Pick Your Power II - Looks like the wine is gone (SCUM WIN)

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Hai

Vote: Fefi

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Agree with Soc and Hoop.

unvote, vote: fate

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I don't get how the whole number thing applies

now

. Can someone explain it to me like I'm an idiot?

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We have a wagon on Fate.
I get that it's most likely that scum are on the single numbers, but that doesn't reduce the list by that much anyway.
I'm curious why you lied about your picks in the signup thread.

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I love the wagon on you. Fara put why best:

First 2 paragraphs are just there and to me look like an attempt to look town. I'm having a hard time explaining why but it just feels off. Stuff like 'Any scum want to claim and tell us' is something I think scum are more likely to say.

The thing with Socrates is just horrible. Trying to cast doubt on the higher draft picks for no reason is stupid this early. And it's funny considering he's next. So I guess if you don't die soon Fate we should lynch you too huh?

I also remember the game where you came out as a cop D2, saying "bah I hate being cop. Here's my investigation, see ya I'm dead tonight."

Wtf are you talking about. Either my memory is a fail or you're metaing is a fail.

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Hi fate, why did you cite fake meta?

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I'm going to treat the number thing like meta, i.e. it can help a case but behavior in thread is still numero uno.

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Hi fate, why did you cite fake meta?

Hey Elli, why is your memory so poor? Do I really have to go search for your

own

past games?

It's funny because I haven't been cop yet
It's even funnier because you're still stubborn enough to believe that you're right.

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All the posts with number strategies percentages and whatever are annoying the hell out of me.
I'll muck my way through it tomorrow and post something real tomorrow. It's my impression (and correct me if I'm wrong), that not too many people actually care about all the number/strategy/whatever stuff, so stop posting it and clogging the thread kthx.

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Fate's reaction and lack of claim actually looks good to me.
All the number and theory stuff is still going to be ignored.
I don't think Dram is scum. His earlier post about the scum comminication looked pretty honest.
Fefi's bullshit reasoning L-1'ing vote looks scummy as hell.

Vote: Fefi

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Porkens is funny.
I get more town than scum from his post.
Pom, what if there's a wagon on someone to L-1 by page 8 for mostly crap reasons?

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Jack and Porkens both look town to me.
Something feels off to me about farside, not sure what. All can ignore this for now, just putting it there.

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Does everyone know who my account was before my ban? This is my account after my ban is up. You should all know that bandwagons are pointless on me if you know what my origin is.

I dunno. Sabre? Do enlighten me...
Regardless, I think you're a fine wagon. Have to look at Pom again though.

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Vote bouncy

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There's way too many good lynches out there.

Pom-wanted me to claim
Dramonic-Noted earlier
FFFF-L-1 omgus (what the hell do you mean bandwagons are useless on you?)
bouncy.bouncy-doesn't want to contribute except BWing me

I think Pom is in the lead, but these should be looked at as well.

Is that it on Pom or is there more? (Yes, I still haven't looked back yet)
Happy with both fefi and dram, disagree about dram.

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EBWOP: Happt with both fefi and bouncy, disagree about dram

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Yeah I see. Read farside's wall last page.

Vote: Pom

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CKD

FeFi is scum, Fo Fum (Fo Sho is another way to say Fo Fum, or is it the other way around?)

vote: FeFiFoFum

3 posts, 10 pages, 0 content, 100 basis points of follow the town.

are you going to do anything apart from tell us you're not contributing.

I am doing something (it is not my fault you cant figure out what it is). Does my presence in this game make you nervous? Do you think i am scum?

I forget you are in the game constantly. That's kind of annoying, but I don't think you are scum.

As to your question earlier, I didn't point you out because I didn't notice you... at all. Like, seriously, your presence in this game is less than mine and I'm barely managing to get any posts out.

so why am I not getting a vote? what have I done that fefi hasnt (or has?)

A) You're full of awesome
B) I hate numbers and don't want to muck through all of it later.

I'll read all of Pom's stuff later.

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EBWOP: muck through all of it either*
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Nvm, Pom's post was shorter than it looked.
Why are you so sure that scum didn't coordinate?

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hmmmm
Devotrescum with Pom?

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Hoopla needs to be lynched. There is no way her flat out rejection of the objections to her analysis is anything other than deliberate.

