed to pick up vig lower down the order.
Although, that seems like bizarre scum-play. Why would you not take vig when you have number 1 choice? One explaination is that Fate is vig, meaning scum got top two spots. But I already think that situation is unlikely based on Fate's wagon. So, if Fate is scum, he should be the vig (but that probably isn't true) - which makes him strongly town.
Jack, StrangerCoug, Fifi and wolf are the logical choices to for the scum vig, and I'm wondering if it's worthwhile having a massclaim now to try and flush the vig out. We might get lucky with role information contradictions and figure the vig out, because I'm not so sure lynching Socrates now is a good idea. It just seems so planned that I'm becoming more and more worried about a scum governor stopping a potential scum vig lynch.-
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Ok, I am going to be completely straight with you guys.
I'm not actually the cop. I am the bomb.
I looked at the wagon's building on me yesterday, and combined with my certainty that Pomegranate was scum, I decided I would try for a gambit.
I would fakeclaim cop with a guilty on Pomegranate.
The plan was to catch a scum pomegranate and get the mafia to NK me that night, killing two scumbags at once.
But alas, it was not to be.
So ya, don't lynch me.
Faraday is scum that knows I'm another mislynch and is scared to commit, btw.-
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While the theory Socrates just posted makes some sense, I would have faked a different PR, probably doctor. Maybe empowerer if I figured there was a Mafia RB running around.
So yeah. I don't know how to take it, but there were better ways of gambiting than that.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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^^^ You're a secretly insane bomb socrates?Socrates wrote:I WAS FRAMED!
I'M INNOCENT I TELL YOU!
The mafia must have a framer and set me up!
Ohwait.
The mafia must have a bus driver and redirected my investigation!
Er...
I must secretly have been insane! Yea, thats it! Hoopla is scum!
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I'm scum blah blah blah my gambit failed here's another gambit blah don't kill me.Socrates wrote:Ok, I am going to be completely straight with you guys.
I'm not actually the cop. I am the bomb.
I looked at the wagon's building on me yesterday, and combined with my certainty that Pomegranate was scum, I decided I would try for a gambit.
I would fakeclaim cop with a guilty on Pomegranate.
The plan was to catch a scum pomegranate and get the mafia to NK me that night, killing two scumbags at once.
But alas, it was not to be.
So ya, don't lynch me.
Faraday is scum that knows I'm another mislynch and is scared to commit, btw.Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
"Fate you keep alternating between narratives of doing it for fun and doing it for the sake of winning"-
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The bolded is a very good point, but even if that's true there's nothing we can do as a scum governor can stop a lynch on anyone can't they?Hoopla wrote:Great. I go from semi-confirmed innocent, to blatant scum wifom target. Thanks!
Before we speedlynch Socrates, lets stop and think about the situation. Socrates is very likely not the scum vig, as he as essentially spontaneously combusted, which isn't something scum would do to their vig. We know scum (almost certainly) have vig and the cop, and I seriously doubt scum would have got either of those roles without picking one of them first. So, the most logical answer is Socrates is the scum cop, and they managed to pick up vig lower down the order.
Although, that seems like bizarre scum-play. Why would you not take vig when you have number 1 choice? One explaination is that Fate is vig, meaning scum got top two spots. But I already think that situation is unlikely based on Fate's wagon. So, if Fate is scum, he should be the vig (but that probably isn't true) - which makes him strongly town.
Jack, StrangerCoug, Fifi and wolf are the logical choices to for the scum vig, and I'm wondering if it's worthwhile having a massclaim now to try and flush the vig out. We might get lucky with role information contradictions and figure the vig out, because I'm not so sure lynching Socrates now is a good idea.It just seems so planned that I'm becoming more and more worried about a scum governor stopping a potential scum vig lynch.
If socrates isn't the vig, though we could be in trouble. (I'm definitely assuming the vig is scum, killing every night and redcyote is a bad target I think, the other's look somewhat plausible I guess, but ehh, the vig would/should have claimed by now if town.)are you thinking of me when you're with somebody else?-
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If the mafia have governor, then they get another two free kills tonight. And then even if we lynch the vig they win. Soc seems pretty carefree anyway.Hoopla wrote:Socrates is very likely not the scum vig, as he as essentially spontaneously combusted, which isn't something scum would do to their vig.
