Mafia 109 - A Glitch in time - Game Over!

[Starbuck]

Policy Lynching is a scumtell because it's easy and opportunistic.

To me, mafia would push a policy lynch and call it such because they already know who each other are and to push a policy lynch just makes it so the town gets no information, and it doesn't matter what the policy lynched person flips since it was policy after all.

For example, take Zwet in MtG: Parallel Universe. That's a prime example of a policy lynch.

Townies push policy lynches on anti-town townies.
Scum push policy lynches on anti-town townies.
Therefore, nulltell.

It's a nulltell to you and that's fine. That's your PERSONAL opinion, not mine.

[Starbuck]

Vote: Starbuck

That slot has been coasting this whole damn game. Now's not the time for day 1 shenanigans that aren't even fully laced out. Specifically in that catchup post the dancing with KMD and Yos really gets me - I'd push them above Mae and Anon with a scum Starbuck flip.

Why are you not letting me catch up?


I will be doing Day 2 today and hopefully Day 3.


You've played with me before. You know how I catch up.

[Weaboo]

Mae is Town

What happened to this, and why did you consider her town in the first place? Let me guess.... voting analysis? *folds arms*

{Kise}

1) Which player do you think is most likely scum? Why?

Maelyn, cuz I'm votin fer her. I commented on her stalling of the Nacho wagon and an earlier method where she tried to link CSL to Nik for flimsy reasons. Viagra was needed that day..

2) If that player were killed right now as scum, which player do you think is most likely to be that player's scumbuddy? Why?

MaB/Pulindar. Both are selectively speaking with who they choose, and Pulindar earlier wrote a big wall on all the living players, but had so little to say about Nacho. In fact, all Pulindar said about Nacho was that he was one of the best players they've ever seen, and requested they post more. What!? That's not giving your opinion on a player in the thread. That's some generalized stuff right thurr. I could actually settle for a Pul' lynch today now that I've gone over him more...

3) Who was bus'ing on the Nikanor and Nacho wagons?

Only scum would know for sure.. bwahahahaha!

4) Are you scum? Please answer with more than 10 words.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, and no. (11 words, or 22 if you count what's in this parenthesis, but you also have to consider "what's" as one word... okay, now we're at 38 words... NO, that was 39 because "we're" = two words, yeah?)

5) Why do you think Dramonic is still alive?

Because nobody has killed him, duh. To tell the truth, I believe I was roleblocked N2 and he was targeted for a kill, hence no death's that next morning, and hence why he was able to receive a result successfully.

6) Do you trust SpyreX?

As in follow him? No. As in think he's not scum? Yes. I've got a pretty wide town lists too. If you notice, not long ago I posted who I thought was scum, null, and considered everyone else town.

7) Was your response to Question #4 a lie?

No, no, no, no, no, no.... no. How do you say no in Spanish?

8) Who are your top 3 lynches today?
There should only be 2 more mafia at the maximum, not 3.

9) Please provide a list of lurkers you'd be willing to slay mercilessly, and explain why.

Maelyn is lurking, isn't she? I think... Starbuck is the only other lurker, but McZombie is not scum. Can't be. You telling me she would have put Nik in hammering range like that? I don't see it.

10) Who did you target last night?

Stop roleblocking me and I'll tell you.

[SpyreX]

This game.

Why in the name of pete would you softclaim?

[Weaboo]

I did? Or are you fishing so that I can confirm I softclaimed?

........

[SpyreX]

Actually wait. I reread that and I'm even more confused.

Dramonic is alive because you were roleblocked and he was targeted for a kill?

[Weaboo]

I think (know!!!) I forgot to say that he could have gotten protected that night. Like maybe he was supposed to be killed but received protection while I was roleblocked, so his gunsmithing went through since mafia didn't feel like they should block the person they were killing if indeed they targeted him.

Why would they could a claimed gunsmith? Probably thinking the town protective role would feel as though he was less deserving of protection than someone else.

[Weaboo]

I'm keenly interested in what Weaboo has to say today.

KEENLY.

I didn't want to label Drip scum, but I could see mafia asking me something like this if they RBed me the night before. This post read like some kind of fishing tactic, but I wasn't viewing Drip as scum otherwise so didn't want to bring it up.

