Mini 931: Supreme Court Mafia (Game Over post 682)

[pman5595]

ah, yet another game I have made a lurker list. great.

Promised forced content: (here ya go camn)

Netopolis:

seems town. Good effort, good scumhunting.

Jason:

null to light town. went cuckoo over Jack, but then again most people did. Could imagine scumhunting being from scum, isn't OVERLY townish. But overall, gut town read.

Yosarian:

light to moderate scum read. Scum suspicions and town suspicions are both not backed up at all, possible buddying, jumps on bud wagon with no reasoning. A few posts about the posing habits of others, possibly trying to look town with little effort.

pman5595:

obv town

DarkLightA:

>.< ummm. I don't think scum would openly tunnel this much. Only thing I could think of is if he is a serial killer trying to distract town, but there was only one kill last night, and I can't see why the mafia wouldn't kill, so I'm guessing there isn't a serial killer. Insane read

Green Crayons:

Dry Fit:

slight to moderate town. questions others' suspicions. Like the pwnman vote

Darox:

Null. okay scumhunting, post with hammer on bub is a little wierd.

fishy:

: moderate town read. good questioning of the scumhunting of others, good scumhunting himself. Just a good vibe.

Jack:

Disagree with his methods, but he seems to have the right interests. Slight town.

Bub Bidderskins:

sorry

pwnman/camn

: This one is hard. pwnman played terribly, but camn came in, and although like for Jack I disagree with her methods, she seems slight town, and definitely more town that pwnman. Null for now.

Let's see. I have one scum read, and one insane read. Going to go with the scum read for now.

Vote: Yosarian2

[pman5595]

that emoticon is in the completely wrong place >.>

imagine it after "sorry"

[jasonT1981]

seems you have just latched onto Yosarian2 post above you were he says he has a bad feeling on me.

Do you really think so? Look over the two posts carefully.

I have... I still don't get where your suspicion is from..

Unless it was to do with my hammer comment on day 1... if thats the case I don't see that making me scum..

[Dry-fit]

After rereading the thread, Camn is still my top suspect. After his initial Jack vote, all of his posts were very short and were just defending himself. No follow-up on his vote, no opinions on anything, no nothing.

vote: Camn

My opinion of DLA also changed while rereading. He didn't say anything about any players other than Jack other than a quick "I see Bub as town." I really can't see how he could legitimately cling to his hopeless theory as town. It could be a plan to not have to take a stance on anything in the hopes of being cleared by people thinking "scum wouldn't tunnel this much."

I share pman's concern with Yosarian2. He never provided any reasons of his own for voting for Bub, or even echo others'. Just "Bub is clearly scum." Other than that just a buch of defending Jack. Really, he didn't scumhunt at all. This really bothered me:

I'm not sure what the problem is here. Pwnman's vote didn't look natural or like he was really suspicious of Jack's play. I don't need an opinion of the player being voted to see something fishy about the way a vote is placed.

I find it hard to think that you can come up with a meaningful opinion about someone's vote when you don't have a feeling about the player they're voting for. Of course, you're original assertion (that you "[didn't] like the way Pwnman and jason jumped on the Jack wagon. Pwnman moreso.") is far from meaningful. In fact, it's incredibly vague (which further underscores my posturing suspicion). Why did you not like pwnman's and jason's votes on Jack (now that you're clarifying your suspicion: what made it look unnatural)? Why pwnman's more so than jason's?



vote: Bub. I'm happy with this vote after reading the back and forths.

Green Crayons is still very obv town here.

What was the point of this post? Did anyone suspect Green Crayons for it, or did you see something to make you think they would? Did his post make him look more town? I don't know what you were going for.

[Yosarian2]

Yosarian:

light to moderate scum read. Scum suspicions and town suspicions are both not backed up at all, possible buddying, jumps on bud wagon with no reasoning. A few posts about the posing habits of others, possibly trying to look town with little effort.

No reasoning? I was quite clear about my suspicious of Bud all day. Granted, Darox explained what I was thinking before I did, and I encouraged him because I liked that he was becoming more active, but that hardly means that I had "no reasoning" for suspecting Bud. I'm pretty stunned Bud flipped town; I thought he was obv scum.

And that's hardly the only thing I commented on, either. It's simply false that my "town reads were not backed up at all". Now, my Jason read is gut; are you actually trying to claim here that having a gut read on soemone is a scum tell?

[Yosarian2]

I'm not sure what the problem is here. Pwnman's vote didn't look natural or like he was really suspicious of Jack's play. I don't need an opinion of the player being voted to see something fishy about the way a vote is placed.

