Mini 944- Town Suav├® - TAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANK!!!!! (over)

[muzzz]

A Duck who wants a quick bandwagon isn't necessarily town, but a Duck who's not as free with his vote

is

scum. I'll even up you one and say that

anyone

who refuses to vote for reasons so craptastic as Duck's is scum.

[Locke Lamora]

I'm guessing you have no actual DuckScum meta that we can look at.

[dramonic]

I thought we had already established meta case are the root of all evil...
hello fellows.

[muzzz]

@Locke: no, I've never been in another game with Duck where he was scum.

But why do you care, anyway? There's bound to be some subtle difference in context that, by your logic, would require you to dismiss such meta.

[Parama]

Give me 3 good reasons Duck is scum based SOLELY on this game and I'll start listening.

He unvoted Ken for no good reason. He refuses to vote for no good reason. His activity dropped off the scale when he got pressured. And while I wouldn't consider it a scumtell myself, I imagine you'd be a bit peeved about him digging up meta as well.

Agree with #1.
#2 is pointless
#3 is a serious problem.
You did #4 as well so you're being a hypocrite if you're calling him out for using meta arguments.

I thought we had already established meta case are the root of all evil...
hello fellows.

QFT.
Hello Dramonic, you are now officially the person whom I have played the most games with. Congrats.
Interested in your thoughts, considering McFlaker never posted any.

[Locke Lamora]

muzzz: because your assumption is based on Duck not voting the same way as the one game you've played with him as town. If you could point to some scum meta, or even had fleshed out your case when you posted that quote, I'd feel better about your accusations. As it stands, it just looks to me like an easy snipe at Duck when he was already under pressure.

I might not be able to get on much for the next few days so just warning everyone that my posting may reduce for a short while.

Mod: possible V/LA until Monday.

[MrSuave]

Possible V/LA noted =D

[Nobody Special]

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@Special: I'll assume you're not voting Duck right now because you don't want him lynched just yet. But then why aren't you voting Ken as an alternative?

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Because I hate vote-hopping. I'd prefer if we targeted one player unto death.

If duckduck redeems itself, I'll certainly consider kenman, as he is second scummiest to me right now.

[ConfidAnon]

Because I hate vote-hopping. I'd prefer if we targeted one player unto death.

Tunnelling can be extremely dangerous.

[muzzz]

You did #4 as well so you're being a hypocrite if you're calling him out for using meta arguments.

I'd never call him out for that. I was trying to point out that

you

, by your own logic, should be calling him out for it.

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muzzz: because your assumption is based on Duck not voting the same way as the one game you've played with him as town. If you could point to some scum meta, or even had fleshed out your case when you posted that quote, I'd feel better about your accusations. As it stands, it just looks to me like an easy snipe at Duck when he was already under pressure.

I was the first person to mention the scumminess of his unvote, and the second person with a serious vote on him. He was under pressure that I helped build. I had all the case I needed, even before I posted that quote. A fact which you've been conveniently ignoring so far.

[Parama]

You did #4 as well so you're being a hypocrite if you're calling him out for using meta arguments.

I'd never call him out for that. I was trying to point out that

you

, by your own logic, should be calling him out for it.

If you brought it up as evidence of duckscum then that's calling him out for it. Using meta arguments yourself is hypocritical in that sense.

[Nachomamma8]

Duck's absense is only making me more confident. I'll start looking for the other scum, but my vote's not moving until he starts answering to the accusations against him.

[Nikanor]

Locke, you've been in a game with duckduck scum before. Granted, he replaced out before you replaced in, and it was ten months ago, but it's the meta you were asking for all the same.
P.S. It doesn't take a meta analysis to realise that duckduck is scum.

My suspicions are divided between Kenman and duckduck. I highly doubt they're a team, obviously.

I would like to hear more from duckduck about what he thinks about kenman.

Your suspicions are divided, eh? May I ask why? You haven't given reasons for suspecting either of them.
Also, your second paragraph here looks like fake scumhunting.

All I see from NS is fake scumhunting and active lurking. NS will be tomorrow's lynch if I die tonight, 'kay? Thanks.

Scum pegged by Nikanor so far:
duckduck
Nobody Special
One of the lurkers (maybe dramonic?)

[dramonic]

I'm not a lurker until I get to actually post ;p

[Nikanor]

Okay, NOW you're a lurker.

I just put your name down because your spot posted the least. It could just as easily be Coheed or someone else like that.

[MrSuave]

About 24 hours before duckduck gets replaced. If anyone has any ideas of anyone, give me a shout.

[Nikanor]

SpyreX! Tell him I suggested his name.

[muzzz]

I'm sure Spyrex will be thrilled to hear you suggested him for the L-2 spot

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If you brought it up as evidence of duckscum then that's calling him out for it. Using meta arguments yourself is hypocritical in that sense.

I didn't bring it up as evidence of duckscum, as I've said twice now. All I've done is remind you of your own logic. Funny how people need reminding of something like that, but whatever...

As long as you start voting Duck you can call me whatever you want afterwards.

[Parama]

SpyreX has already been in enough of my games recently. I need a break from the awesome.
muzzz, you brought it up because you felt duckduck was playing differently from that game, thus you felt it made him look scummier. This is the attack you made using meta.

[Nikanor]

SpyreX has already been in enough of my games recently. I need a break from the awesome.

Too late.