While I'm at it, why did you need to emphasize the word keenly, Drip?

{All Kise BTW}

[Drippereth]

While I'm at it, why did you need to emphasize the word keenly, Drip?

We thought you had a result on Ythan the other day (whom we mistakenly thought was a vig for a while), and since we're kinda stalling with the remaining scum, we were looking forward to you shedding light on... something... but we were wrong on the nature of that something. Rest assured that we are not scum taunting to mislynch you.

After we lynch Spyrex, we can kill Pulindar. I agree. He's posted his fake townie post, now he's scum again.

[Drippereth]

@ SpyreX

Would you be willing to bus Pulindar?

[Pulindar]

{Kise}

2) If that player were killed right now as scum, which player do you think is most likely to be that player's scumbuddy? Why?

MaB/Pulindar. Both are selectively speaking with who they choose, and Pulindar earlier wrote a big wall on all the living players, but had so little to say about Nacho. In fact, all Pulindar said about Nacho was that he was one of the best players they've ever seen, and requested they post more. What!? That's not giving your opinion on a player in the thread. That's some generalized stuff right thurr. I could actually settle for a Pul' lynch today now that I've gone over him more...

I respond to people according to when they ask me things directly, or if I feel interested. For instance I don't have an opinion on the SpyreX case. I've read Spyrex in ISO a few times and I still don't have an opinion. So I'm not commenting on it much.

As for the Nacho thing, don't misrepresent me Weaboo. I did explain myself there quite clearly. Even if I hadn't explained myself it seems quite obvious to me. I was asking for more so that I could find out what Nacho was. He's a good player and from what he had previously said I couldn't determine whether he was scum or not. That's it. It was also a shout out to someone who I played a good portion of my games with and whose opinion in games I appreciated. This was the first game I was with him where he was lurking and I wanted him to talk more. Now that he flipped scum I think that may just be his meta as he did not lurk at all when he was town. and he never gave up as town either.

5) Why do you think Dramonic is still alive?

Because nobody has killed him, duh. To tell the truth, I believe I was roleblocked N2 and he was targeted for a kill, hence no death's that next morning, and hence why he was able to receive a result successfully.

Didn't feel like a claim to me at all SpyreX, don't search for roles. It just felt like he was saying he's not a doctor

8) Who are your top 3 lynches today?
There should only be 2 more mafia at the maximum, not 3.

yeah, this number seems more correct

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Starbuck, I agree with the others, I don't feel that policy lynching is a scum tell. I agree more with Parama, it's a null tell. I've pushed for it both as town and as scum.

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Drip, What fake townie post?

[Drippereth]

IT MUST BE DONE

vote: SpyreX

[Drippereth]

What???????????????

SpyreX is still alive?

This is an OUTRAGE.

[SpyreX]

Good lord what do you want from me?

I'm not bussing Pulindar because I think Pul is TOWN FFS FOLLOW ME HERE.

Of the grouping (Starbuck, Mae, Anon) there's 1 scum, maaybe even 2 (otherwise Yos / KMD). Of the outliers I, despite my headdesks, have the most town vibes from Weaboo followed by Pul.

[Weaboo]

{Kise}

Nachomamma

one of the best players I've ever seen. Post more please.

Where's my misrep? As I said, this is what you said about Nacho. Compared to what you said about the rest of the living players, this looks more like neglect to take a stance on Nacho so that attention was on others.

[Maemuki]

Maelyn is lurking, isn't she? I think... Starbuck is the only other lurker, but McZombie is not scum. Can't be. You telling me she would have put Nik in hammering range like that? I don't see it.

I'M NOT HYDRAING WITH THE MOD DAMMIT Also Parama.

MaB/Pulindar. Both are selectively speaking with who they choose, and Pulindar earlier wrote a big wall on all the living players, but had so little to say about Nacho. In fact, all Pulindar said about Nacho was that he was one of the best players they've ever seen, and requested they post more. What!? That's not giving your opinion on a player in the thread. That's some generalized stuff right thurr. I could actually settle for a Pul' lynch today now that I've gone over him more...

That wasn't the question but ok.

1) Which player do you think is most likely scum? Why?