I always thought stubborness was a towntell.

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Hey I'm changing my mind on Pom...a few days before deadline.
I have no idea why,
Farside and Coug both feel off now, and I also have no idea why.
Anyone else getting that feeling or am I just wierd and crazy?

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Not sure if you are crazy, you have mentioned something off about farside before, but you also mentioned bouncy and ffff, but haven't really mentioned them since.

Because it's always easy to remember the lurkers.

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I have no idea why,

And I have no time/interest in finding out why atm.
Maybe later.

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@Farside

Thats how Ray always plays -.-

^^^ Who is this person?

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If I ignore Hoopla, then my two strong scum reads become Socrates and Pomegranate. Socrates I have the better support for, but what I have on Pomegranate is basically hearsay, which is not grounds for me to want to jump on a wagon.

Unvote

in case I need to.

I dunt get this post.

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We have too many lurkers. We should lynch one of them today.
Looking at the first post:
bouncy
Fefi
The1
Pork
Tony

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TOWN:
Fate
Red
Jack
Pork
Doc
Dram
Hoop
Curious
Fara

LURKERS:
bouncy
Fefi
The1
Tony

PEOPLE LEFT:
Soc
Cobalt
Ray
Stranger
Wolf
Devo
Pom

1 of my townreads is probably wrong as usual. 1 of the lurkers are probably scum.
So 3 people in the last group.

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Vote: The1

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hahahaha
This is a good wagon guys.

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Pom and Fefi are both V/LA till monday.
I don't want to sit around twiddling our fingers until then.

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To be honest (ha curious!) I think bouncy's going to be modkilled sooner or later for overstepping the 10 day limit.

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This wagon is fail as hell. Thanks for making yourselves more obvscum, Porkens and Cobalt.

Let's not derail the wagon on their scumbuddy Pom...

Lol, is fate really the one who thinks also that this wagon is amazingly fail?

Umm, i know i haven't been that active, but if we are going for that, lets lynch elli, cobalt, etc... I believe its much more useful to town to lynch lurkers who come in and push wagons.

unvote [/]

Vote Cobalt[/]

^^^ Hey look! It's a lurker whos coming in and trying to push a wagon!

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Bouncy you were nommed for a scummy for replacing into a game day 1 before, admittedly near the end, but you certainly had a nice big post for the 15 or so pages of that game, how come you've given us nothing this game. Like nothing at all. 6/7 posts and they've all been worthless.

Yeah I am pretty much worthless D1. I've been reading but I've never seen scum lynched D1 so I don't post much unless something seems wrong (my Fate vote) or somebody makes a really good case. I could try to explain my usual posting strategy to you a little better but idk if that would do anything for anybody.

I made a "big" post on D1 of my newbie game because I was scum and I was setting up the bus that I eventually carried out through the remainder of the game. Most of the stuff I put in that post was bullshit that I passed off as scumhunting.

Oh hai there! The Fate wagon is a thing of the past, a The1fifi wagon is what's in fashion now.

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Jacks Lurking.
He's posting in his other 2 games on a regular basis.

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I'm moving Coug up to town and Jack down to everyone else on my list for now.

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Bouncy you were nommed for a scummy for replacing into a game day 1 before, admittedly near the end, but you certainly had a nice big post for the 15 or so pages of that game, how come you've given us nothing this game. Like nothing at all. 6/7 posts and they've all been worthless.

Yeah I am pretty much worthless D1. I've been reading but I've never seen scum lynched D1 so I don't post much unless something seems wrong (my Fate vote) or somebody makes a really good case. I could try to explain my usual posting strategy to you a little better but idk if that would do anything for anybody.

I made a "big" post on D1 of my newbie game because I was scum and I was setting up the bus that I eventually carried out through the remainder of the game. Most of the stuff I put in that post was bullshit that I passed off as scumhunting.

^^^ This absolutely terrible posts makes me think bouncy is town.

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aaaaaaaaaaargz.
I'm feeling The1 and bouncy as both town now...

Unvote The1

(Spyre...)
Need to rethink this.

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I'll think this out tomorrow. Don't feel like doing anything right now.

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[quote="Fate"]

Ellie what changed your minds?

Is it the fact that wagons formed on them, therefore scum are on those wagons?

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No it's not. I'm not an idiot.
Bouncy's post I quoted previously felt town. Fifi was just a null tell and his reaction felt fine.