[DTMaster]

ACK. Sorry. I fell behind. DTM catch up post is ago!
@Nikanor
Goose (because I read your vote)!

Wait a minute. Nikanor!

OBJECTION!

/ Phoenix Wright @ this quote

Parama, you realize that duckduck

attacked

Kenman with meta, right? The whole reason for why I want him lynched is because duckduck attacked Kenman with a meta argument, and even said something along the lines of, 'that's one more reason to be suspicious of him,' meaning that duckduck is suspicious of Kenman's actions without voting Kenman (or anyone at all. It might be forgivable if he were voting muzzz or something, but he's not voting anyone atm), making duckduck scum. The lurking from duckduck now is just icing on the cake.

Really, I thought this was obvious.

Meta argument on page four? *Facepalm*

Hey you posted the above in response to Duckduck's meta call right?

People go back to page 4: Muzz also posted a meta attack

As further evidence of Duck's scumminess, I'd like to present meta from DuckTown in Mafia 94:

Vote Spolium

Bandwagon FTW!

Again: What makes this meta argument more valid then Ducks? In your initial page 4 point against Duckduck: You frowned upon Duck's meta call on Ken. This is similar to Muzz's meta call on duck.

I see no indication on where you mentioned any intention of Duck's lack of voting, and weak argument. It looks entirely like you pieced together with the arguments from Muzz, Nacho (called out on Duck's lack of voting), Nobody (Prod Duck please!) with a hint of ConfidAnon and CoheedCambria09, and LL, and who ever else I'm missing on the Duck wagons.

Arguments are obvious once everyone else made them Nikanor. IGMEOY

@Muzz

I'd never call him out for that. I was trying to point out that you, by your own logic, should be calling him out for it.

Wait are you trying to say that: we should be making your arguments for you? (see above) That's totally leaving a ton of back doors for you to escape your arguments with: "Oh I didn't say that, you took my idea and ran with it". + scum points.

@Nobody

Because I hate vote-hopping. I'd prefer if we targeted one player unto death.

Scumdar is ringing off the bells here. In a tunnel heavy environment, scum thrives because if said lynch went through: we'd be resetting our reads every day. My personal theory: Scum hates it when we get a collective list of reads, and votes, and do a VC analysis. Rereads nail them. Tunnel reduce the effectiveness of rereads.

Going to post my Muzz and Nacho responses together in my next post since it goes well to answer both their questions at once (since it deals with duckduck). Pending page 5 questions ago!

[DTMaster]

Also there can never be enough awesome in this game: We should totally invite DGB and have an awesome fest here.

[MrSuave]

After the town lunch at Tony Suavé's...

dramonic: I still can't believe that I have to go through this again.

Nik: I know right? Well at least you have some experience under your belt.

dramonic: This is true.

Coheed: Anyway

*burp*

that was a good meal I must say.

muzzz:

*sigh*

Yeah, that was some of the best chicken I've ever tasted! I mean, I've always liked Tony Suavé's but this was exceptional!

NS: Agreed. I wonder who cooked it though...

dramonic: What do you mean?

NS: Well, all of the chefs of the town died. The only one who might be able to cook is Nacho. Hey Nach, did you cook this great meal for us?

Nacho: Who do you think I am, your mother?

NS: No I guess not... then who...

The town ponders this for a while until they hear someone come out of the kitchen.

SpyreX: Well hello everyone. Did you enjoy your meal?

DTM: Who ARE you?

SpyreX: Who am I!? WHO AM I!? I am the guardian of lost souls! I am the POWERFUL, THE PLEASURABLE, THE INDESTRUCTIBLE SPYREX!

DTM: Uh hu... Well Welcome to the town! Now we have an extra body right?

NiK: Where's duckduck?

Somewhere in the woods...

*BAM*

Dog: Shehehehe!

DD: STOP SHOOTING AT ME!

*Bam*

DD: I SAID STOP!

*Bam*

DD: @#&$%!!!

*Bam*

Dog: Shehehehe!

DD: SHUT IT!

Back in Town Suavé...

DTM: Dunno, but who cares anyway. He was never around.

Town: Hmm... yeah, yeah...

Nik: Well Spy - I can call you spy right? - Wanna take duckduck's place, and at the same time cook for us?

SpyreX: Sure, why not.

muzzz: Just try not to die.

SpyreX: Huh? Die?

dramonic: Long story... =___=;

And once again someone(SpyreX) joins the ranks of the town, just in time to cook them a meal.

SpyreX Replaces duckduck96

[SpyreX]

So, I get the "I may need you to replace into this game" business. So, I decide to take a read.

Then I look and by page ohh... 4? I knew deep in my heart I was replacing duck.

So, lets get this out of the way:

I'm not duck. I'm unable to answer why duck lost his mind. I am, however, town. If you're gonna push on me for Sins of the Father well go for it - but I guarantee that the first "ohh yea this AND duck" is gonna be a scum move.

I will give you this though:

duckduck96 (5) CoheedCambria09, Nachomamma8, muzzz, ConfidAnon, Nikanor
muzzz (3) DTMaster, Parama, Locke Lamora
Not Voting: Dramonic, Kenman, duckduck96, Nobody Special

See that last naughty group. That not voting one? Yea. There's a scum there. For sure. There may even be two - namely, Ken / NS.

You'll get more details from me when my buddy leaves from his vacation but I'll be around at least some.

[dramonic]

You're totally stlking me.