Lay of Leithian Mafia: Game Over!

[Elscouta]

WTF Els?
How would J-Scope claiming not help this situation.. ?

How would it help? He claimed he didn't target farside. No more information is needed.

You never responded to my find of the Silmaril.

I was reading the wikipedia page of Beleg. I don't see any mention of the silmaril there, and I don't remember anything about the event you are quoting. Could you give a link?

Vote Count 2 - 06: Lynch

Nachomamma8 - 1 - Jack
J-Scope -

6

- FeFiFoFum, Budja, Iecerint, SpyreX, Cobalt, Starbuck
FeFiFoFum - 5 - J-Scope, curiouskarmadog, Steam-Powered Shovel, Elscouta, MehPlusRawr
Elscouta - 1 - Cyberbob

Not Voting (9): Drippereth, Papa Zito, xvart, Anon, Nachomamma8, SensFan, SocioPath, Kmd4390, ooba

With 22 players alive it'll take 12 to lynch and 11 to no-Lynch.

[FeFiFoFum]

give a link to what? I cant link you to my mail

You are obviously not an elf because you would know that all elves can get the silmaril

[ooba]

Hmm. I still it might be the elaborate scum gambit of
a) Scum can self kill - farside chooses to self kill (I cannot watch that)
b) One other scum claims watcher on another scum
c) Town lynches J-Scope. FFFF and farside become "confirmed townies" - After all you can just keep reviving them .. 2 scum continue to the end game

I cannot see scum just claiming watcher on a townie .. A 1-1 trade off is never good ..

[Jack]

That just seems unlikely ooba. And FFFF would totally claim what he did as scum.

[Iecerint]

Wow, now things are totally insane.

Unvote

.

J, what's not genuine about that? I was operating on the assumption that scum wouldn't put themselves into a 1/1 with town.

Let me see if this is all correct:

FFFF watched Farside and found that J-Scope targeted him ONLY. He later amended that he watchtrack'd Farside via Silmaril and found that J-Scope was implicated ONLY.

ooba also watched Farside and found that no one was targeting Farside.

J-Scope targeted Jack. Jack's information is consistent with that.

Positing that everyone were town, this would mean:
1. farside targeted J-Scope (we can learn about this after she's revived)
2. FFFF targeted farside
3. ooba targeted farside
4. J-Scope targeted Jack
5. farside died without being targeted OR farside was delay-killed

However, this is impossible, because both FFFF and ooba have reported that they targeted farside last night AND that the other player didn't target farside last night. There is no reason to believe that they couldn't see the other watcher. So I think at least one of FFFF and ooba has to be lying. The more likely liar is FFFF on the basis of his claim having to be amended (why not just claim trackerwatcher up-front? or, knowing that you're a trackerwatcher, why accuse J-Scope on the basis of a positive result?).

Vote: FFFF

.

[Iecerint]

Ooba's circumstance is not impossible, but it nonetheless would indicate that FFFF is scum, so I don't think it changes what we should do.

[FeFiFoFum]

I didn't claim trackerwatcher upfront because I didn't want people to know that I have the silmaril which They get if they kill me unless im lynched.

[Papa Zito]

I didn't claim trackerwatcher upfront because I didn't want people to know that I have the silmaril which They get if they kill me unless im lynched.

I don't suppose anyone else claims to have the silmaril?

You take issue with THAT over this sort of shit?

Yeah, it sounds really goofy.

[Drippereth]

Holy shit ooba.

I think you dropped your dentures on your keyboard.

Will vote FFFF as soon as the revive issue is confirmed.

revive: farside
destroy: xofelf

[curiouskarmadog]

just I am having problems with FFFFscum's play.

on the surface if he is scum, it is incredibly horrible play. Unless his purpose was to draw out counter claims and rolefish...that has been done. If that however, is the case, then the scum dont have a problem sacking one of their own to get this accomplished, which probably means that xof is town...or they feel like the FFFF loss will reep better benefits.

this being said.

the fact that Jack mostly confirms Jscope's action.

and ooba doesnt confirm FFFF's claim of jscope's action..

the choice seems to be obvious, right?

is there something I am missing...as starbuck, points out, I could be missing something else.

[ooba]

@j-scope: yes

We can take this as confirmation that you were in fact targeted by J-Scope last night?

[FeFiFoFum]

We lynch Esl. And See what comes of claims from me and ooba tomorrow to see how the counter claims and stuff line up

[FeFiFoFum]

BTW Jack: why do you have so many hard feelings from our last game together?