Unvote, Vote Fefi

Insufficient Info on tony and one of the lurkers have to be scum.

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@Porkens : Lurk + wants a lynch + votes someone who is not even close to being lynched = not reads thread, doesn't give a f*** about this game. Well, you earned my vote on D2

*Pssst, that means Porkenstown*

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I missed where he pretended he was new.
Link please?

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That's L-1, by my count. Do we wait for a claim? (seems like no other wagon would have time to come to fruition, plus I'm not sure claims mean a whole lot.)

Someone should hammer.

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That is not a hammer. Please hammer.

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TOWN:
Fate
Red
Jack
Pork
Doc
Hoop
Curious
Fara
Coug

LURKERS:
bouncy
The1
Tony

PEOPLE LEFT:
Soc
Ray
Wolf
Devo
Pom

Going back, the above may change.

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Cobalt was the highest draft pick that wasn't at some point under pressure IIRC.
And I just realized I left farside out of PEOPLE LEFT.

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Vote: Soc

Fos: Ray, Pom, Wolf

I still get a weird feeling from farside's posts. Less so from Devo now.

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Actually:

Unvote Soc, Vote Pom

FoS: Soc

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I have a weird reason that has absolutely no reason to do with anything to do with this game that I can't say that I think Soc is town right now.

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http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 06#2108706
^^^ I somehow missed this post.

Unvote Pom, Vote Wolf

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Scumteam is Pom, Wolf, Ray, Lurker, One of my messed up town reads.

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Socrates is extremely likely town guys. Trust me.

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Socrates is extremely likely town guys. Trust me.

Um, don't do anything stupid...

I'm dead serious.

Can someone do me a wonderful favor and find out everyone that had at some point voted Soc yesterday? There's probably scum in there.

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Bouncy you were nommed for a scummy for replacing into a game day 1 before, admittedly near the end, but you certainly had a nice big post for the 15 or so pages of that game, how come you've given us nothing this game. Like nothing at all. 6/7 posts and they've all been worthless.

Yeah I am pretty much worthless D1. I've been reading but I've never seen scum lynched D1 so I don't post much unless something seems wrong (my Fate vote) or somebody makes a really good case. I could try to explain my usual posting strategy to you a little better but idk if that would do anything for anybody.

I made a "big" post on D1 of my newbie game because I was scum and I was setting up the bus that I eventually carried out through the remainder of the game. Most of the stuff I put in that post was bullshit that I passed off as scumhunting.

^^^ Bouncytown made this post.

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Nevermind me, I'm full of shit. I just realized I screwed something up. >.<
Socrates is still no longer amazingly confirmed town until further notice. Carry on.

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posting in all games, busy work schedule....hoping to updates all games in 48 hours..


side note in this game....how the fuck are we in Day 2 now?.....

^^^ Yep, he's town.

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For the nth time, I don't see bouncy scum making this post:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 79#2108179

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For the nth time, I don't see bouncy scum making this post:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 79#2108179

Which of his town games are you getting this meta from? Does he have more than one?

Why is it alignment telling, rather than a player just being behind and taking the easy way out?

No meta. Just that type of post in general. I get the feeling it much more likely comes from town than scum. I may be wrong though.

Regardless, he needs to post content. That post just gives me a pretty high town gut read.

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Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 10

Bouncy.Bouncy

- 5 - Fate, wolframnhart, Devotress, RedCoyote, The1fifi - (L-5)

Pomegranate

- 2 - Socrates, Porkens - (L-8)

Socrates

- 1 - StrangerCoug - (L-9)

wolframnhart

- 2 - Jack, Ellibereth - (L-8)

Players not voting: Bouncy.Bouncy, curiouskarmadog, DocPotter, Faraday, Farside, Hoopla, Pomegranate, Rayfrost, TonyMontana

That is not a hammer. Please hammer.

Why was a hammer asked for when FFF not only on V/LA but no claim had occured?

I didn't care about either.

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That is not a hammer. Please hammer.

Why was a hammer asked for when FFF not only on V/LA but no claim had occured?

I didn't care about either.

Vote: Elli

Why?

Makes no difference. When you want someone dead you want them dead.

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That is not a hammer. Please hammer.

Why was a hammer asked for when FFF not only on V/LA but no claim had occured?

