Antifinity
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PranaDevil
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May 2nd - 5:40 PM EST
That's beside the point, it's flimsy because he's claimed sodding Ramah! It hasn't been contested (and if he's lying... no, the real one shouldn't step forward until it's worth doing so), and thus he's not going to be scum in this game. Thus it's flimsy logic to focus on a good guy.Starbuck wrote:How is it flimsy? Besides the flavor clearly stating it, did you not take elementary science? What happens when a lightning bolt hits ANYTHING?
If I'm an SK, I probably killed N0. If I killed N0, I probably didn't blind anyone N0. So unless I can do both of those in a single night, I'm probably not SK -- and the kill flavor doesn't fit Ultros, anyway, IIRC.Glork wrote:What happens if you weren't aware that your target would be sent associated flavor?
I could feasibly see you making a fake Death Miller claim without knowing I would be sent anything, and then going "ohshit" when I claimed the goop/Blindness flavor.
Starbuck wrote:Mod: Can you please update the first post to reflect my entrance into the game? TY. <3
Ramuh could be a safeclaim. I'm not saying he is scum, but it's pretty weak to assume that someone is telling the truth simply because they claim a character and are not counterclaimed.PranaDevil wrote:That's beside the point, it's flimsy because he's claimed sodding Ramah! It hasn't been contested (and if he's lying... no, the real one shouldn't step forward until it's worth doing so), and thus he's not going to be scum in this game. Thus it's flimsy logic to focus on a good guy.Starbuck wrote:How is it flimsy? Besides the flavor clearly stating it, did you not take elementary science? What happens when a lightning bolt hits ANYTHING?
Agreed, but it's just as weak to assume someone's not telling the truth purely because "they're lightning based".Kdub wrote:Ramuh could be a safeclaim. I'm not saying he is scum, but it's pretty weak to assume that someone is telling the truth simply because they claim a character and are not counterclaimed.PranaDevil wrote:That's beside the point, it's flimsy because he's claimed sodding Ramah! It hasn't been contested (and if he's lying... no, the real one shouldn't step forward until it's worth doing so), and thus he's not going to be scum in this game. Thus it's flimsy logic to focus on a good guy.Starbuck wrote:How is it flimsy? Besides the flavor clearly stating it, did you not take elementary science? What happens when a lightning bolt hits ANYTHING?
Robo was scum in Chrono Trigger Mafia.PranaDevil wrote:That's beside the point, it's flimsy because he's claimed sodding Ramah! It hasn't been contested (and if he's lying... no, the real one shouldn't step forward until it's worth doing so), and thus he's not going to be scum in this game. Thus it's flimsy logic to focus on a good guy.Starbuck wrote:How is it flimsy? Besides the flavor clearly stating it, did you not take elementary science? What happens when a lightning bolt hits ANYTHING?
In that instance then, all flavour should be discounted, and we can ignore the Iec wagon completely because it means nothing as well. Or are we saying it counts in one direction, and not the other?Glork wrote:Robo was scum in Chrono Trigger Mafia.PranaDevil wrote:That's beside the point, it's flimsy because he's claimed sodding Ramah! It hasn't been contested (and if he's lying... no, the real one shouldn't step forward until it's worth doing so), and thus he's not going to be scum in this game. Thus it's flimsy logic to focus on a good guy.Starbuck wrote:How is it flimsy? Besides the flavor clearly stating it, did you not take elementary science? What happens when a lightning bolt hits ANYTHING?
Why exactly should "Ramuh is a freaking good guy" mean anything?
You were the one who went "he claimed sodding Ramuh" and "he hasn't been counterclaimed" and "don't waste your time on a claimed 'good guy.'"PranaDevil wrote:Ramah is most likely to be good, any denying on that? No? Good. Therefore it's logical to consider that Ramah is unlikely to be on the mafia side... thus it's going to be completely bloody stupid to push a lynch on a guy who's claimed Ramah "'cuz Ramah is lightning n stuffs".
So yes, the logic in lynching a guy who claimed Ramah is flimsy until more information is gotten.
No, you were the one who went "he claimed sodding Ramuh" and "he hasn't been counterclaimed" and "don't waste your time on a claimed 'good guy.'"PranaDevil wrote:Ramah is most likely to be good, any denying on that? No? Good. Therefore it's logical to consider that Ramah is unlikely to be on the mafia side... thus it's going to be completely bloody stupid to push a lynch on a guy who's claimed Ramah "'cuz Ramah is lightning n stuffs".
So yes, the logic in lynching a guy who claimed Ramah is flimsy until more information is gotten.
I don't disagree with you in principle, but you're overstating it a little. Namely, it's not impossible that scum lack fakeclaims in a mini where the number of potentials roles are as large as this, and pro-town roles in-game tend on average to map onto pro-town on MS (high profile exception like HP mafia sort-of notwithstanding).Glork wrote:The good/bad nature of ANY character from the video games hasNOTHINGto do with their alignment in this game. The only use for flavor is to figure out who committed what actions, or who may be lying about their own actions.
I guess I draw different lines when it comes to flavor discussions. I've seen more than enough games go both ways that I never head into a game with premonitions that "good = protown" (or otherwise, for that matter). Even if site meta says "good guys tend to be protown," I feel that each game is independent of the last. I don't think a sitewide meta applies to this particular issue, but we may have to agree to disagree.Iecerint wrote:I don't disagree with you in principle, but you're overstating it a little. Namely, it's not impossible that scum lack fakeclaims in a mini where the number of potentials roles are as large as this, and pro-town roles in-game tend on average to map onto pro-town on MS (high profile exception like HP mafia sort-of notwithstanding).Glork wrote:The good/bad nature of ANY character from the video games hasNOTHINGto do with their alignment in this game. The only use for flavor is to figure out who committed what actions, or who may be lying about their own actions.
Glork wrote:
I'm going to state this as clearly as I possibly can, because if you are protown, you need to understand it as soon as humanly possible.
The good/bad nature of ANY character from the video games hasNOTHINGto do with their alignment in this game. The only use for flavor is to figure out who committed what actions, or who may be lying about their own actions.
But aren't you saying the same thing, just in the opposite sense? You are saying someone is likely town for flavor reasons (they claimed a good guy), then you say other flavor (the lightning thing) is not a good reason to suspect him. That is what I was getting at.PranaDevil wrote:It's like you're saying flavour in one direction is "good" and flavour in another direction is "bad".
Well, the flavour kill I'm not sure. The white tornado though does NOT sound like Exdeath in any way, shape or form to me. Let's agree it's not white wind.FC Groningen wrote:The "Reduced to nothing"? Any leads on that?