[FeFiFoFum]

EBWOP 836: Look at posts 710-714 and look at Els call for role and then els goes hypocritical and says im role fishing. Terribad.

vote Elds

[Jack]

@j-scope: yes

We can take this as confirmation that you were in fact targeted by J-Scope last night?

By someone. I assume J-Scope because he knew about it somehow.

BTW Jack: why do you have so many hard feelings from our last game together?

PYP or teleporter? Why would I have hard feelings?


I can see CKD as scum too from his posts today.

[Papa Zito]

EBWOP 836: Look at posts 710-714 and look at Els call for role and then els goes hypocritical and says im role fishing. Terribad.

vote Elds

.... wait.

But Since I have the Silmaril I am able to track as well.
I saw him Target Farside.

So you tracked him to Farside, and Farside died.

PLUS

didn't target farside, reading back.

PLUS

By someone. I assume J-Scope because he knew about it somehow.

= Elds vote?

[ooba]

What you targeted and saw, I should have been able to watch .. You haven't responded to this at all ..

Vote:FFFF

6 Votes if I counted right curiouskarmadog, Steam-Powered Shovel, Elscouta, MehPlusRawr, Iecerint, ooba.

Even if FFFF turns up scum, please do not discount the question as to

why he did it

. (I'd be really kicked if the scum team consists of FFFF, J-Scope, Farside - not sure about Jack since scum partners could have targeted Jack and J-Scope will know this info) - Lyncher on J-Scope is the only other reason why I can see him doing this ..

[Jack]

Even if FFFF turns up scum, please do not discount the question as to

why he did it.

WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT?!?!??!?!?!

NOW WE CAN'T GET ELLI BACK

dsfajskdlfjskdlf

[Papa Zito]

Even if FFFF turns up scum, please do not discount the question as to

why he did it

.

This is the part I'm struggling with.

Also, the fun thing is that he says he's an elf, so we don't get a flip right away.

[Steam-Powered Shovel]

I suspect understanding his motivation will be easier after he's dead (and destroyed if he is an elf) since that'll tell us about his powers. It's clear he's scum anyway.

Papa Zito, no Silmaril-fishing. If he does hold the Silmaril, then he could still easily be scum.

[SocioPath]

I didn't claim trackerwatcher upfront because I didn't want people to know that I have the silmaril which They get if they kill me unless im lynched.

I don't suppose anyone else claims to have the silmaril?

I take issue with this encouragement of more rolefishing.
FFFF is a sinking boat of scum trying to pull as much fish down with him as he can before he hits the bottom.

revive: farside
destroy: xofelf
Vote: FFFF

[Iecerint]

I didn't claim trackerwatcher upfront because I didn't want people to know that I have the silmaril which They get if they kill me unless im lynched.

That still doesn't make sense, because it sounds like (right?) your information didn't specify whether J-Scope was targeted or targeting. (I assume this because, if it did so, you would not have accused J-Scope, since you would have known he did not target farside.) So your Silmaril'd ability is arguably less powerful than your Silmaril-less ability (i.e. it increases the volume of information while decreasing what you know about it). In other words, there's no reason to believe that your hypothetical Silmaril-enhanced ability couldn't just be your normal ability, so you could have presented it as such.

And, assuming again that you didn't get tracker/tracked information, this also doesn't address why you'd frame your information as a guilty on J-Scope.

[Papa Zito]

Papa Zito, no Silmaril-fishing. If he does hold the Silmaril, then he could still easily be scum.

Oh don't be so lame. If someone else holds it then he's caught in a lie that no amount of crazy role shenanigans can explain away.

You too SocioPath.

[SocioPath]

Papa Zito, no Silmaril-fishing. If he does hold the Silmaril, then he could still easily be scum.

Oh don't be so lame. If someone else holds it then he's caught in a lie that no amount of crazy role shenanigans can explain away.

You too SocioPath.

And how would that work out?

A. He does have it, no one CCs, random person on lynch gets THE Silmaril.

B. He doesn't have it, someone CCs AND SIGNS THEIR OWN DEATH WARRENT, because FFFF will still get lynched, and the CCer is now NKbait, unless THEY are then lynched just to randomize THE SIlmaril again.

C. He doesn't have it, no one CCS, HE STILL GETS LYNCHED.


So if that is LAME to you, Zito, than so be it.
What is lame is, 'oh, I am only 95% sure that FFFF is scum, but I would like to bump that up to 99% while painting a target onto someone else's head.'

[Papa Zito]

A. You're a gimp.

A. So?
B. We guarantee good lynch and cut through all the BS. This is bad?

Oh shit I forgot this is a large theme. There are never protective roles in large themes. Dammit. You're right about the big target thing.

C. So?