I didn't care about either.

Vote: Elli

Why?

Makes no difference. When you want someone dead you want them dead.

looking at your post and reasoning for FFF looked like you were just looking at lurkers to lynch.
What was your thoughts on TM after his vote and lurking?

I was. FFFF = Scummiest lurker.
I didn't have any thoughts about him. I still don't have any. Waiting for him to post.

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Don't feel like looking back right now, but yeah, there was definitely scum on that wagon.
....
Actually I will look back, urghal.
Rayfrost, wolframnhart, Faraday, Hoopla, The1fifi, Ellibereth, Jack, Fate, TonyMontana, RedCoyote, Cobalt, Dramonic

Cob and Dram are town. I'm town. So that leaves: Ray, Wolf, Fara, Hoop, The1, Jack, Fate, Tony, Red.

Fara, Hoop, The1, Jack, and Fate all look majorly town to me off the top of my head,

Ray, Wolf, Tony, Red. I list Red as town earlier IIRC. I have to and check why again. But yeah. And I'm too lazy to see who was originally on Pom wagon.

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I maintain that bouncy is town.

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Look at the guys posts. Bouncy is unbelievably town.
Anyway, I'll read the last few pages over again, but until then:

TOWN
Soc
Fate
bouncy
red
Jack
Stranger
the1
Pork
Doc
Elli
Hoop
Curious

EVERYONE ELSE
Ray
Wolf
Devo
Tony
Far
Pom
Fara

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Claim or die more like it.

Role cop

Go ahead and hammer me if it helps the town, my role is pretty much useless for town with the PYP mechanic and I only picked it because I didn't want the mafia to have it.

Should I post my result from last night? Idk if that would help the town or the mafia.

Playername, then we'll talk.

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Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 10

Bouncy.Bouncy

- 9 - Fate, wolframnhart, Devotress, RedCoyote, The1fifi, StrangerCoug, Hoopla, Farside, Faraday - (L-1)

Pomegranate

- 2 - Socrates, Porkens - (L-8)

The1fifi

- 1 - Bouncy.Bouncy - (L-9)

wolframnhart

- 2 - Jack, Ellibereth - (L-8)

Players not voting: curiouskarmadog, DocPotter, Pomegranate, Rayfrost, TonyMontana

Everything goes back to the numbers....
I don't think scum doubled up at all if they had a chance to talk about choosing numbers, so it's probably just one from that group. Big if though.
Assuming that, then the scumteam =
Ray + Wolf + Devo + Tony + {Far, Pom, Fara}.
So....can we have that wagon on Wolf now?

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scumteam =
Ray + Wolf + Devo + Tony + {Far, Pom, Fara}.

Noone wants to wagon wolf? Whatevs, either one works.

unvote wolf, vote ray

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I'm all for revealing the investi result on ray.

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EBWOP: bouncy, what do you mean when you say random?

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I don't get why.

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EBWOP: I don't get why bouncy shouldn't reveal.

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If we're revealing bouncy should give his result first, no?

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curiousity makes me ask this but I just saw this role was possibly in the game:
Neighborizer wrote:
Each night you may send me two names. These two players may then communicate outside the thread. You may send your own name as one of the names.

Has anyone chatted with anyone outside the game yet? If so did you get any info or feel for the person you chatted with.

Blatant rolefishing says what?

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Errr no.
A neighborizer would almost definitely have targetted themself and someone else. :/

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Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 10

Bouncy.Bouncy

- 6 - Fate, wolframnhart, RedCoyote, StrangerCoug, Faraday, Farside - (L-4)

Farside

- 1 - Rayfrost - (L-9)

Pomegranate

- 2 - Socrates, Porkens - (L-8)

Rayfrost

- 2 - Hoopla, Ellibereth - (L-8)

The1fifi

- 1 - Bouncy.Bouncy - (L-9)

wolframnhart

- 1 - Jack - (L-9)

Players not voting: curiouskarmadog, Devotress, DocPotter, Pomegranate, The1fifi, TonyMontana

Unvote, vote Wolf

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Rolefishing is worse than roleouting?

Shouldn't you be on the bouncy wagon, Ray?

he hasn't claimed my role.

then again, he's prob scum, sooooo...

should I claim with results or what?

