The Sopranos: A Deadly Game (GAME OVER!)

[SSF352]

Night 1- Job 2- Profit that night, 20,490- Total Profit 20,490
Night 2- Job 3 -Profit that night, 22,250- Total Profit 42,740
Night 3* NJ -Profit that night, 4,630- Total Profit 47,370
Night 4- Job 3- Profit that night, 24,330 Total Profit 71,700
Night 5- Job 2- Profit that night, 22,940 Total Profit 94,640
Night 6- Job 1- Profit that night, 14,880 Total Profit 109,520
Night 7- Job 3- Profit that night, 29,020 Total Profit 138,540

Night 3 was my casino gamble, and Night 6 was when I got attacked.

Locke: The 29,000 dollar night last night was the highest I've had yet. From what I can tell, job money is divided amongst those who complete it, so the number of people taking a job will affect the payouts. Gorrad's first job must have been much more lucrative because less players chose it as far as I can tell.

Also, keep in mind that at the beginnng, there was much more of a random element to the job picking. There's almost no way the amount of players picking jobs was distributed evenly. Given that, its pretty much has to be that almost no one else took the same job Kairyuu did. This would explain why he had a huge upshoot after night 1 and then a much smaller money increase after night 2 while he did jobs on both nights(I am working under the assumption Kairyuu isnt lying).

A final point, while capos may get money kicked up to them, surely the capos are kicking some of their money up to Tony Soprano, no? We all pay money to our superiors, not just capos.

So, Locke, that is why even with what you've given, its possible for me to take a job and not make more money than Kairyuu, especially given it was Night 1, where the most possiblity for a huge upswing for one player existed.

[Dr. Melfi]

Vote Count #24:

zwetschenwasser - 1 (SSF352)
MafiaSSK - 1 (Kairyuu)
SSF352 - 1 (Locke Lamora)

Also, given my upcoming schedule, I'm going to give you a 2-day extension. The new deadline for Day 8 is

Tuesday, March 2nd, at 5:00 PM CST

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[al_kohaulec]

Al: I thought you replaced Kise? He wasn't modkilled until D7.

Hmm.. that's right, still sounds odd that I made so much more, since there's nobody to "kick up" money to me. And N5 and 6 are still widely varied... Either way, I'm interested in seeing after the game how the distribution of money was dealt out.

[Locke Lamora]

SSF: I don't see why the players would be distributed evenly now. What's to stop all the remaining players choosing the same job? With far fewer players left in the game, isn't it likely that one player could easily make a large profit by being the only player to take a particular job?

Al: tyou may just have taken Kise's position in the hierarchy. It doesn't say anywhere that players only kick money up to their capos, plus Kise was probably getting a higher base salary than you before.

[al_kohaulec]

Even that doesn't make sense, cause I am Tony's left hand man, basically. So any step, except for replacing Tony,

should

be a step down.

[SSF352]

Locke: I didn't say it would be distributed evenly now, but even in the event that one player didnt take a job alone, the amount of profit they would make more than other players would still be less, because the job with several players would still be divided into larger shares than earlier in the game. A job profit divided up 5-6 ways will be much more than a job divided up 10-11 ways.

Also, since Zwet is getting replaced,

unvote Zwet

[Knight of Cydonia]

al - maybe you get capo money + Tony's left hand man money now?

[Locke Lamora]

It bothers me that we've not heard anything out of SSK and Zwet on this issue. It also bothers me that nobody actually seems keen to lynch anyone. Maybe the scum also don't care who wins this game. Either SSF put a lot of work into his job explanation or he's telling the truth about taking one every night except 3. I'm still wary of that money theft mechanic and that could cover up a kill, I guess. From the money we've seen so far I'm inclined to believe that Kai and Raj did jobs too, and Raj must have been taking them the last few nights or he'd never have overtaken KoC. K7's ability seems to be legit regardless of his alignment, so people who were likely to be able to make the kills over the last few nights looks like this:

Al
SSK
Zwet
KoC

Favourites?

[rajrhcpfreak]

i think Locke hit it right on the money. be we cant have a favorite with out SSK and Zwet chiming in.

i also forgot about KoC

[SSF352]

I like a possible Zwet lynch, but figure we should let the replacement get a chance to defend themselves. Then again, we know from the mod post SSK has picked up his night resolution PM, but hasnt posted yet. So Zwet and SSK would be my favorites at the moment, barring any response from SSK or Zwet/his replacement. Also, there is the chance that Zwet is a survivor rather than scum, and lynching a survivor doesnt really help the town at this point.

I have to go with a

Vote: MafiaSSK

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[al_kohaulec]

Locke's analysis sounds pretty good. I am also against lynching Zwet for the reason of him being replaced. You also bring up a good point, SSF. We still have a survivor out there, and Zwet would make good sense as the other survivor, and lynching a survivor right now is nearly as bad as lynching a townie.

Vote: MafiaSSK

I'm also going to read over KoC and his predecessors. I still feel like I know nothing about him with what little I've seen.

@KoC's last question: I don't know, and I don't think there's any benefit to speculating.

[al_kohaulec]

EBWOP: I realized I've been misreading SSF's earlier post. I though you voted Zwet because he was being replaced, not unvoted.