Not a big fan of Parama. But I'm really not liking Weaboo's play now. Suspecting me is fine - but notice that he leaves other lynches open, just in case that I'm able to defend myself! (Just before you attack me for defending the player that is defending me Weaboo, that would be pretty damn scummy even if you suspected anybody else.)

2) If that player were killed right now as scum, which player do you think is most likely to be that player's scumbuddy? Why?

3) Who was bus'ing on the Nikanor and Nacho wagons?

Can I answer this one when I'm not typing on an iPod?

4) Are you scum? Please answer with more than 10 words.

No. My role PM says I'm town, and I know that my name will appear green when I flip.

5) Why do you think Dramonic is still alive?

WIFOM.

6) Do you trust SpyreX?

I don't agree with him, but I don't see any specific reasons to lynch him now. There are worse people *coughparacough*

7) Was your response to Question #4 a lie?

Nope!

8) Who are your top 3 lynches today?

Eeeeeeh...can I deflect this one like Weaboo did it?

9) Please provide a list of lurkers you'd be willing to slay mercilessly, and explain why.

Parama. I can't even remember the last time he posted here. That's bad.

10) Who did you target last night?

Why do you care?

I'll expand on this tomorrow. Sorry guys - I really detached myself from this game. I'm trying to get back, but it's hard.

[Parama]

hey Mae
look on the previous page please

[Yosarian2]

]These are the graves I have dug for you if you break my game. I spent a long time of this setup and on the flavor.

Consider this a warning.

Um...are we not allowed to examine the game's flavor or something to decide if a role is probable or not? Because that's pretty standard. I'm really confused what you're trying to "warn" us about here, Haylen.

Asking players to ask the mod things, whether the do or dont. ~ Hayl

[Yosarian2]

Got a bad feeling of the convo with Yosa2 in iso 6. Yosa2 suspicion feels forced and Nacho's response is less impressive:

How does my suspicion feel "forced"?

Yeah, Nacho was acting weird and generally useless, that was part of the reason I wanted to lynch him.

I'm also not really happy about you voting Spyrex just based on WIFOM pulled out of the posts of a dead scum. What do you think about Spyrex's play itself?

[Anon]

It feels forced in a "I dont like it" way, very gutsy, doesnt feel natural. I cant explain my gut.

Aout Spyrex, lol, are you serious yosa? Im chasing Spyrex even before nacho was lynched. What do you think of his play compared with others play from him, both alignments? Lurking is a scumtell for him, yes or no? Not being a natural leader is a scumtell for him, yes or no?

The Nacho post is just the cherry on the top.

What valid conclusion can you get from Nacho's posts, Yosarian?

[Anon]

This is how I see Spyrextown:

Ive read tons of games with Spyrex town. Natural leader, trying to get a good grip of the wagons and commenting a lot of what there had to be commented. Never never in the life you see him as town posting two lines in his first post in a game, never in the life you see him lurking in day 1, even if the day lasted minutes. He knows that as town he is very likely to get night killed so he has to play day 1.

[SpyreX]

While wrong, the vote analysis was again a far, far, FAR better argument than this one.

As stupid as it is I hope someone goes ahead and DOES look at this in detail because my lord.

(and seriously aside from the beginning of the game which threw down on a friday whaattttt lurking)

[Anon]

I knew I was forgetting something.

Hey Spyrex, why I am scum?

[SpyreX]

Partially process of elimination.

Partially focusing on this faabulous meta versus your "better" avenue.

Partially the fact you've been clamoring all over me since like post 6.

Partially the unsubstantiated lurker callout (which is even awesomer considering the fact you're trying to use meta)

Partially the bizarro SpyreX MUST BE SCUM AND KMD MUST BE TOWN SEE SEE confirmation bias and the beautiful subsequent posts.

and... partially the fact this is being brought up when I'm voting for starbuck?

[Anon]

- POE, ok.

- Im not neglecting my better avenue for focusing just in my yes, awesome, meta case. Its still there, in my isos and for people paying attention. I just dont know what else to do to lynch you.

- OMGUS, ok.

- What is your town meta, Spyrex? Seriously now, are you playing to your town meta in this game?

- Kmd prob town and you prob scum just from analyzing one post its not an invention from moi. It has basis. Attacking a player while at the same time distancing from another one is a common technique from inexperienced mafia like Nacho.

- What does Starbuck even have to do with this?