Star Wars Mafia (Game Over)

[TwoHeadedCyclops]

Nothing hp leaves has done seems that suspicious to me. I feel this is another OMGUS reaction from Kast. Unless voting Kast is a scumtell I don't see what hp has done wrong besides not say much. At least killing me would've gained info though. What the hell do we get from this, Kast? If you're just looking to knock someone random off pick killa seven. repeat, PICK KILLA SEVEN.

[TwoHeadedCyclops]

Okay, caught up now. Reck, you need to calm your storm. The only other time I've seen you this jumpy and anxious has been in Halo where we were scum together. Wonder what that could mean here? Hmmm....

Either way, I'd like to throw my two cents in here. Scott Brosius in iso has as many posts as me, and has contributed even less. A rolefishing accusation is the only scumhunting he's done so far, and it's an easy claim for scum to make.

Unvote, Vote: Scott Brosius

hmm, I'm not liking the way you're throwing that shit at reck without any follow through. But I think that Brocious vote is agreeable enough.

unvote, vote: Scott Brocious

[FC Groningen]

Okay, caught up now. Reck, you need to calm your storm. The only other time I've seen you this jumpy and anxious has been in Halo where we were scum together. Wonder what that could mean here? Hmmm....

Either way, I'd like to throw my two cents in here. Scott Brosius in iso has as many posts as me, and has contributed even less. A rolefishing accusation is the only scumhunting he's done so far, and it's an easy claim for scum to make.

Unvote, Vote: Scott Brosius

Dude, have you seen your ISO? You've made 7 posts so far and the first 6 were regarding your RVS vote and your apparant lurking. So contributing less than you was impossible at that time and this case can be countered just as easily with "pot, kettle, black".

[Scott Brosius]

Okay, caught up now. Reck, you need to calm your storm. The only other time I've seen you this jumpy and anxious has been in Halo where we were scum together. Wonder what that could mean here? Hmmm....

Either way, I'd like to throw my two cents in here. Scott Brosius in iso has as many posts as me, and has contributed even less. A rolefishing accusation is the only scumhunting he's done so far, and it's an easy claim for scum to make.

Unvote, Vote: Scott Brosius

Uses history to support Reck being scum, but votes elsewhere.

Hmmm....

[wolframnhart]

This is w.r.t Wolf's role name. Do you agree with the claim for info on additional abilities of THC, Wolf?

I'm sorry i must have missed something/my head not on straight. What are you asking?

@Kast
And here I thought if Han Solo was going to be anything in this game it would have been a bus driver or commuter, shows how much ya can't out guess a mod. As for the shooting I'm reading neutral on HP so if you feel there is something there then go for it.

[bv310]

The point against Reck is an FOS, by the way. I still find Brosius worse, but not by much.

[Scott Brosius]

Okay, caught up now. Reck, you need to calm your storm. The only other time I've seen you this jumpy and anxious has been in Halo where we were scum together. Wonder what that could mean here? Hmmm....

Either way, I'd like to throw my two cents in here. Scott Brosius in iso has as many posts as me, and has contributed even less. A rolefishing accusation is the only scumhunting he's done so far, and it's an easy claim for scum to make.

Unvote, Vote: Scott Brosius

Uses history to support Reck being scum, but votes elsewhere.

Hmmm....

To explain, he calls out Reck for behavior similar to when he was scum in another game, but then votes me for having contributed less (lol) than him. This could be standard scum-distancing, chastising a player yet voting another.

[Wreck Star]

[Starbuck]

Just noting that THC is completely ignoring certain people.

[ReaperCharlie]

Either he flips town and then I trust he had reason not to do it, or he flips scum and then all of this doesn't really matter because the claim would be false anyway. Again, this sort off looks like rolefishing to me, but since HP will probably die anyway (unless Kast changes his mind again) I don't see how it would benefit you, even if you'd be scum.

Exactly. And sometimes even though I miss the blindingly obvious, I still don't understand if he had that important of a role why he wouldn't reveal it not to get Kast to kill him. Yes, he'd still die, but it'd free Kast up to kill someone equally as guilty, thereby not wasting hp's sacrifice.

