Mafia 110: Mafia in Hell, Michigan (Tied.)

[Ythan]

If you're not even reading the thread you should be lynched regardless.

[Netopalis]

Musher333 has been prodded.

[RayFrostWikiManager]

Why are you trying to lynch a Town PR?

Shush, honey.

Now answer my post.

[RayFrostWikiManager]

Oh, and tell us who you think is scummy and why. That'd be chill too.

[farside22]

Ray do you think scum was given a list of possible safe claims or do you think the watcher claim is fake?

[Ythan]

Ray do you think scum was given a list of possible safe claims...

This is reaching.

[Lowell]

Ray do you think scum was given a list of possible safe claims or do you think the watcher claim is fake?

What the...?!? What kind of question is this?

[farside22]

Ray do you think scum was given a list of possible safe claims or do you think the watcher claim is fake?

What the...?!? What kind of question is this?

There hasn't been a counter claim so I want to know why he thinks its a fake claim.
Yes it's possible the role isn't in the game but with 20 players in the game claiming for scum to claim a role not in the game is hard to fathom.

[Ythan]

It's my understanding that it's not a particularly common normal role.

[RayFrostWikiManager]

Ray do you think scum was given a list of possible safe claims or do you think the watcher claim is fake?

Considering it's a normal game, that would be odd. I admit my experience in Large Normals is limited, though. Have you ever been in a normal game where scum got safeclaims?

The problem with his claim is that not only does he sound like he's pretty likely lying, his claim isn't very provable.

Also, how likely do you think it is for a watcher to be in a normal game? Yes, there's 20 people, but of all normal roles, watcher's about the least likely one I can think of...

mFoS Farside

unvote

vote ace5993

HoS: Richard

Riken still needs to talk, tho.

[Ythan]

Do you think that vote's going to snap him out of flaking or something?

[RichardGHP]

It's my understanding that it's not a particularly common normal role.

There's more than likely a tracker, and wouldn't you say that's normal, role-wise? Watcher is basically a tracker in reverse, so I would say that it's a normal role.

Besides, the setup has been deemed normal by the co-mods/main mod, so by this logic my role is normal. Add to that, I'm UnCC'd, if that counts for anything.

[Ythan]

Pretty sure I said not particularly common. Your second line is completely pointless. Telling me that you're not lying hasn't been working and I don't see why you're keeping it up.

[ace5993]

Do you think that vote's going to snap him out of flaking or something?

Just finished skimming the thread and decided to post just for this

Main suspicions: pman - Looks like lurking without trying to appear lurking here, very half-assed posts.
SK - Wishy-washy voting is a big scumtell from a non-newb.

Again, very sorry about the lack of activity, at least it seems I wasn't the only one >_<

I

will

do a full analysis tomorrow.

[Dr.Cyanide]

"Why are you trying to lynch a Town PR?"

What kind of defence is this?

[RichardGHP]

"Why are you trying to lynch a Town PR?"

What kind of defence is this?

Well if you can think of a better one, please share it with me.

[Dr.Cyanide]

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha- No.

Your claim looks transparent as hell. You're either joking or crazy.

[Netopalis]

Riddick replaces SeptL.

[Riddick]

Yerp a derp derp. Give me some time to read up through the thread and post my thoughts.

[farside22]

Ray do you think scum was given a list of possible safe claims or do you think the watcher claim is fake?

Considering it's a normal game, that would be odd. I admit my experience in Large Normals is limited, though. Have you ever been in a normal game where scum got safeclaims?

The problem with his claim is that not only does he sound like he's pretty likely lying, his claim isn't very provable.

Also, how likely do you think it is for a watcher to be in a normal game? Yes, there's 20 people, but of all normal roles, watcher's about the least likely one I can think of...

Let me start by saying I don't clear richard because of the claim. I only have seen theme games were mafia were given safe claims but not a PR that is safe.
And yes I can see it possible that scum being given a watcher role. I still have my eye on him and if he thinks because he claimed watcher he should get to slide by and do nothing he's deluding himself.
With that said watcher is provable as he says who he watched and if someone targeted that player. Sure he could lie but if he's lying we vote his butt into a noose.
As a mod I like to have a tracker over a watcher but it depends on the set up where it's in the game or not. I did have a mafia watcher and a town tracker in one game I modded but that was a theme game. I would have to look at other large games to see how many mods use it.

[Netopalis]

Cirno has been prodded.

[Riddick]

Ray do you think scum was given a list of possible safe claims or do you think the watcher claim is fake?

farside the first thing is something only Tar does to my knowledge, I'm not sure how normal it'd be considered either, actually. I get the impression it's not something Neto would do though.

(sorry I'm reading but I might as well post my thoughts on current stuff too)

The watcher is certainly a normal role, and while it's not as common as a tracker I could definitely see one or both being in the game. Furthermore it's a really powerful role too. It's also easily testable and he'll more than likely be caught out unless he's a mafia watcher, and even then his role usage will have to be altered.

[Riddick]

Why are you trying to lynch a Town PR?

also this isn't a valid defense against your actions. scum may have pr's or may even fake claim too, using the fact your a pr as a reason not to lynch you is very fucking weak.

richard who's your top 3 scum suspects atm? and could you may give a sentence why as to each?

[farside22]

I only asked because Ray called it a fake claim. I wanted to know why he believed it to be fake and well deep down I'm always hoping to trap scum.
That said I just looked a bit down the list and found 3 large games where a watcher was used and about 4 games with tracker. So watcher isn't any more uncomman then tracker.

[Riddick]

yeah in mini's watcher is rather rare I think, but it's definitely not that uncommon in large games.