Thats easy enough to deal with.
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I DO, if this was viable, need to go through and look at all the powers and what ones could alter this plan.
Of course, if this was the direction a massclaim would ALSO happen today.
I understand where you're coming from, but I'm saying that you following up on hero's attack that I'm "lying" is bullshit. There was nothing about it that was a lie when I originally made it. It is possible that he gave me the ability (which I guess would have been Destiny's Bond, not Summon), but even if he did I never freaking lied about it because there is only one way it could have resolved, and that is the way I described. As I stated before, there was absolutely no benefit to the town in twilight to me claiming an extra ability beyond my double vote, but just because I was intentionally cryptic does not mean it was a lie or even scummy. The purpose was to keep me alive so I could pass on an additional and potentially powerful abililty to the town. Now that I have served my purpose, I'm fine with dying. It means nothing to me because I have succeeded in increasing the town's chances of winning.gamma wrote:If you were in my position, wouldn't you be a little frustrated right now?
Next to none. I seem to recall that we were in a game together once, but that's about it.VP Baltar wrote:Eh, perhaps, but Porkens always shoots from the hip. How much experience do you have with him?
Getting lucky once doesn't make it a good idea to multi-purge again. Plus, I just think it's more fun to play the game using the abilities that we have rather than just trying to break the game or turning it into a matter of statistical bits and bytes. Maybe it's just me.VP Baltar wrote:Yes, but we're not.
I know that's what you've said, but as I've said, the timing doesn't make sense.VP Baltar wrote:Like I said, I think it was a good shot from Sotty.
The fact that she was posting then. As previously mentioned, when she put the 4th vote on MO, that put MO into a tie with Rhinox, so she was obviously aware of that, and had every reason to believe that MO would be purged, thus it seems it would have been a waste of her Gepenst ability.VP Baltar wrote:What makes you think Sotty was even online at that time?
I don't know why you are guessing this, though, and looking at the timing of her votes, that doesn't really make sense. If she had previously sent in MO as a target for her Gepenst ability, it makes no sense for her to have moved her vote to MO at the last minute like she did, since she would have known that MO would die anyway, and she could have left her vote where it was, knowing that both her vote and her ability would count.VP Baltar wrote:My guess is that she sent it earlier before the chaos. It resolves at the end of the Incantation phase, so unless she changed it at the last minute, MO was boned for quite some time.
That's the thing I'm most worried about; I'm not sure that it's the only thing to be worried about.VP Baltar wrote:The only thing we would need to be worried about is an SK.
I have to look at the opening posts again in order to analyze this part of your post, so I will come back to it later.VP Baltar wrote:<snipped...>
Nah, I don't actually get any more bad luck than I do good luck; if luck exists, I think it all balances out overall.Jahudo wrote:Jazzy gets alot of bad luck. Did you by chance break any mirrors or cross any black cat paths?
You're right that I didn't see the logic in it, because nobody pointed it out or explained how it was 'logical'.Jahudo wrote:And I think she's either ignoring or not seeing the logic behind purging SC and Sotty the same day.
I think I made it quite clear on Day 1 that I would not be on board for purging any of Sotty, you or Herod, and that I would not be on board with purging more than 2 players, so it's not something that I've newly come up with to "help myself".Jahudo wrote:Since Jazz was the only one not on board with the idea (b/c she was afk), it looks like she's trying to only help herself by opposing the plan now.
I would certainly understand that if it was the case, but I didn't read that insane time as everyone being torn between purging Sotty or SC. It looked more like last minute horsetrading, with scum having a big fat hand in it. Granted, I wasn't able to be there when it was going on live, so it's entirely possible that I missed something in the translation, but if you could point out what you mean when you say that everyone was torn between those two, I'll gladly look at it again.Jahudo wrote:@Jazzmyn: Everybody was torn between purging Sotty or SC. So if we only purged one and they flipped town, at least half the town would really want to purge the other one next time. Even if one flipped scum, that didn't exclude the other from being third party scum and some people may still see their actions as scummy independent from the pressure SC gave Sotty.
VP Baltar wrote:You guys are lunatics. SC/Rhinox.
Nachomamma8 wrote:I'd prefer SC/Rhinox
Wanted to purge Sotty:Porkens wrote:SC and MO for scumteam 2010, but that's beside the issue.
Mighty Orbots wrote:I don't think that SerialClergyman is a good option at this time.
I can live with Rhinox and Sotty7.
Jahudo wrote:I will support a Rhinox/Sotty purge.
Gammagooey wrote:I support Rhino/Sotty for the lynchings.
Jazzmyn and Nacho, can you try to double vote?SpyreX wrote:Yea, lets make Sotty / Rhinox happen.
Well, that doesn't really accurately reflect what occurred, nor does what occurred support your prior assertion that "everyone was torn between purging Sotty or SC" since people were all over the map with wanting to purge players other than Sotty or SC (for instance, you started out saying you wanted to purge MO and SC, later suggested Rhinox/Sotty/MO, later Sotty/SC, etc., while others were suggesting Rhinox, gamma, Herod, etc.), but I don't see that anything really turns on that. But thanks for your summary.Jahudo wrote:@Jazzmyn, here's the cliff notes for team SC vs. team Sotty.
I don't have a double vote ability, so this won't mean anything but here you go:Jahudo wrote:Jazzmyn and Nacho, can you try to double vote?
Actually, earlier you said that you thought Sotty had used her Gepenst ability long before the end of the Incantation and that is what I said didn't make sense in light of the timing of her voting. Because itVP Baltar wrote:That's what I think, but Jazz doesn't believe it apparently.
The only reason I could think of is that he would hide it to prevent himself from looking too powerful: Both of the other two mafia have 3 active abilities, with only one townie having that many. With the abilities VP has he seems to be around the power level of Sotty if the Summon was given as a balancing mechanism by Vi, and Sotty was stated to be one of the most experienced townies.Jahudo wrote:@Gamma: what scum motivation would VP have from hiding his Summon ability?
The ability doesn't benefit him, and I don't think he was consciously trying to out whoever gave him the power. More like he was trying to make himself less appealing to scum NKs.
Myself obv. Why do you think I put myself on the to be purged list today? Am I bending your mind yet?gamma wrote:VP, since you're suprised nobody's mentioned it, I might as well ask. If you were a lyncher, who would your last target be?
Except, of course, that IVP Baltar wrote:I agree with gamma that Jazz shooting down the multi-purge while providing no alternative plan is shady at best.
Rhinox called out Nacho for supporting a wagon that MO also supported. It actually looks like he's trying to distance from MO with this post, so its possible he could try to distance Nacho. But he'd also be trying to derail his buddies mislynch attempt, which seems odd since Rhinox made little attempt to support a viable wagon. Unless zoraster wouldn't have been a mislynch.Rhinox wrote:@Nacho: I'm displeased with your entrance to the game. No thoughts on other players besides Zor? Is MO your scum partner?