Maybe hp's win condition is only met if he's lynched or something, IDFK. Ignore me if this all sounds psycho and over-paranoid to you. But it's what I'm thinking atm. I must be cursed with over-analysis. FML

Either way, I'd like to throw my two cents in here. Scott Brosius in iso has as many posts as me, and has contributed even less. A rolefishing accusation is the only scumhunting he's done so far, and it's an easy claim for scum to make.

Unvote, Vote: Scott Brosius

Uses history to support Reck being scum, but votes elsewhere.

Hmmm....

This is the weakest defense I have ever seen, and yet you don't even back it up with your vote. Sorry but that seems particularly scummy to me.

Unvote, Vote: Scott Brosius

[TwoHeadedCyclops]

[Starbuck]

Just noting that THC is completely ignoring certain people.

no kidding

[Kast]

@THC-
hp is against scumhunting. That's extremely anti-town. He has no interest in cooperating with town, and simply parks himself on a crap case with no attempt or interest in developing it or discussing it with others. Post threat of day vig, he refuses to claim or share thoughts.

@hp-
There are very few town roles that are beneficial to not claim. There is no town excuse for refusing to share final thoughts.

In the first place, your argument about contradictions is complete crap-logic.

In the second place, your theory has no connection or relevance to events in our current game. It is just empty posturing to mask your active lurking.

Not every contradiction is indicative of scum; however, your claim that this means contradictions cannot be used to find scum is unsupported and unjustified.

It is blatantly false to claim that everyone will make a contradiction simply by answering lots of questions. It is even more ridiculous to claim that everyone will make significant contradictions for the same reason.

Scum are forced to lie in this game by it's very nature. These lies can sometimes be identified and used to find scum; that's what we call tells. Scumhunting is the process of finding those tells. This usually happens by asking players questions and finding anything that looks odd in the response (particularly contradictions).

In our specific game, nobody has yet brought out any contradictions as tells, so your crap-case against me is already inapplicable absent from it's complete lack of logic. Your arguments to pre-empt such tells and discourage town from asking questions/discussion is blatantly anti-town.

Tie this with your refusal to defend yourself and your active lurking amounts to either scum, or town playing for a scum win.

Dayvig: hp [leaves]

[CryMeARiver]

@THC-
hp is against scumhunting. That's extremely anti-town. He has no interest in cooperating with town, and simply parks himself on a crap case with no attempt or interest in developing it or discussing it with others. Post threat of day vig, he refuses to claim or share thoughts.

@hp-
There are very few town roles that are beneficial to not claim. There is no town excuse for refusing to share final thoughts.

In the first place, your argument about contradictions is complete crap-logic.

In the second place, your theory has no connection or relevance to events in our current game. It is just empty posturing to mask your active lurking.

Not every contradiction is indicative of scum; however, your claim that this means contradictions cannot be used to find scum is unsupported and unjustified.

It is blatantly false to claim that everyone will make a contradiction simply by answering lots of questions. It is even more ridiculous to claim that everyone will make significant contradictions for the same reason.

Scum are forced to lie in this game by it's very nature. These lies can sometimes be identified and used to find scum; that's what we call tells. Scumhunting is the process of finding those tells. This usually happens by asking players questions and finding anything that looks odd in the response (particularly contradictions).

In our specific game, nobody has yet brought out any contradictions as tells, so your crap-case against me is already inapplicable absent from it's complete lack of logic. Your arguments to pre-empt such tells and discourage town from asking questions/discussion is blatantly anti-town.

Tie this with your refusal to defend yourself and your active lurking amounts to either scum, or town playing for a scum win.

Dayvig: hp [leaves]

Does this end the day?

[Kast]

Usually people complain that I post too much; what's up with this game?

[ReaperCharlie]

Hopefully not. I want to see his alignment, re-read the last 5 pages, and then lynch whoever looks the most evil based on their support/non-support of hp!

[Kast]

hp isn't as information rich as some, but he's by far the most actively anti-town player in the game.

[Kdub]

Midway through the day, as discussion is heating up, Kast stands up and points a blaster toward the back of the room. He pulls the trigger and a blaster bolt lances outward. At the sound of the shot, everyone turns their heads toward hp [leaves], who was in the back. He is still standing there, apparently unharmed.

