If that was your only reason, why didn't you raise the same doubt about me, as I've said similar things? I would like to hear your full reasoning as well.AlmasterGM wrote:Your meta defense of Zodiark. Besides, I was talking to everyone in the thread, not just you.DiamondCrash wrote:No, you discuss. How did you come to that theory?AlmasterGM wrote:DiamondCrash and Zodiark13 as a scumbuddies. Discuss.
How do you expect anyone else to talk about something when you're not prepared to put your own opinion about it? Perhaps you want someone to post so you can agree with their opinion?AlmasterGM wrote:The point of saying "DISCUSS" is because I want to hear original thoughts from other people on the subject, not spew out a case and then hear a chorus of agrees or disagrees. So, no, I will not follow up just yet.
):DK: I'm willing for now to accept his explanation of sleep deprivation for the "let's lynch early" comment, since it was 4:47 am in Kentucky when he made the post in question and I've said and done similarly stupid things when I've been up later than usual or necessary. If I see other scummy stuff, that might find its way back onto my radar.Captain Pandemonium wrote:@Trumpet - Care to share your view on Dread and your fellow bandwagoners? I’m uncomfortable and a little surprised that you seem to be focusing exclusively on Z. I’d appreciate some analysis of others. I’m seeing Thelas’s vote as pretty dirty too, but I’ll come to that in a minute.
...uhh... what?Zodiark13 wrote:I think he isn't attacking me because he finds me scummy, but because I gave him the wrong kind of attention.
Unvote: ToD
Making sure people know where you are on a lynch is actually a very protown thing to do. One scumhunting tool that I don't use as much as I probably should is vote count and wagon analysis, and it's easier if people say they're L-1 or whatever. (Generally, I only announce L-2 and up, and then only if there are at least 6 or 7 players left.)Captain Pandemonium wrote: I’m a bit dubious of people’s motives who are on a wagon and tell us the potential lynchee is at L- whatever. Firstly have the courage of conviction of your vote so that if a lynch happens you can argue your reasons for voting – if you’re confident of your case, you shouldn’t need to give everyone else a running commentary….otherwise it looks more like you’re trying to convince yourself. Secondly, it’d be a good scum defence for when the lynchee flips town – something like, “I did warn you all they were at L2” Civic duty or covering your scummy ass?
Fixed. I agree it's not much, but I think it makes it easier for someone else to "accidentally" hammer.AlmasterGM wrote:L-2: No tell.
L-1 with no request for claim:Slightly scummy.
L-1 with well-reasoned request for claim: No tell.
L-1 with poorly-reasoned request for claim and/or quick-L-1: Scum.
Hammer with justification: No tell.
Hammer without justification: Scum.
Quickhammer: Obvscum.
Captain Pandemonium wrote:@Trumpet - In a lot of ways you're worse than Foxy. You've sought to legitimise your lurking when as an IC you should have known better.
Shit happens/my teachers needed grades from us. First of all, thanks for the welcomeTrumpet of Doom wrote:@horrordude: Welcome to the game.
1. Do you think your predecessor's vote on Zodiark was justified?
2. Who do you think is/are scum?
He's apologizing about the FoS because he realized that it put him in hot water, yet he subtly tried to attack ToD as well. You can tell he does this because he apologizes for letting the "power get to his head", and then later in his post he saysI apologise, being an SE came as a bit of a surprise, since I only found out about it a day or so before the game began. I guess the position went to my head.
In his "again" linked game, on the first page, he laped up the attention of being IC like a kitten with milk[/b]
This seems more than enough to warrant a vote on him, IMO.
Vote: Zodiark13
Ok, looking back at what I said, I know I mentioned making a move on Zodiark, but at the same time, I also very clearly said that more time was just as much of an option. I just kinda wanted to point out, I was not really trying to encourage a quicklynch. I brought up taking out Zodiark early, but also just wanted to see what other people thought about it. Not trying change anything, I know what I said was not smart, I am not trying to deny that.With this said, I do think that because of these events, and the way things have went down, even though we are early early in the first day, enough has happened to have major reasoning to maybe make a move on Zodiark already? I mean, it is first day in a 9 person day. I can see more time to talk being completely viable, whether it be to see more bad defense, or a hole in someones accusation. But, I do not think that a lynch soon would be such a bad thing either. Thoughts anyone?
While I personally would be fine with a Zod lynch, we still have about a week and a half to make our decision. We should probably wait a little bit longer, IMODreadknight wrote:So, just to spur discussion, and I really would like to know, is the point we are at now any more viable of a time for a lynch? Or should we keep learning more about everyone until the deadline?