I find it hard to think that you can come up with a meaningful opinion about someone's vote when you don't have a feeling about the player they're voting for. Of course, you're original assertion (that you "[didn't] like the way Pwnman and jason jumped on the Jack wagon. Pwnman moreso.") is far from meaningful. In fact, it's incredibly vague (which further underscores my posturing suspicion). Why did you not like pwnman's and jason's votes on Jack (now that you're clarifying your suspicion: what made it look unnatural)? Why pwnman's more so than jason's?



vote: Bub. I'm happy with this vote after reading the back and forths.

Green Crayons is still very obv town here.

What was the point of this post? Did anyone suspect Green Crayons for it, or did you see something to make you think they would? Did his post make him look more town? I don't know what you were going for.

Um, the point of the post was that green crayons was obv town. Are you disagreeing with me that he looked very pro-town in that post? Or are you one of those people who thinks that no one should ever share their town reads? I don't agree with that philosaphy, personally.

[camn]

After rereading the thread, Camn is still my top suspect. After his initial Jack vote, all of his posts were very short and were just defending himself. No follow-up on his vote, no opinions on anything, no nothing.

vote: Camn

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Finals week, things get short.
What is your case? I would love to defend myself.

c

[camn]

PS.. I agree with Yos. Those things he did do not scum make.

[camn]

Oh, and sorry for the triple post.. but did I really vote for Jack, Dry-Fit?

I tried to crack some scum out of him.. but frankly, he responded very townie, and my suspicion level fell substantially.
But if you say I voted for him... ?

[pman5595]

if you say it is a gut read, then it is not a scum tell.

What I got from ISOing you was that you were giving opinions on people without backing them up, possibly to avoid the spotlight, but still saying things like "I would like to hear more from so-and-so" to look town.

[camn]

That is what Yos does as town.
I doubt that Yos-scum would have gone all obv-town on GC, and then killed him.
If he was going to waste time buddying up to a townie... he would have kept him alive.

[DarkLightA]

Vote: Jack

/goes back to lurking

[Jack]

Kill:DarkLightA

[camn]

VOTE: DarkLightA

Still rings my scumdar, and that latest post doesn't help at all.

[Battousai]

Vote Count:

camn -3- Jack, Darox, Dry-fit
Yosarian2 -1- pman5595
Jack -1- DarkLightA
DarkLightA -1- camn

Not Voting:

Netopalis, jasonT1981, Yosarian2, Fishythefish

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch!

[jasonT1981]

Kill:DarkLightA

What exactlydoes this achieve?

[Jack]

Who is your biggest suspect Jason? You seem to be avoiding making a statement like that so far today.

[jasonT1981]

Right now my suspicion is still on Darklight from Yesterday.. his vote today is just off as well...

though why did you not aswer my question.

[jasonT1981]

you are still also yet to answer what makes you think I am the scum.....I read both those posts you mentioned and not once does it mention me as scum, your suspicion only came after someone else had mentioned me.

[Jack]

Right now my suspicion is still on Darklight from Yesterday.. his vote today is just off as well...

though why did you not aswer my question.

You're on a need to know basis.

you are still also yet to answer what makes you think I am the scum.....I read both those posts you mentioned and not once does it mention me as scum, your suspicion only came after someone else had mentioned me.

Both posts are timestamped 3:05

I think you're mafia because your suspicions of me and DLA sound more opportunistic than sincere, your statements about bub sounded like scum distancing themselves from the wagon and your "was that a hammer???" bit especially did. Your case on DLA is vague and you aren't really pushing it. You are accusing him of being mafia because he "just keeps saying jack is the SK", but you pushed that line of reasoning for a long time. The fact that you backed off isn't really a saving grace. That's a decent summary I suppose.

[jasonT1981]

Vote: Bub Bidderskins

I'm not answering your question for a very obvious reason.

So, why would you not answer again....

Given the way the hammer happened I am also suspicious of Darox, Jack.

[jasonT1981]

Also, add on how he jumped on the Camn wagon with ease and little explination.

Vote: Camn

I think this is a good way to go today.

.

Looking back ,I am confident enough to do this.

vote Darox

[Jack]

Vote: Bub Bidderskins

I'm not answering your question for a very obvious reason.

So, why would you not answer again....

Given the way the hammer happened I am also suspicious of Darox, Jack.

really?

The obvious reasons are that my suspects may easily change based on Bub's flip, they couldn't be lynched at that point anyway, and the big one, because I didn't want to influence the night kill.

[Jack]

Also, add on how he jumped on the Camn wagon with ease and little explination.

Vote: Camn

I think this is a good way to go today.

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Looking back ,I am confident enough to do this.

vote Darox

hahaha

You didn't look back at all, obviously, considering his camn vote is in the same post where he explains the hammer vote that you found oh so suspicious.

unvote:camn, vote:Jason

[jasonT1981]

Right now my suspicion is still on Darklight from Yesterday.. his vote today is just off as well...

though why did you not aswer my question.

You're on a need to know basis.

Again, with the need to know basis....

why are you hiding away from questions being asked of you AGAIN today?