...didyoujustclaim?...
*HEADDESK*

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I stand by my previous claims.
100% VI.

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Ray, when were you a tracker before?

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Ray, when were you a tracker before?

check wiki.

Yeah, nvm, I found it. I just looked at the chart thing on top.
I have to redo my list thing with Ray as town: stand by.

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Goddamnit guys, bouncy is such a VI...do you really think scum would actually say they used random.org???
I was probably just as bad in some of my first games on the site...

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Village Idiot

There's actually probably going to be 0 change from my previous list except for moving Ray up to town.
Scum are:
Wolf, Devo, Tony, (2?){Far, Fara, Pom} +?(trad. messed up town read)

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Goddamnit guys, bouncy is such a VI...do you really think scum would actually say they used random.org???
I was probably just as bad in some of my first games on the site...

What other thing could anyone say for checking out a player that makes no sense as town?

I don't think it was a bad investigation...Ray was in my scumlist...
But he probably would make up an excuse if he was scum, Ray was unreadable to him, or something like that...
Bleh I dunno, my gut fully believes bouncy is town.

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I know he's playing terrible...it's just that I also think he's town. :/
Whatevs...I doesn't look like I can stop this lynch. Can we please have the wagon on wolf tomorrow?

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Mine is mainly from PoE as usual.
Jack has said it a few times across his Iso, I'll go look.

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http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 53#2115553
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 06#2108706

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Socrates is town. Wolf needs to be wagonned. NOW

Vote: Wolf

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Why is the vig scum?

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Find me something that makes Red look scummy enough for a town vig to hit?

He's only voted two people over the space of the entire game, bouncy and fefi. And Fefi was only for a space of one post for the deadline lynch.

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Soc is a gut read.
But yeah, Jack's idea looks fine. I endorse.

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Scum are:
Wolf, Devo, Tony, (2?){Far, Fara, Pom} +?(trad. messed up town read)

Haha, don't things work out nicely?
Pom is our scum from that slot and the messed up town read may very well be Soc.

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hahahahahahaha

Unvote, Vote Pom

Farside and Faraday are also now both town!

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Pom, Wolf, Devo, Tony, fifi, yay!!!!!!!

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Faraday/Farside are town because of the whole Hoopla number thing. It finally became useful. There's also some other stuff, but for now the scumteam is:
Pom, Wolf, Devo, Tony, {fifi?}, I'm the least certain on the last one.
Pom posted in all her other games. No use waiting for a claim now.

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I just realiazed Fifi prob isn't scum. He and wolf have the exact same numbers.
Tomorrow is the day we finally hang the wolf.

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Unvote

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Bouncy if you're still reading, NOW do you see why you should've role coped Socrates or myself?

-_-'

Hanlon's Razor
^^^ Very relevant yesterday.

Porkens and Ckd are both town. I think I pointed out why in my iso somewhere, too lazy to look.
[/url]

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Huh.. Wha... but... hmm?

Vote: Soc

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I WAS FRAMED!

I'M INNOCENT I TELL YOU!

The mafia must have a framer and set me up!

Ohwait.

The mafia must have a bus driver and redirected my investigation!

Er...

I must secretly have been insane! Yea, thats it! Hoopla is scum!

vote: Hoopla

I love you too Soc.

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Vote:Soc

Quicklynch on the chance that they don't get time to send in the kills? I don't think there are any worthwhile pro town role actions at this point.

Doctor.

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Socrates is 100% scum.
I will say nothing more on the matter.

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Everyone needs to shut up and lynch Socrates. If scum have enough power roles wer'e screwed either way.

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Hammer. Trust me on this one. I would rather miss a few town power roles then let all the scum powerroles in.

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EVERYONE SHUT UP UNTIL AFTER THE FLIP.

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....
Quicklynch was the only way to win, now we're screwed.
Scum have the governer, I tried for it and came up blank. Someone above me on the list has it. Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay....

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Oh, and Soc being the vig should be a no brainer now.

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Anyway, I'm praying that the gov is wolf who may just have went inactive so quicklynch gogogogogogogogoooooooo

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Is that L-1? I want to hammer.

Unvote

I'll be here fast and furiously when someone places him back at L-1.

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We should still lynch Soc.
Wolf's gone inactive!!!! If he was the scum gov we still have a chance to get a lynch on Soc done. Scum probably know he's disppapeared and have been scrambling to extend the day.