Vote Count

d3x (1)

- AlmasterGM

farside22 (0)

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wolframnhart (0)

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ooba (1)

- DragonsofSummer

Kast (1)

- hp [leaves]

Toon Fighter (0)

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ReaperCharlie (2)

- ooba, Scott Brosius

hp [leaves] (0)

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CryMeARiver (0)

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Dragon Phoenix (2)

- CryMeARiver, FC Groningen

Wreck Star (0)

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killa seven (1)

- Vel-Rahn Koon

Vel-Rahn Koon (0)

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AlmasterGM (0)

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Scott Brosius (3)

- Wreck Star, bv310, TwoHeadedCyclops

danakillsu (0)

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totallynotmafia (0)

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FC Groningen (4)

- semioldguy, wolframnhart, Dragon Phoenix, totallynotmafia

semioldguy (0)

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TwoHeadedCyclops (0)

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DragonsofSummer (0)

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bv310 (0)

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No Lynch (0)

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Not Voting (7)

- Kast, killa seven, farside22, Toon Fighter, ReaperCharlie, d3x, danakillsu

22 votes available, 12 votes needed to lynch

Deadline is May 8, ~4 pm PDT

[Dragon Phoenix]

Well, that backfired.

So is this just a bluff and is the mod playing the game along, or is it a "naive" dayvig role? Or is hp daykill immune? Godfather perhaps?

[farside22]

unvote:
vote: hp leaves

Flavor leaves me to believe that Kast is not a delusional vig. I don't see immune to kills for anything but a GF or SK.

[ReaperCharlie]

OMFG WTF? My mind is trying its best to blow up. Remember that part in Cloud City where Han Solo tries to shoot Vader like 6 times, only to realize that he's no longer holding his blaster, Vader's holding it? That's exactly what this reminds me of. Who could do something like this but some crazy Jedi/Sith role? Makes no sense otherwise.

[wolframnhart]

SO are you trying to say he is scum reaper?

[ooba]

This is w.r.t Wolf's role name. Do you agree with the claim for info on additional abilities of THC, Wolf?

I'm sorry i must have missed something/my head not on straight. What are you asking?

Was addressed to Kast. He said fishing for your role name was not scummy as you had made an indirect claim already. So I asked him what he thought about RC asking for more info on other abilities you might have.

So is this just a bluff and is the mod playing the game along?

No - I do not think Kdub would do that. Will wait for hp's explanations on this.

[Scott Brosius]

Vote: hp[leaves]

Something clearly fishy about his survival. I doubt the mod is just playing the game along. The most likely situation is immunity of some kind (whether only can be killed via lynch, immune to day-kills)

[Scott Brosius]

This is the weakest defense I have ever seen, and yet you don't even back it up with your vote. Sorry but that seems particularly scummy to me.

Unvote, Vote: Scott Brosius

Why are you apologizing as you vote? It's like you don't believe what you are saying.

[ReaperCharlie]

This is the weakest defense I have ever seen, and yet you don't even back it up with your vote. Sorry but that seems particularly scummy to me.

Unvote, Vote: Scott Brosius

Why are you apologizing as you vote? It's like you don't believe what you are saying.

GTFO I'm not apologizing there! Let me rephrase: Sorry,

nice try,

but that seems particularly scummy.
lol @ you thinking I am apologizing while voting for you.

SO are you trying to say he is scum reaper?

I'm saying I think he's either a town PR reluctant to reveal his character name because we might figure out other things from that, OR he's a powerful scum PR who can't get dayvigged. I just don't know. This is me thinking in terms of Star Wars though.

What I

did

notice that he seemed to be rather at peace with his supposedly impending death, like he knew he wasn't gonna die or something. Which would also explain why he didn't claim immediately to get Kast to not vig him. But the way he seemed calm didn't seem like a scummy calm, just an impatient calm like Yoda or Obiwan always gets with Luke or something. IDFK I'm a Star Wars geek. lol

[totallynotmafia]

Why are people voting for hp without even hearing from him first? I think Kast is trying to be too much of a hero, and his dayvigging skill would be better used for vigging whomever we intend to lynch as it that saves us going to night.