Mini 918 - A Hot, Steaming Bowl of Mafia - Game Over!

[RedCoyote]

I don't get why you would do this if you could just kill Locke and bypass trying to convince anyone else to vote him. Although I guess if you are lying about being able to daykill, you don't have long to live.

This...

I think Hoopla should just vig herself and then we proceed with lynching Shotty.

but not this.

It seems incredibly sneaky to not just use your power on Locke if you have it, the way you used it on Sotty. I would sooner use the next shot on SttB or Zach personally, but I can't say there isn't a solid theory explaining Lockescum either. When and if a shot goes through, well, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. If no shot happens, today's lynch should be a no brainer.

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I see Locke scum if we assume a town Hoopla fairly easy

I don't know about all that; I don't want to play that game.

Even if you're calling out charter (later in the post) kind of tongue-in-cheek, I'd wish you'd use a smiley instead of the microtext though, lol.

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I tracked RedCoyote on the first night. No result (as in - he did nothing interesting during the night).

I wonder if I should react to this at all. Yeah, if I was scum I probably would've asked someone else to submit the kill for sure.

[RedCoyote]

Unvote: Konowa; vote: Shotty to the Body

[RedCoyote]

Also (sorry, one more post), since we have a few days, maybe a replacement would help? The Nikanor/Zach slot and the Konowa slot are nearly unreadable. I'd like to hear if Zach or whoever else can bring any new rationale to the game. Hoops sounds like she has all these crazy things going on in her head, playing far more steps ahead in the game than I am. I don't know if this is a good thing or a bad thing, a town thing or a scum thing, but I do know she sounds like a vigilante (with the exception being the Tracker claim, which is beyond anything I would gamble).

It shouldn't be glossed over that she just did some real damage to the town, which explains why she's apologetic, but the town also has some room to breathe courtesy of Moai.

I guess what I'm saying is I want to call her town, but I kind of feel guilty for doing so. I wonder if a replacement would feel any differently.

[Hoopla]

I'm starting to think RedCoyote needs to die. What does everyone think about me taking him out to prove I am the killer?

[RedCoyote]

D:

I vote nay.

[Hoopla]

Too late. It's sent.

[RedCoyote]

You're bluffing. You just want me to claim like the Colonel had to.

Tell her to stop the madness, guys!

[Hoopla]

I kind of wish I was bluffing, because I like you. Sigma is asleep though, so you have ~12 hours to get a lynch to save yourself.

[d3x]

you have ~12 hours to get a lynch to save yourself.

I doubt that would save him. The games I've read where this situation comes up has the Vig/SK go through when the day ends {ie- when the Mod shows up} as opposed to saving the target.

I kind of think you're wrong about RC being Scum, but I sure as hell hope you're not.

Hoopla- Why did you agree for the Town to direct your kill and then shoot anyway?

[Hoopla]

you have ~12 hours to get a lynch to save yourself.

I doubt that would save him. The games I've read where this situation comes up has the Vig/SK go through when the day ends {ie- when the Mod shows up} as opposed to saving the target.

I kind of think you're wrong about RC being Scum, but I sure as hell hope you're not.

Hoopla- Why did you agree for the Town to direct your kill and then shoot anyway?

Because I trust my 100% pro-town motivated read moreso than a town consensus riddled with potential scum influence. The general consensus seems to be doubting my killing abilities more so than my alignment. When I am proved I can kill, it either means I am the vig or an SK. Either way, it's in scum's interest to take me out at night.

Who would you have wanted me to shoot, d3x?

[d3x]

I'd be down for a lurker kill and I wouldn't be against a Shotty kill. Either way, I'd have prefered you waited until we saw Konowa's replacement and Zach's hypothetical contribution to the game, but

c'est la vie

.

[d3x]

I would have also liked to hear back from charter regarding your proposed seppuku.

[Hoopla]

Okay, I didn't kill anyone yet. Red's reaction, town or scum?

[d3x]

I kind of think you're wrong about RC being Scum

[Hoopla]

Do you think any scum were on MIC's final wagon?

[d3x]

Million Dollar question, isn't it?

I'd believe that there was a 3rd party on the lynch over Scum. Both lurkers were off the lynch and that's got me really nervous. I'm not putting it past a late addition bus, but I was looking mostly at you there. The jury's still out on that, I suppose.

[Hoopla]

Are you normally a 1-vote per day type of player d3x? I find it unusual, you vote MIC on page 1 and don't shift it. Dry-fit did this too for some reason, but 'confirm' at some stage which at least makes clear his position. You seem to question other players while clinging to your page 1 vote. Why?

[d3x]

I do have a tendency to park my Votes, yeah. I don't care for bouncing my Vote around a lot because I believe it needs to have weight to it. I do have a fairly good track record, so aside from a few embarassing games {one which sigma and Zach can both attest to when/if Zach finally shows his face} it hasn't done me

too

wrong thus far.

Regarding MIC D1, I had legit reasons to keep my Vote there all Day. It wasn't really ever a Random Vote and I never saw any redeeming qualities to MIC's play, so I never had cause to move it. While I was questioning RC on his 'Sotty play', I had a mostly neutral/Town read on him, but I wanted to pressure him to be sure. I also hoped to drum up a bit of discussion and draw out some Scum, which worked admirably. My other game with RC, he was Scum and this just doesn't have the same feel {although admittedly, I didn't catch on to him then}.