I think I’d rather focus on catching one scum at a time, and then retrospectively examine any potential links the following day. Having stalked through other games on here, focusing on scum links this early always seems to end in barking up the wrong tree. But, whatever floats your boat I guess.AlmasterGM wrote:DiamondCrash and Zodiark13 as a scumbuddies. Discuss.
It might have been useful had you responded to the points I’d raised rather than just taking off.Zodiark wrote:Sorry guys for the late notice but I am V/LA as of 20 hours ago, for the next 3 days or so. Left in a bit of a rush.
Amen to that.Dread wrote:And nextly, I really must say, I really do not feel that Zodiark has in any way helped himself out even since that early on..
Yes, I prefer the passive commentary. I was going to try and find some questions to ask, but it was really late when I made that postCaptain Pandemonium wrote:You seem to be providing a passive commentary as opposed to active questioning. This may be your preferred playstyle, but what seems a bit odd to me is that if I were a fresh pair of eyes in a game, I think I’d have a million questions. Yet you don’t seem to be asking anything?
I always found that outing your town list is rather helpful, because it helps eliminate the possibility of a mislynch.Also I don’t want to hear about who’s a Town player, you’re just painting targets for NK’s, or canvassing opinion.
I don't see Zodiark trying to bus you for that, so I don't really agree with itAlso @Horror; What do you think of Almaster's notion that Zodiark and I are scumbuddies?
I appreciate the clarification, but I would prefer you give us actual content, ie. scumhunting. If you are sure enough of Zodiark being scum to suggest ending the day, then who do you think is his scumbuddy?Dreadknight wrote:Alright, so, I feel like I had to say this. Ok, here is what I said earlier.
Ok, looking back at what I said, I know I mentioned making a move on Zodiark, but at the same time, I also very clearly said that more time was just as much of an option. I just kinda wanted to point out, I was not really trying to encourage a quicklynch. I brought up taking out Zodiark early, but also just wanted to see what other people thought about it. Not trying change anything, I know what I said was not smart, I am not trying to deny that.With this said, I do think that because of these events, and the way things have went down, even though we are early early in the first day, enough has happened to have major reasoning to maybe make a move on Zodiark already? I mean, it is first day in a 9 person day. I can see more time to talk being completely viable, whether it be to see more bad defense, or a hole in someones accusation. But, I do not think that a lynch soon would be such a bad thing either. Thoughts anyone?
If you ask me, any lynch that happens before 72 hours until deadline is bound to be premature, unless the scum have messed up so bad that there is almost no reason for doubt.Dreadknight wrote:So, just to spur discussion, and I really would like to know, is the point we are at now any more viable of a time for a lynch? Or should we keep learning more about everyone until the deadline?
You and CP voted in Thelas.CP wrote: I don't have a better suspect. So my vote is staying where it is, for now.
I understand accusing me because i'm no helping enough but because am i lurking?...this no proof than i'm a scum, only proof than i'm busy.Freddy wrote:RedFox - Actively lurking.
What prompted this comment? I was accepting your explanation of "it was late, I wasn't thinking," and I can't see anything that would have prompted this redefense of yourself. There's a line between being defensive and being overdefensive - you just crossed that line and kept on going.Dreadknight wrote:Alright, so, I feel like I had to say this. Ok, here is what I said earlier.
Ok, looking back at what I said, I know I mentioned making a move on Zodiark, but at the same time, I also very clearly said that more time was just as much of an option. I just kinda wanted to point out, I was not really trying to encourage a quicklynch. I brought up taking out Zodiark early, but also just wanted to see what other people thought about it. Not trying change anything, I know what I said was not smart, I am not trying to deny that.With this said, I do think that because of these events, and the way things have went down, even though we are early early in the first day, enough has happened to have major reasoning to maybe make a move on Zodiark already? I mean, it is first day in a 9 person day. I can see more time to talk being completely viable, whether it be to see more bad defense, or a hole in someones accusation. But, I do not think that a lynch soon would be such a bad thing either. Thoughts anyone?
I'm not sure you can try any harder to look town. And trying to look town is a fairly solid scumtell.Dreadknight wrote:And nextly, I really must say, I really do not feel that Zodiark has in any way helped himself out even since that early on.
If we thought we knew who the lynch was going to be, then yes, it would be a more viable opportunity. However...Dreadknight wrote:So, just to spur discussion, and I really would like to know, is the point we are at now any more viable of a time for a lynch? Or should we keep learning more about everyone until the deadline?
