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Elmocrates Townie
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I would say "Look! you're doing it again!" but at this point we are starting to get circular and this argument has gone past the point of diminishing returns. I don't think you are scum and I don't have particular reason to think Jack is town so I am officially dropping this.
If you want, we can continue talking about this after the game.
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all these arguments are stupid. cyberbob's post is scummy. bob is scum please kill himCyberbob wrote:Sorry about the posting gap, Easter weekend is a busy one for me.
I'll post something more substantial tomorrow (too tired to focus on very many things atm) but I do want to just look at this:
And say lol? I don't even know how to react to this becausekmd wrote:I'm scum and don't want people to realize you've figured out my entire scum team's plot to make you look as bad as possible by piling every single one of our votes on you.nobodyis dumb enough to say this unsarcastically; but on the other hand you aren't showing any objective signs of actually being sarcastic.hatersgonnahate.gif-
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Budja Mafia Scum
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^ that is suss as Cyberbob has no such reaction over's Elscouta claim.
FoS Cyberbob
@Elmo, Jack joined years ago and has over 2k posts. I would assume he wasn't just a VI.
Zito's lurker hunt amuses me. Your being alittlehypocritical there. So what you think of xvart? Jack? etc. (That kind-of grammatically sucks )-
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I never said that with you it was all games iSensFan wrote:
I'm going to call bullshit on this. I've talked with very good players who have played (and read) multpile games of mine, and all of them have told me I don't have any meta tells. More importantly, I just checked every single game I've played on this site and not been replaced in; xofelf was in only 2 of those. I was Town in one of them, and killed N0 in the other (also as Town).xofelf wrote:But whoever it was that said i was focusing too much on play is right. I probably am. Except in the past games i've played with them, both Sens and KMD the way they play each game more often than not reveals their role. They react differently to the exact same thing depending on their alignment that game. That would be why i was asking about it so early on. Even the way they react to the questions posed to them does more than they think on reads. And that is all i'm going to say at this time about that.
So yeah, no way I buy that someone of xofelf's experience has any meta tells on me.Unvote, Vote: xofelfplayedwith you that gave me that. You had me read a few games where you weren't town to show me just how badly you fooled them. Also, did you count the games NOT on this site that you and i have played?
I never said you had a meta either. Because, you're right, you don't. BUT the way you respond to everything is different each game depending on alignment in every case i've seen.
No i'm not using previous games. I'm using what i know of you as person, and how you react outside of game to the games. Did you not notice which players i apply the same tactic to? The only ones i have ever known and seen outside of these forums.Xalxe: this is xofelf sometimes we call each other names and other times we share emotions
MattyP: Ur an enigma tho when it comes to circadian rhythm and the traditions we hold dear when it comes to the sun and the moon
Get to reknow a xofelf here
Discord is faster than PMs or sitechat: xofelf#1697-
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Yes. Xofelf pretty clearly said "Exceptin the past games i've played with them". So Sens with his "more importantly" is off base.
Although I can see how you would read it the wrong way, because if you start at the beginning "But whoever...", it isn't as clear how "Except" is being used. Sometimes people say except instead of "but". But for that to be the case she would need to have said "Exceptthat".
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ooba Jack of All Trades
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Post 7:
Tries too hard to make sure its not a random vote?
Post *1:
Think xvart is joking here about the claimed scum bit
Post 41:
Not sure which parts of this post are meant to be funny and which parts serious
Post 44:
An FoS seems like an over reaction. I'm having a terrible time reading if people are joking or not
Post 45:
When you consider the fact that not random voting almost always without fail draws suspicion on the perpetrator, why in the world would scum not random vote?. WIFOM
Post 46/47/48:
Wow - can't believe that vote was serious ..
Post 52:
Cyberbob - not seeing much in either Elscouta (where he gives his reason as to why he doesn't think so) or xvart (where he doesn't).
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Got to agree with this. Sign your names or be prepared to be attacked on issues like this
Post 55:
"Sens: I assume you believe anti-town ≠ scummy. Why anti-town before scummy? Would you lynch someone for being anti-town before scummy?" - I think Sens meant that during Day 1, he would vote for anti-town actions before he eventually voted for scummy actions which he finds.. Correct me if I'm wrong
Post 60:
Oh. Guess I was wrong. Then why not just lynch the worst lurker on Day 1?