All of my games are on my wiki page if you'd like to check up on me.

Quid pro quo- Do you usually Vote 6x D1? Also, why haven't you Voted at all today? I'm also still waiting on that fluff, btw.

[Hoopla]

I do have a tendency to park my Votes, yeah. I don't care for bouncing my Vote around a lot because I believe it needs to have weight to it. I do have a fairly good track record, so aside from a few embarassing games {one which sigma and Zach can both attest to when/if Zach finally shows his face} it hasn't done me

too

wrong thus far.

Flicking through your games, it does just look like a playstyle thing. It just irked me because the only other time I'd seen it happen is when I was scum with Cyberbob who parked his vote on our other buddy for the whole day until lynch. It proved to be quite an effective tactic, but I don't think you would do this is you were partners with MIC.

Going through the rest of the MIC lynch; Dry-fit has flipped town, we know Cathart is town, we should know I am not scum. That leaves charter and Shotty left on the MIC wagon. Funnily enough I can't see charter bussing so wrecklessly, especially a roleblocker. It just doesn't make sense to me - sure the vote came late, but I think my wagon was still in contention if he really wanted to protect MIC. Just doesn't feel like a charter play. I'm actually also getting vibes that Shotty probably isn't scum either based on his vote - it just again, seems like a silly thing to bus MIC, when he had even more time to get a different wagon pushed.

Scum would concious of this happening, however, and might normally have considered a late bus, but it isn't true with myself and Cathart being the ones to fill that slot. Charter maybe, but I still think it's a low chance. So why wouldn't scum bus in this scenario, knowing that anyone off the wagon would come under pressure the next day? Easy - the lurkers. I really think that one of them is probably scum, not only were both missing almost the whole day, they were both ominously off the MIC wagon. And I doubt the wagon would have gone through in the first place if 3 scum had been condensed in the remaining 10 players who had an influence in the game.

At the moment I see a scumteam containing one of Zach/Konowa and one of RedCoyote/Locke - because I just don't think both lurkers would be scum, AND MIC who was a lurker. The fact that scum killed someone

on

the MIC wagon suggests they are trying to keep the pool of players

off

the wagon as large as possible. Not wifom, trust me!

[Hoopla]

Quid pro quo- Do you usually Vote 6x D1? Also, why haven't you Voted at all today? I'm also still waiting on that fluff, btw.

It varies. I'd say about 5-6 votes per D1 is my average. What fluff are you talking about?

[Shotty to the Body]

Next person to say 'I'd like to see a Shotty kill' should actually give reasons kthx.

[Shotty to the Body]

I still don't think RC is scum, but I don't think running around waving a gun in someone's face with threat of death is really going to be much of an alignment tell at this point.

@RC the reason I feel like playing that game is a vig would've counterclaimed Hoopla and even if she's an SK of some variety scum-Locke would still pursue her. It's actually a pretty safe bet to make.

[d3x]

@Shotty- What changed between your Iso18 and Iso19? Or is your position on Locke only dependant on Hoopla's presumed innocence? Also to clarify, I didn't say 'I want Shotty killed', I said I wouldn't be against it. I know that it's splitting hairs, but the reason is mostly gut and an unsettling feeling in your direction; nothing concrete or factual.

@Hoopla- p190

Are you permitted to post flavor text?

[Locke Lamora]

Well, that was an interesting read. Looks like I've missed a lot in a day.

Hoopla: why do you think it's unlikely that both lurkers are scum?

Looking at the votes around Moai's lynch, I agree that charter's vote makes it unlikely for him to be scum. It's an incredibly ballsy bus if he is. We know Cathart is town, I think Shotty is too from the timing of his vote. I imagine my vote on Hoopla looks quite scummy to some people, not really a lot I can say about that other than it definitely wasn't hammertime. I think the hammer vote is horribly timed; we could have waited to get some more reactions and possibly draw a save attempt from a buddy. The only reason I think Hoopla's not scum is down to the fallout from the tracker ploy. It seems very unlikely that RC's scum too after MIC's defence but that's got WIFOM written all over it too, so I'm not going to get too deep into that. I think it's more likely that d3x is right and Moai was trying to get town points by defending someone he knew was town.

I could see d3x as scum; his vote was on Moai all day and moving it off once the wagon got going would have looked terrible. At least one of the lurkers is very likely scum, given how D1 went. I'd be inclined to say Konowa if I had to choose. Konowa's RC vote is odd from any standpoint; an RC lynch was never going to happen at that stage, so voting for him was no good if he was trying to stop a scumbuddy getting lynched and it was no good for a competing wagon if he was a townie who disagreed with the MIC lynch. Also, it's virtually impossible to get a read off the Nik/Zach slot right now. If we are going to get anyone vigged, I'd vote for Konowa right now.

[d3x]

So to keep this straight, we currently have...

Who wants Hoopla to shoot whom

Hoopla

{1} charter

Locke

{1} Shotty

Konowa

{1} Locke

Haven't Decided or Weighed in

- Everyone else