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So why evil and not Dark side? The word evil is not used in Star Wars.bv310 wrote: Sorry I can't post really detailed stuff. On my iPod. Anyway, my role is Luke Skywalker. I am able to sense a player's alliance to the force. I determined wreckstar to be evil. I didn't claim before because I was hoping to get the time to do a proper case. Starting midnight shifts has somewhat limited my mafia time so I decided to just claim now.
I've played Kdub games before this. He's about the flavor.bv310 wrote:The result was that I determined my target to be evil. I assume this means "on the Dark Side", except simplified for anyone who hasn't seen Star Wars.
I said it that way on purpose. Why? Because I knew that he was lying, but I wanted to see how far he could trip over his own feet.ReaperCharlie wrote:after reading back, I realize that bv310 hadn't claimed Luke Skywalker when you posted the 'I disbelieve you' thing, but why didn't you straight up say he was lying in the first place? That still sounds super scummy that you said that at all, and especially how you said it.
And another thing. I don't see AT ALL how LUKE SKYWALKER could be a fake claim. Ironically, it was you yourself who remarked (pages and pages ago, not gonna find it) that in Harry Potter mafia that Harry, Ron, and Hermione were the scum group, and not to base anything on a flavor judgement and assuming the mod won't be a bastard. Well, here I am, basing my opinion on a flavor judgement again, against your sage words of wisdom.
I simply don't see how Luke Skywalker could be told that Chewbacca is evil, unless he's either LYING (about his role AND his result) or whether he is telling the truth about both, but the result was just redirected or blocked or something.
You realize that this is NOT what he claimed. He claimed to be Yoda,Dragon Phoenix wrote:CryMeARiver- I have serious issues with the play style here, and I have difficulty to see whyYodawould be limited to a one shot investigation. For the time being, no need to lynch but keep in mind that he is not a cleared townie at all. It might even be that Yoda has been given as a safe claim to scum.
Why is a redirector a bastard modding role to you?Dragon Phoenix wrote:Unless there is a general redirecting role (which would be bastard modding in my book)
If you believe this about our accusation, why would your defense besemioldguy wrote:Is it somehow important to know who I did target or if I targeted anyone at all? Are you trying to get excess claims out of the day? Wreck Star is lying, because I didn't target TwoHeadedCyclops last night. I voted them because there is a claimed guilty result.
The accusation looks like an attempt to just get even more claims out there then there already are.
instead of "I didn't target anyone last night"?semioldguy wrote:I didn't target TwoHeadedCtclops last night.
Well, he repeatedly claimed to have a one-shot investigatiom ability. I skipped over the jackofalltrades thing, as I did not recognize that as a generic role name, My bad.Wreck Star wrote:[Starbuck]
On Dragon PhoenixYou realize that this is NOT what he claimed. He claimed to be Yoda,Dragon Phoenix wrote:CryMeARiver- I have serious issues with the play style here, and I have difficulty to see whyYodawould be limited to a one shot investigation. For the time being, no need to lynch but keep in mind that he is not a cleared townie at all. It might even be that Yoda has been given as a safe claim to scum.Jack of All Tradesvia this post.
Why are you misrepresenting him?
Why is a redirector a bastard modding role to you?Dragon Phoenix wrote:Unless there is a general redirecting role (which would be bastard modding in my book)
*This is just my curiosity, not game-related*
I have definitely noticed. SoG, Scott, and bv310 all seem to lurk and unlurk whenever it's convenient for them.Wreck Star wrote:[Starbuck]
On bv310
Also, notice how bv has faded back into the shadows again? Like him and SOG were trying to play a gambit.
I disagree that such a prominent character is used as a fakeclaim in this game. I just disagree. However, I somehow believe your claim, like CMAR already said. And the only explanation for bv310's results then would be either they were tampered with by someone in a scumgroup, or he could be lying as town in order to lynch someone he tried to start a bandwagon on, on Day 1. I sort of also think that's really unlikely (yes, I know, appeal to probability, sue me), so I either conclude that SoG is lying through his teeth, or YOU are lying through your teeth.Wreck Star wrote:On ReaperCharlieI said it that way on purpose. Why? Because I knew that he was lying, but I wanted to see how far he could trip over his own feet.ReaperCharlie wrote:after reading back, I realize that bv310 hadn't claimed Luke Skywalker when you posted the 'I disbelieve you' thing, but why didn't you straight up say he was lying in the first place? That still sounds super scummy that you said that at all, and especially how you said it.
And another thing. I don't see AT ALL how LUKE SKYWALKER could be a fake claim. Ironically, it was you yourself who remarked (pages and pages ago, not gonna find it) that in Harry Potter mafia that Harry, Ron, and Hermione were the scum group, and not to base anything on a flavor judgement and assuming the mod won't be a bastard. Well, here I am, basing my opinion on a flavor judgement again, against your sage words of wisdom.
I simply don't see how Luke Skywalker could be told that Chewbacca is evil, unless he's either LYING (about his role AND his result) or whether he is telling the truth about both, but the result was just redirected or blocked or something.
I don't think Luke could be a fake either. I don't understand why he could be told that us (as Chewbacca) is evil. BUT I've played in other Kdub games (namely The Lion, The Witch & The Wardrobe) where one of the siblings was a fakeclaim for the scum.
QFT. ANSWER THIS, SoG! My scum-o-meter is bursting into aWreck Star wrote:On semioldguyIf you believe this about our accusation, why would your defense besemioldguy wrote:Is it somehow important to know who I did target or if I targeted anyone at all? Are you trying to get excess claims out of the day? Wreck Star is lying, because I didn't target TwoHeadedCyclops last night. I voted them because there is a claimed guilty result.
instead of "I didn't target anyone last night"?semioldguy wrote:I didn't target TwoHeadedCtclops last night.