Post 62:
This is more hindsight than anything else - but I like this post from xvart - gives me town vibesxvart wrote:
Well for starters it shows I'm serious about it; and second, there seems to be a leading bandwagon going so I think that is useful scrutiny.Elmocrates wrote:xvart: How exactly is just throwing a vote out applying useful scrutiny?
xvart.
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Do not like this post. I think claiming scumbuddy just serves to confuse the town and is anti-town in some measures. (irrespective of whether town people are as likely to do it as scum). Comparing it with a neutral action like signing the name at the bottom of the post is ridiculousElmocrates wrote:
There's nothing in signing your name at the bottom of each post that's inherently town, either - that's obviously not sufficient to suspect someone. It has to be, you know, actually suspicious. Do you find it suspicious?xvart wrote:I don't see any thing in claiming scum/scumbuddies to be inherently town.
Post 7*:
Whats wrong with serious votes in RVS stage - we get over random voting faster and actual discussion can start
FOS: Starbuck
Post 9*:
Iecerint: Why cant you let Starbuck answer questions directed to him?
Post 94:
Wow. I thought Sens play was decent. Lots of negative emotions. Forced?
Post 99:
Post by J-Scope resonates with most of my thoughts.
Post 102:
And I thought I had a town read on xvart. Maybe a townie who is overdefensive.
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"t's sad how you can never read me." - Why attack the player instead of the actual argument behind what he said?
Note to self: Got to read the game they're talking about later. Why does starbuck argue against it so much - easiest thing to do is to accept it and move on ..
Post 1*2:
Hmm
I'll wait till Jack replies on the "breadcrumb"
Now that I've caught up - I think I'llUnvote. Vote: Papa Zito. More content as to who you feel is scummy instead of pointing out lurkers please.-
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Cyberbob Mafia Scum
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To be honest I haven't really been reading much, the last day or two have pretty much been one thing after another IRL (mostly due to Easter family gatherings) and I haven't been able to be very active on the internet at all. There's nothing on today (ironically enough given that it's Easter Sunday) so I will be able to read everything and actually get back into the game proper.Budja wrote:^ that is suss as Cyberbob has no such reaction over's Elscouta claim.
FoS Cyberbob-
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Papa Zito Jack of All Trades
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Glad you're amused. It's a game, after all.Budja wrote:Zito's lurker hunt amuses me. Your being alittlehypocritical there. So what you think of xvart? Jack? etc. (That kind-of grammatically sucks )
I haven't gotten much of anything out of these pages. Everything's too splintered. I can say I'm fairly confident that xofelf is scum though... lots and lots of talking about playstyles and meta and other crap. Have an iso look.
I'd be voting there if I didn't think MehPlusRawr's lurking (is that a hydra?) was more egregious.KappaJust MonikaAge is a very high price to pay for maturity.-
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Budja Mafia Scum
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It is a game ... that we generally fight tooth and nail to win (or at least try to (most-times)).
I see your point on xofelf (meta back and forth with sens is only content)
However, the fact you see an inactive lurker to be more worth your vote is just plain odd.J-Scope wrote: MehPlusRawr has confirmed but not posted on the site since Thursday. Not worth a vote now.
If you are looking for interesting things to comment on:
xvart seems to compulsively misrep/generalise. Agree/disagree? Scummy or not?
Jack made a random cop breadcrumb comment and and produces little content. I found that scummy. Do you agree?
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Elmocrates Townie
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The avatar is epic. Thanks!Iecerint wrote:By Elmo's logic, cops should claim D1, because protective roles will be able to find them, anyway.
Can we please please not abbreviate Elmocrates as Elmo? That's going to get confusing fast. (I assume that and not just please read the post sig.) Thanks.Budja wrote:@Elmo, Jack joined years ago and has over 2k posts. I would assume he wasn't just a VI.
Iecerint: Did you think it was likely that JackScum would (future tense) do that? (I am not asking if you think Jack is likely scum given that he did that.) I don't read anything into Jack's comment; that said, I'm not terribly enamoured with his play thus far, so I'm not going to defend him.