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Fate, we should still lynch Soc. Trust me please.

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My Current Hypothesis:
Soc, Hoopla and Doc, The1fifi are all scum. Not sure on the last one yet. If I die tonight, do me a wonderful favor of offing all of them. I'll get more in depth later.
Fate and CKD are both town, beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Vote: Socrates

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Hoopla's there due to a gut read and some other reasons.

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I have to go for now, see'yall tomorrow, hopefully.

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You should trust me on Hoop too then.
Anyway, waiting for mod.

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STOP.
I lied yesterday to gain an extra day of life, i.e. not wanting to be killed.
I AM THE TOWN GOVERNER.

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And I'll be stopping any lynch I'm not happy with. So today is the day you guys have to convince

me

!!! Yaaaaaay!!!!
Rereading. I was wrong about Doc.

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Tsk tsk. I'm the one that's doing the questioning now kay?
Good? Understand.
Post with actual stuff other than me going dictator today coming up later.

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And I'll be stopping any lynch I'm not happy with. So today is the day you guys have to convince

me

!!! Yaaaaaay!!!!
Rereading. I was wrong about Doc.

Sorry to burst the bubble on your little power trip, but a govern on ANY lynch takes the current 6:4 scenario to night with no kill. Guess what's going to happen then?

If you're town, take back that threat, because it means auto-lose. I'm baffled why you'd even bother saying that - because there is zero pro-town motivation. I think it's a safe assumption Elli is scum, and he's just rubbing our noses in it because he can't lose.

Oh, forgot about that.
Well then, I'll be stopping my own lynch under any circumstances.
Hoopla is scum who went for governer and came up blank IMo btw.

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Off the top of my head I think the 1fifi is lying and is the vig.
Jack/Fate still both look extremely town to me...

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Elli = Govern
Wolf = Neighbor
Hoopla = Vanilla (Backup)
Jack = Venge
Fate = Bomb!!
The1fifi = Vanilla (vig)
StrangerCoug = Vanilla (bomb)
Devotress
Faraday
TonyMontana

Is this right so far?

[Ellibereth]

STUPID QUESTION TIME:
If we miss the vig today, it's a loss right?
Almost done scanning through.

[Ellibereth]

Tony, Devotress, and Fara all need to claim before I'm going to start vot'in.
Fate, what impression did you get from Fara in the QT? What did you discuss mostly? Or just talk about whatever you want about it.

[Ellibereth]

My Current think by the way:

PEOPLE I BELIEVE
Elli = Govern
Wolf = Neighbor
Hoopla = Vanilla (Backup) (I flip-flopped ten million times on her throughout this game already...)
Jack = Venge
Fate = Bomb!! (Pending reread, my gut has felt town here for the space of the whole game though).
Stranger = Vanilla (Bomb) (Apparently Fate said that the only way Stranger is scum is if Fate is scum? Only reason he's here right now).

So that would leave...
The1fifi
Devotress
Faraday
TonyMontana

[Ellibereth]

Fifi, do you have any complete games on this site or somewhere else?
I'm having trouble telling between VI and Scum.

[Ellibereth]

Fifi, do you have any complete games on this site or somewhere else?
I'm having trouble telling between VI and Scum.

I am not an idiot ffs. Why are you so full of yourselfs?

That means your scum then.
I still want my links.

[Ellibereth]

Oh yerhz, Fate, how exactly did you emulate Porkens? I don't think just the name would be enough. How many posts are in your QT?

[Ellibereth]

I'm declaring Fate and Faraday town.
Next up is Jack, who I always read town...Jack, do you have any recent complete/you've flipped scum games? If not a few old ones can suffice too if your playstyle is sufficiently similar. If not...whatevs.

[Ellibereth]

Not the kills, the hope was that the governor wouldn't be around.

I don't see Hoopla being scum with Socrates unless scum DON'T have Governor. But I'll trust your word on CKD (since your read of me is correct).

Btw fate, scum have no governer. Help me out on Hoopla. I've flipped flopped back and forth, front and back on her all game.
(I know she won't be of much consequence today, since today is lynch-the-vig-day, but I'm a piece of dead meat soon and I want to figure it all out. )

[Ellibereth]

Why did you claim again? You didn't really need a bigger target on you anyway... (should've waited for TM and Devotress then claimed Bulletproof, imo.)