[Dr. Melfi]

farside22 replaces zwetschenwasser. Should have a replacement for MafiaSSK sometime this week, a few people said they'd get back to me about it.

[farside22]

confirm

I'm really busy on the weekends so I want have anything read wise till Monday. Sorry guys

[Locke Lamora]

Farside, when you get the chance, if you could find out what jobs Zwet's been taking that would be good.

SSK lynch seems like a reasonable way to go at this stage. The lying about K7's results could plausibly pass off as an SSK being lazy moment, but he has been on some very easy lynches. The only thing that makes me hesitant is that so many people have been apathetic in this game it's hard to distinguish SSK from the rest of them. If a replacement turns up in the near future, I'd like them to answer the same question as Farside.

[rajrhcpfreak]

ok this isnt good.
SSK needs to post.

vote: MafiaSSK

L-1 hopefully gets him to speak.

[Knight of Cydonia]

If SSK doesn't post, his replacement had better come up with a really bloody good explanation first post in or I am going to be peeved.

[Locke Lamora]

If deadline is tomorrow, getting a replacement in now is not going to do much good.

Also, tonight I think we should arrange some kind of verifiable job-taking if this game's still going. As far as I can make out, myself, SSF, Raj, Kai, farside and KoC all have no reason to do anything other than take jobs. I'm pretty sure SSK claimed townie but as he's going to go anyway I won't worry about him. If we pair up with two on each of the three jobs, then we're just left with Al and K7. If Al is telling the truth about his ability, he can get a shot at protecting someone (not myself or Farside) and potentially take out some scum. I'm not sure how useful K7's ability is at this stage - if he's scum it only takes one lie to get us to lose anyway, so I reckon we make him do a job with everyone else. If we set it up right we should be able to check if everyone's done what they say they've done and scum either have to forego a kill or explain why their earnings are too low.

[al_kohaulec]

I'll support this, Locke. This probably gives us our best shot at determining the last scum now.

I don't expect to be on again by deadline, but I'll check this before deadline for night. I'll protect tonight. We won't know what jobs we will have available, but let's assume it as such for the sake of coordinating jobs:

Highest Paying Job
Medium Paying Job
Lowest Paying Job

and try to split up taking jobs according to that. I think Locke is the best person to make suggestions as to who does what, but somebody will need to propose a plan before nightfall so we have it organized.

[Locke Lamora]

Here's what I'm thinking:

We can all verify what I make and I think anyone who tries to argue I'm scum is onto a loser anyway. We should be able to verify what Kai and KoC make too, as it's unlikely Kai will be overtaken and KoC appears to have the lowest base salary. We also know how much money SSF is on now so even if he does overtake Kai (and I think he's the most likely to), we'll still get the whole picture. I think from everything I've worked out so far, I have a pretty good idea of what everyone's base salary should be. From that, I think we should have the groupings thus:

KoC & Raj (lowest)
Locke & SSF (middle)
Kai, K7 & Farside (highest)

By splitting up myself, KoC and Kai, we have a useful benchmark by which to judge the other players. Once we know which jobs people are taking, we should know within a few thousand dollars how much they should be making. Even if the payout's only $20,000, it's going to make enough of a difference to everyone's salary that it'll be noticeable if they haven't taken a job. Putting KoC & Raj on the lowest earning job is probably the best idea as their salaries will show a large impact even from a $10,000 payout. If everyone has taken a job and there's still a death, Al's scum. If Al's not scum, the scum are idiots if they don't kill him because he's hardly got any targets left to choose from and barring K7, all the other PRs are gone. Of course, there might be a mechanic that obscures this but the way this game has gone, it's pretty difficult to get a lynch on scum any other way. Now that we're down to few enough players and only one claimed PR that does us any good, I think this is as good a time as any to try it.

Kai, I'd recommend you don't use your money ability tonight just so things are that bit clearer to see.

[rajrhcpfreak]

sounds like a good plan. ill confirm taking the lowest paying job.

[farside22]

I'm just going to start by reading players in ISO to catch up a bit faster so if I ask questions that happened just understand I'm trying to get through this the quickest way possible.
So far I have two I got through:

MafiaSSK (replacing AshMC1984) - mafia after saying Cj and zwet are scum together votes zwet (aug 24th) no reason given. hammers emp with no reason. votes alko with no reason. Why don't you ask the mod what jobs you too if your not sure? Laziness is the worse answer I have heard on a vague response.
Then decides to go back to Cj for some odd reason.
Question: Why did mafia not get lynched? What part of his claim made people say meh after?

killa seven -

i am herman rabkin each night i can target someone i want and see what job they choose and if they make any profit i will know how much. nights 3 and 4 mafiassk did not take a job

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Calls mafiassk out for lying.

zwets took job 3 last night, i didn't know ssk was still alive so i didn't target him.

Which last 3 nights as this? Can you please clarify the nights it was.

[farside22]

Farside, when you get the chance, if you could find out what jobs Zwet's been taking that would be good.

I would like k7 to clarify what nights he saw me taking a job before I answer this if you don't mind.
Thanks.

[Kairyuu]

@KoC: Got it. I'll take the highest paying job and will not take any profits.

[Kairyuu]

Er, that should be @Locke.

Also, I'm

V/LA until Friday

so if deadline hits in there then I'll be missing it.