I mean, I waited to see what she'd say, but I read this post and immediately thought that she had probablyxofelf wrote:
I never said that with you it was all games iSensFan wrote:I just checked every single game I've played on this site and not been replaced in; xofelf was in only 2 of those.{..}So yeah, no way I buy that someone of xofelf's experience has any meta tells on me. Unvote, Vote: xofelfplayedwith you that gave me that. You had me read a few games where you weren't town to show me just how badly you fooled them. Also, did you count the games NOT on this site that you and i have played?readgames you were in. I fairly regularly follow games that have players I'm interested in or happen to know. This just looks really thin, since there's no way you can reasonably know for sure whether she's seen your play as scum or not.
That's a very odd way to put it, in particular. Even if she did actually (or thought she did) have a meta tell on you, you'd be arguing that she'sSensFan wrote:So yeah, no way I buy that someone of xofelf's experience has any meta tells on me.wrong. The only case where it's important that she doesn't actually have a tell on you is if you're scum in this game.
I'm sorry, what definition of metagaming are you using, then? That's pretty much the (or an) exact definition of having a meta. Again, why aren't you willing to say more than what you've already said?xofelf wrote:I never said you had a meta either. Because, you're right, you don't. BUT the way you respond to everything is different each game depending on alignment in every case i've seen.
Do you not think that might be a sign of sarcasm?Cyberbob wrote:I don't even know how to react to this because; but on the other hand you aren't showing any objective signs of actually being sarcastic.nobodyis dumb enough to say this unsarcastically
It isn't, they both meet the criteria he laid out for suspecting Elscouta, which are therefore clearly wrong, as I said in the post you just quoted. I've never said they're similar beyond that.ooba wrote:Do not like this post. I think claiming scumbuddy just serves to confuse the town and is anti-town in some measures. (irrespective of whether town people are as likely to do it as scum). Comparing it with a neutral action like signing the name at the bottom of the post is ridiculous
There's a good quarter of the game not doing much.
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Cyberbob Mafia Scum
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Alrighty, so this post is basically gettingbackuptospeed.txt:
Starting reading from my post on the 2nd, which is Post 64:- Elmocrates' Post 66 makes some strong points against xvart, more specifically the ones about his lack of pressure on Elscouta after putting his vote down.
- Starbuck's Post 73 makes another good point though I would have liked it if she'd gone a bit further into who specifically she thinks was being opportunistic.
- xvart's Post 79 is logically coherent enough (as long as you accept the rather iffy premise about Elscouta's intentions) but his response to Elmocrates' aforementioned point about his lack of pressure feels really disingenuous. It also took an explicit statement from Elscouta about the meaning of his post for xvart to finally get what almost everyone else had ages ago.
- Kmd's Post 84 is a good one.
- I disagree with Iec's Post 86, or at least his argument about Kmd's treatment of Sens' point. If I saw someone consistently doing something I found very scummy/antitown I would try and stamp that behaviour out with policy lynches.
- Agree with Drippereth's Post 90 in the sense that Starbuck was certainly defending Elscouta but I don't know if I'd say that they're definitelyscumbuddies if one of them is scum. Townies attack what they perceive to be bad cases all the time.
- Don't like xofelf's Post 94. Gut feeling.
- I wish J-Scope would have gone into a bit more detail about why he has a town read on xvart in Post 99. He does put into words rather nicely my feeling about xofelf's post however.
- I don't like the way xvart keeps portraying other people's arguments in stupidly outlandish rhetorical questions. Kinda smells of strawmanning IMO.
- Starbuck's Post 103 is nice in that she finally goes into who she was talking about and why she isn't voting them, but I would've liked a little more than two one-liners.
- Don't like all the talk about previous games and whatnot in the middle of Page 5, I don't really see that it has much relevance to this one.
- Wow, ooba's reasoning for voting xvart in Post 128 is terrible.
- Both FeFiFoFum's and Anon's votes for xvart in Posts 144 and 145 respectively are pretty lazy.
- I wish SensFan wouldn't be so caught up in discussing meta tells, but like the RVS chat earlier that's a matter of playstyle I guess. Would still be nice if he could find some time to talk about something else.
- xvart does a good job of explaining himself in Post 152 I feel, it would have been handy of him to do so earlier though considering how much attention he has continued to tie up (that is now apparently invalid).