Because I don't like lying. It's hard for me to fake stuff for too long...(And I didn't even think of that). I think we need another handy reference chart!

THE HEROIC MEMBERS OF THE TOWN
---------------------------------
GOVERNER Ellibereth
EXPLOSIVE Fate
NEIGHOR Wolframhart
VANILLA Faraday

THE OUTCASTS
---------------------------------
VENGEFUL Jack
VANILLA Stranger
VANILLA Fifi
VANILLA Hoopla
THE CLAIMLESS Devotress
WHO ARE YOU AGAIN? Tony Montana

TRUE IDENTITIES REVEALED?
---------------------------------
EVILVIG Fifi (Stranger? Jack???)
GOONIE Hoopla
GOONIE Tony Montana
GOONIE Devotress

[Ellibereth]

This is also the first post I actually realize that almost half the town is scum right now... How the hell are we supposed to get a majority on the scum's own vig?

FATE, WOLF, FARADAY: Together we have to decide who the EVILVIG is!
Then I will become go from GOVERNER to DICTATOR and force the rest of the town to vote with us. We just need 2 more then after all!

[Ellibereth]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 6

Devotress

- 1 - The1fifi - (L-5)

StrangerCoug

- 3 - Fate, Jack, Faraday - (L-3)

The1fifi

- 1 - StrangerCoug - (L-5)

Players not voting: Devotress, Ellibereth, Hoopla, TonyMontana, wolframnhart

I SEE VOTES, WAIIIT FOR MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.
i.e. let me read.

[Ellibereth]

Quick Note, I don't think Tony Montana and Hoopla would have double up EXACTLY together with 1, 1. Still reading.

[Ellibereth]

What makes it a gabillionzillion times more likely that Stranger's the vig over Fifi again?

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I'm beginning to agree with Stranger = vig.
Funny how they (fifi + stranger) both declined to comment on the devovote situation.
Between the two, if the scumteam were discussing they would give it it to the better player probably, the one that had a less chance of being lynched. (Stranger over fifi).

[Ellibereth]

I want to hammer.

[Ellibereth]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 6

Devotress

- 1 - The1fifi - (L-5)

StrangerCoug

- 4 - Fate, Jack, Faraday, wolframnhart - (L-2)

The1fifi

- 1 - StrangerCoug - (L-5)

Players not voting: Devotress, Ellibereth, Hoopla, TonyMontana

Oh shi-

I have another to add to my list of fears! QUICK HAMMER ELLIE HES AT L-1!!

I ALSO want to point out that Hoopla hasn't even voted Fifi despite acknowledging his huge slip.

4 votes on. not 5.

[Ellibereth]

ELLI's LAST LIST

STRANGER
FIFI
HOOPLA
DEVOTRESS

AYIYIYIYIYIYIYIYI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! COMEBACK TIME!!!!!!!!!!!! (I hope) ;P

Vote: Stranger

GOOD LUCK GUYZ.

[Ellibereth]

Jack and Fate were scum>??????
VAT>

[Ellibereth]

EBWOP: By fate I meant Faraday.

[Ellibereth]

Well, after the draft needless to say I thought town was going to have an uphill struggle.

And, god, I was right.

The only one that really surprised me this whole game was no one piping up D4 and going "wait, the chances of him being vig at this point aren't that great and the vig is obviously scum so YES we need to leave him alive and find that damn vig."

The draft was a hoot. Apparently no one wants to take the Hippocratic Oath these days. I think that hurt.

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THAT SAID:

Overall thoughts?
What would you change?
What would you keep?

I know the impact of scum being able to talk before the draft really helped. A lot. Even more than I thought it would - with that said, although the scumteam played well Hoopla by far gets my MVP of this game. He, really, ran this show and ran it well. Kudos.

Two Lylo losses in 5 minutes for me. Yay!!!!!!!
On D4 I thought Soc was the scum vig and that Hoopla/Doc were trying to exactly that and make the town hunt for the vig elsewhere and out the governer since I thought Hoopla went for it and came up blank...

It was a good game, except for the fact that I was terrible...

[Ellibereth]

I fucked up really bad.
I'll explain what happened with the Socrates "confirmed town" thing after an ongoing game is over...