Quicklynching would help more than hurt I think, although a lot of time has passed now.-
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Read the post Faraday quoted. If Socrates had replaced that post with a, "ok seriously this is what I did" I would've bought it.StrangerCoug wrote:While the theory Socrates just posted makes some sense, I would have faked a different PR, probably doctor. Maybe empowerer if I figured there was a Mafia RB running around.
So yeah. I don't know how to take it, but there were better ways of gambiting than that.
Or if had chosen someone scummier than inactive Pom... Now I regret not letting her speak =XFate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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No, it really doesn't make sense, and he's obviously joking around.StrangerCoug wrote:While the theory Socrates just posted makes some sense, I would have faked a different PR, probably doctor. Maybe empowerer if I figured there was a Mafia RB running around.
So yeah. I don't know how to take it, but there were better ways of gambiting than that.
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This sounds like a scumbuddy trying to pretend he isn't sure soc is scum.-
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Lol in fairness Pom was pretty scummy, which was why it sounded plausible.Fate wrote:
Read the post Faraday quoted. If Socrates had replaced that post with a, "ok seriously this is what I did" I would've bought it.StrangerCoug wrote:While the theory Socrates just posted makes some sense, I would have faked a different PR, probably doctor. Maybe empowerer if I figured there was a Mafia RB running around.
So yeah. I don't know how to take it, but there were better ways of gambiting than that.
Or if had chosen someone scummier than inactive Pom... Now I regret not letting her speak =X
And yeah, he's obv fucking around at this stage, but whatever.are you thinking of me when you're with somebody else?-
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Nonono Fate. Let me fix that for you:
There. Now its accurate.Fate wrote:I'mscumtown blah blah blah my gambit failed here's another gambit blah don't kill me.
I was fishing to see who would jump on my wagon like a ravenous tiger (townies) and who would hesitate and try to play cautious kittens (scumbags).Faraday wrote:
^^^ You're a secretly insane bomb socrates?Socrates wrote:I WAS FRAMED!
I'M INNOCENT I TELL YOU!
The mafia must have a framer and set me up!
Ohwait.
The mafia must have a bus driver and redirected my investigation!
Er...
I must secretly have been insane! Yea, thats it! Hoopla is scum!
vote: Hoopla
Anyone who was town should have instantly voted me the second they checked the thread 'cause a quicklynch would have helped the town (if I was actually scum).-
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Socrates wrote:
I was fishing to see who would jump on my wagon like a ravenous tiger (townies) and who would hesitate and try to play cautious kittens (scumbags).
Anyone who was town should have instantly voted me the second they checked the thread 'cause a quicklynch would have helped the town (if I was actually scum).A+are you thinking of me when you're with somebody else?-
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Hmmmm... there's no real way to counter this unless the governor isn't on often, and we can quicklynch someone else instead and the power is wasted (Or is it only used up if it actually stops the lynch?)Hoopla wrote:Great. I go from semi-confirmed innocent, to blatant scum wifom target. Thanks!
Before we speedlynch Socrates, lets stop and think about the situation. Socrates is very likely not the scum vig, as he as essentially spontaneously combusted, which isn't something scum would do to their vig. We know scum (almost certainly) have vig and the cop, and I seriously doubt scum would have got either of those roles without picking one of them first. So, the most logical answer is Socrates is the scum cop, and they managed to pick up vig lower down the order.
Although, that seems like bizarre scum-play. Why would you not take vig when you have number 1 choice? One explaination is that Fate is vig, meaning scum got top two spots. But I already think that situation is unlikely based on Fate's wagon. So, if Fate is scum, he should be the vig (but that probably isn't true) - which makes him strongly town.
Jack, StrangerCoug, Fifi and wolf are the logical choices to for the scum vig, and I'm wondering if it's worthwhile having a massclaim now to try and flush the vig out. We might get lucky with role information contradictions and figure the vig out, because I'm not so sure lynching Socrates now is a good idea. It just seems so planned that I'm becoming more and more worried about a scum governor stopping a potential scum vig lynch.
I think Socrates is indeed vig. He just needed an extra night, that's why he claimed cop to give him one. Now this means the real cop wasn't here in time to counter, or the scum have cop too...Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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Or there's no cop?Fate wrote:
Hmmmm... there's no real way to counter this unless the governor isn't on often, and we can quicklynch someone else instead and the power is wasted (Or is it only used up if it actually stops the lynch?)Hoopla wrote:Great. I go from semi-confirmed innocent, to blatant scum wifom target. Thanks!