- The Page 7 discussion about breadcrumbing is almost totally incoherent; the non sequiturs are flying thick and fast from all sides. I would love to know where the hell Jack came up with the cop-word though.
- Don't like SocioPath's vote in Post 171. This game is building a very long list of lazy votes.
- Budja's Post 172 is playing both sides of the fence bigtime.
- I still don't get Kmd's comment in Post 175 that I highlighted earlier. I must be thick.
- Cobalt has been absolutely useless. 4 posts all game, two of them being nothing more than unvote/votes and the other two being nonsensical oneliners.
- Re Budja's 202: Elscouta's "claim" was really stupidly obviously referring to a previous game from the very beginning. Kmd's is clearly just as obviously something similarly innocuous; can someone explain to me what that is?
- More metachat (and nothing else) from xofelf in Post 203. Talk about something else please.
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Cyberbob Mafia Scum
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I like both wagons. Is that bad?Cyberbob wrote:Budja's Post 172 is playing both sides of the fence bigtime.
It seemed like an appropriate response to xvarts generalizations (I'm beginning to like that word.). (of course KMD ought to answer).Cyberbob wrote:Kmd's is clearly just as obviously something similarly innocuous; can someone explain to me what that is?
...but I get what you meant now.-
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ooba, please note the author of the posts in the future. i don't really know who you're referring to and can't be bothered to check all of them, frankly. if you want people to read your allusions, adding ATTN-type information is helpful.
Which question are you talking about? Do you mean Elli's scumlink? I jumped in because I had reason to believe it was invalid for a reason that Elli probably didn't know about. This is a habit of mine. Prevents us from wasting time on stuff I know is not fruitful. I suppose it kinda backfired this time, but w/e. <_<
Elmo, I was personally surprised to see Jack do that. He has seemed highly perceptive in my prior experience with him. I think he wouldn't have done that as town without an expected short-term payoff. When it didn't come, scumJack became the default assumption. His decision to avoid the issue since then makes me pretty comfortable with my assumption.
HOWEVER
Complete bull from Cyberbob. I'm sort of focusing in on the part about me, but that part is crap. Namely, I didn't say policy lynches were bad; I said policy lynches are different from SF's vote IMO. Also, the vote that follows is like LOL-inducing OMGUS IMO. His only allusion to Cobalt is to claim that he is "useless," whereas one of said posts points out a totally reasonable inconsistency in CB's behavior. (Well, at least a respond-to-able one.) He also ignores the Iec-Jack issue 100%, which possibly implies an unfavorable Jack connection.
Also, LOL @ complaining about the "uselessness" of Cobalt in a catchup post. XD Still, fair enough @ Cobalt only posting a little I guess.
HMM.
Unvote; Vote: Cyberbob. I think Budja's point about the discrepancy between Cyberbob's behavior relative to Els and Kmd was shaky-ish, but CB's failure to address it looks bad. Also, what he DID address looks bad. I can't speak for the aspects of his bulleted list that I can't be bothered to read through right now; correct me if there's isolated brilliance in there somewhere, please.
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@Cyber, This is "sleazy waffling" . Elaborate please?Budja wrote: Why do more votes make this wagon look tempting .
Proof to me you are more useful than xvart or I might just switch.
^generic agreement with SpyreX. I meant to mention Jacks latest useless post before but it got lost somehow.
@Iec, the point I raised against Cyber was answered (albeit not entirely clearly).-
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^ Really? Find it for me, please. Did not see.-
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EBWOP: Do you mean 206? Because his text literally has nothing to do with your point AFAIK. Here is how the whole narrative goes:
Cobalt: VOTE CB
*time passes*
Cobalt: UMM GUYS CB IS SCUM CUZ (etc.)
Budja: LOLYA. FOR EXAMPLE, (etc.)
CB: HI GUYS. IT IS EASTER. THEREFORE, I WILL CATCH UP LATER!
CB: CATCH-UP POST! HOWEVER, I WILL REFRAIN FROM ADDRESSING COBALT/BUDJA'S ISSUE! BUDJA AND COBALT ARE SCUM THO! I WILL VOTE COBALT BECAUSE HE IS USELESS! (HERE ARE SOME OTHER FACTS ABOUT THE GAME SO THAT THIS IS NOT PURELY AN OMGUS POST.)
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Agree. Not. No (scum generally better off just killing cop).Budja wrote:xvart seems to compulsively misrep/generalise. Agree/disagree? Scummy or not?
Jack made a random cop breadcrumb comment and and produces little content. I found that scummy. Do you agree?
CyberBob, I believe kmd was mocking this comment of xvart:xvart wrote:Knowing my alignment and the target I put on myself I felt/feel that there are probably some scum on my wagon right now, so I started pushing back.
Really? You have problems with one bullet point, so it's complete bull? You do admit that you're looking at only that part, but why do you feel the need to call it complete bull? Seems uncalled for.Iecerint wrote:Complete bull from Cyberbob. I'm sort of focusing in on the part about me, but that part is crap.The great advantage of the tiger in unarmed combat is that he eats not only the raspberry-laden foe but also the raspberries.-
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Damn Iec. If I'd known that one dotpoint of disagreement on a fairly minor issue was going to draw that kind of a frenzy out of you I wouldn't have stopped there.
Have you even looked at Cobalt in isolation? I don't think you have.Iecerint wrote:His only allusion to Cobalt is to claim that he is "useless," whereas one of said posts points out a totally reasonable inconsistency in CB's behavior. (Well, at least a respond-to-able one.)
I think you're getting a bit full of yourself there broheim. You made like three posts (not including those dumb EBWOPs - I would advise taking the time to think your posts through fully before hitting Submit) about him, all of which either took way too many words to say what you were saying or were simply intellectual masturbation.Iecerint wrote:He also ignores the Iec-Jack issue 100%, which possibly implies an unfavorable Jack connection.
So you're writing paragraph after frenzied paragraph about my play but you can't even be bothered to read it. Nice one. In this one (1) case I will aid your illiteracy by quoting the part where I addressed Budja's point, but from now on I don't think it's too much to expect people to read my posts in a game of mafia.Iecerint wrote:Unvote; Vote: Cyberbob. I think Budja's point about the discrepancy between Cyberbob's behavior relative to Els and Kmd was shaky-ish, but CB's failure to address it looks bad. Also, what he DID address looks bad. I can't speak for the aspects of his bulleted listthat I can't be bothered to read through right now; correct me if there's isolated brilliance in there somewhere, please.Re Budja's 202: Elscouta's "claim" was really stupidly obviously referring to a previous game from the very beginning. Kmd's is clearly just as obviously something similarly innocuous; can someone explain to me what that is?
Hahaha, yeah okay. I guess that explains all the retarded LOL @'s, IMO's and XD's.Iecerint wrote:/drunkpost
yur rite thats totaly how it hapend!!1Iecerint wrote:Cobalt: VOTE CB
*time passes*
Cobalt: UMM GUYS CB IS SCUM CUZ (etc.)
Budja: LOLYA. FOR EXAMPLE, (etc.)
CB: HI GUYS. IT IS EASTER. THEREFORE, I WILL CATCH UP LATER!
CB: CATCH-UP POST! HOWEVER, I WILL REFRAIN FROM ADDRESSING COBALT/BUDJA'S ISSUE! BUDJA AND COBALT ARE SCUM THO! I WILL VOTE COBALT BECAUSE HE IS USELESS! (HERE ARE SOME OTHER FACTS ABOUT THE GAME SO THAT THIS IS NOT PURELY AN OMGUS POST.)
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Ah, okay. I wish he would quote the posts he's responding to, but that makes sense.Steam-Powered Shovel wrote:CyberBob, I believe kmd was mocking this comment of xvart:xvart wrote:Knowing my alignment and the target I put on myself I felt/feel that there are probably some scum on my wagon right now, so I started pushing back.-
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Sorry for the triple post, I missed this:
I look at it and all I see is someone setting himself up for a possible switch to another, more up-and-coming, wagon without running the risk of being called opportunistic. I feel more or less the same way about all those "well IBudja wrote:@Cyber, This is "sleazy waffling" . Elaborate please?mightvote X but then again I might not - and if I do/don't it's someone else's fault" posts. Say that you like both wagons, sure - that's hardly an uncommon phenomenon regardless of alignment. But as soon as you start waffling about which one you might end up hopping on that just comes off as deliberately setting yourself up to avoid suspicion no matter what happens.-
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