Before we speedlynch Socrates, lets stop and think about the situation. Socrates is very likely not the scum vig, as he as essentially spontaneously combusted, which isn't something scum would do to their vig. We know scum (almost certainly) have vig and the cop, and I seriously doubt scum would have got either of those roles without picking one of them first. So, the most logical answer is Socrates is the scum cop, and they managed to pick up vig lower down the order.
Although, that seems like bizarre scum-play. Why would you not take vig when you have number 1 choice? One explaination is that Fate is vig, meaning scum got top two spots. But I already think that situation is unlikely based on Fate's wagon. So, if Fate is scum, he should be the vig (but that probably isn't true) - which makes him strongly town.
Jack, StrangerCoug, Fifi and wolf are the logical choices to for the scum vig, and I'm wondering if it's worthwhile having a massclaim now to try and flush the vig out. We might get lucky with role information contradictions and figure the vig out, because I'm not so sure lynching Socrates now is a good idea. It just seems so planned that I'm becoming more and more worried about a scum governor stopping a potential scum vig lynch.
I think Socrates is indeed vig. He just needed an extra night, that's why he claimed cop to give him one. Now this means the real cop wasn't here in time to counter, or the scum have cop too...
I don't think a mass claim is a bad idea at all really, there's definitely no downside to it. The vig is the biggest worry atm. I think he needs to be found and lynched ASAP (basically tomorrow is as soon as possible). I'd certainly not object to it anyway. So I'm pro mass claim.are you thinking of me when you're with somebody else?-
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The only way Socrates is vig is if you're the scum governor or scum cop, Fate. There's no way scum would have picked up copandgovernor at 7th or lower in the draft. Why would scum waste a mid-range draft pick trying for cop, when there are plenty of other great scum-roles out there (see; rolecop, roleblocker, empowerer etc.)
The only way this gambit works is if scum have all three roles (cop, vig, governor). They're probably not going to get these roles without a 1/2 draft combination. Socrates is probably the cop.
There is no way scum would have done this fake-guilty ploy if they didn't have the cop.-
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I'm anti-mass claim.
Let's say Jack, SC, of fifi is scum vig.
They have all sorts of outs: "I claim vanila going for tracker. I claim vanilla going for bomb (makes me believe Socrates) I claim vanilla going for watcher."
And so on. Massclaim only helps scum pick their targets at this point, imo.Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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Do you really want the scum to know that you're a town bomb?Jack wrote:
No, it really doesn't make sense, and he's obviously joking around.StrangerCoug wrote:While the theory Socrates just posted makes some sense, I would have faked a different PR, probably doctor. Maybe empowerer if I figured there was a Mafia RB running around.
So yeah. I don't know how to take it, but there were better ways of gambiting than that.
fos:StrangerCoug
This sounds like a scumbuddy trying to pretend he isn't sure soc is scum.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Regardless, Socrates is scum, and massclaiming now won't help us find the Vig. Lynch Socrates, pressure the likely vigs tommorow.Hoopla wrote:The only way Socrates is vig is if you're the scum governor or scum cop, Fate. There's no way scum would have picked up copandgovernor at 7th or lower in the draft. Why would scum waste a mid-range draft pick trying for cop, when there are plenty of other great scum-roles out there (see; rolecop, roleblocker, empowerer etc.)
The only way this gambit works is if scum have all three roles (cop, vig, governor). They're probably not going to get these roles without a 1/2 draft combination. Socrates is probably the cop.
There is no way scum would have done this fake-guilty ploy if they didn't have the cop.Fate is absurdly beautiful. 運命に弄ばれる
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On the other hand if 1 or 2 of them have actual roles it narrows down the list dramatically and narrows the vig. I see your point but I think it'd be more helpful than you might think.Fate wrote:I'm anti-mass claim.
Let's say Jack, SC, of fifi is scum vig.
They have all sorts of outs: "I claim vanila going for tracker. I claim vanilla going for bomb (makes me believe Socrates) I claim vanilla going for watcher."
And so on. Massclaim only helps scum pick their targets at this point, imo.are you thinking of me when you're with somebody else?-
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Is this such an obscure role that I have to put it in big red letters? If the scum knows you're a bomb, they'll likely get around it by not NK'ing you. It is also very possible that they'll try to get you mislynched so they can take out two townies in one day. Socrates fakeclaiming to try to draw the NK makes sense except for the role faked.Faraday wrote:
Wut.StrangerCoug wrote:
Do you really want the scum to know that you're a town bomb?STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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