I am not you and I don't flip out when people make false accusations.farside22 wrote:Frankly I didn't like Semi's comment about not targetting THC. He was too cool of a customer being accused by someone.
I know if someone would accuse me of something I didn't do I would be all like oh hell no you lying sack of scum.
As well as telling everyone to please lynch scum.
My defense is that because saying that I did not target him does not give in to your grab for another role claim before going down.Wreck Star wrote:On semioldguyIf you believe this about our accusation, why would your defense besemioldguy wrote:The accusation looks like an attempt to just get even more claims out there then there already are.
instead of "I didn't target anyone last night"?semioldguy wrote:I didn't target TwoHeadedCtclops last night.
But even if you did say the above, that would be a lie, because we have a track on you.
Why would he say that shooting him wouldn't prove SOG was scum? Or shooting bv wouldn't prove hims something else? If WS were to flip his role and SOG saying he didn't target THC means SOG is scum at this point.Kast shooting me wouldn't really prove anything, as my flip would still allow SOG to come up with a fake power role claim if he's scum.
Kast shooting bv310 would prove nothing about my alignment or SOG's.
So you will flip scum good to know.Wreck Star wrote:What?
The point was if I flip scum, and it comes back on SOG, he could be like "oh, I'm XXX power role, I wanted to stay hidden yesterday". If SOG gets dayvigged and flips VT, I'm auto-liar. If he flips scum, it means I wasn't lying. If he flips a power role, it's also PROBABLY means I wasn't lying.
I'm convinced there's either a framer or a bus driver.
Actually if you flipped town I would vote SOG. I am leaning on believe bv based on his evil claim and CMAR confirming that he got a good.Wreck Star wrote:Sorry, meant town. Typing up too many things at once.
If I get dayvigged, it'll do two things: it'll make bv310 a target for being wrong about his investigation, and it will also allow SOG to be like "oh guys don't lynch me I'm a power role" and weasel his way out of it.
If SOG gets dayvigged, it'll either prove/disprove my claim, which will then allow us to properly lynch.
Sry if this sounds weird grammaticlly, I'm pretty drunk.
My thoughts on this - the empire used a "Homing Beacon" in episode four to track Millenium falcon to Yavin. I think Wreck or one of his scum buddies has a tracker skill; fits flavor wise that way.WS wrote:I've played Kdub games before this. He's about the flavor.
What?!?Slicey wrote:Ooba is so very right. Although I wouldn't mind a Reaper Charlie lynch, I mean it's so blatantly obvious he's trying to save his scumbuddy (this is if Wreck flips scum, which I believe they will). But yeah, killing Wreck is such a good idea. Cuz even if he's town, we'll pretty much know there is a mafia framer due to bv getting a guilty on them and that Semi is liar and we lynch him. If Wreck is scum, and a tracker scum, then there is a chance that semi is lying and did target THC. My gut is telling me semi is telling the truth, and thus I'm much more inclined to a Reaper Charlie lynch.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but hurry up and get here Kast. >_>
and here:ReaperCharlie wrote:Uh, wait a second... just read this.Wreck Star wrote:bv310 wrote:Posting in response to prod. And since you brought it up Farside, the "read" on Wreck is more of the "Guilty investigation" variety. Not sure why I didn't say it before.So if it was an "investigation", why would you hold back and not push this "information" sooner? Right now, I disbelieve bv because of the conveniency.bv310 wrote:In iso, you read as even scummier than normal. Trust me on this one.
How can youdisbelievebv310? He's either right, or he's lying, but YOU don't have an opinion on that! Whether you're town or you're scum, you know forabsolute surewhether he's lying! My scumdar isshooting sparks... I think it's about tocatch fire 0_o
Unvote; Vote: Wreck Star
and here:ReaperCharlie wrote:I don't see AT ALL how LUKE SKYWALKER could be a fake claim. Ironically, it was you yourself who remarked (pages and pages ago, not gonna find it) that in Harry Potter mafia that Harry, Ron, and Hermione were the scum group, and not to base anything on a flavor judgement and assuming the mod won't be a bastard. Well, here I am, basing my opinion on a flavor judgement again, against your sage words of wisdom.
I simply don't see how Luke Skywalker could be told that Chewbacca is evil, unless he's either LYING (about his role AND his result) or whether he is telling the truth about both, but the result was just redirected or blocked or something.
and here:ReaperCharlie wrote:@ WS again:Idoagree with farside though, I don't exactly understand why it took you so long to claim, other than that . I understand you'd rather hint at it and hope the smart ones of us would pick up on it, but... well... actually, yeah I probably would have done it like you did, too. You are definitely not off my scumdar, though.
and here:ReaperCharlie wrote:Here is my train of thought:
Wreck claims he tracked you to THC, and THC is obviously dead. You could either be an investigative role, or you could be scum and have killed him. I completely fail to see why you would haveinvestigatedhim, since he and wolf were obviously masons. After the mason claim, I doubt that there wasanyreason to investigate THC, so I am assuming thatifWreck Star is telling the truth, therefore you must have killed THC last night.
Like you said, Ooba IS right. I very much believe that one (or both) of SoG and Wreck are scum! I've said that multiple times, and I stand by it.ReaperCharlie wrote:So... is Wreckscum? Quite possibly. I believe bv310 is telling the truth about being Luke. However, due to:
1. Wreck's strong counter-claim to bv's accusation,
2. Wreck calling SoG out (with a story that seems way too calculated to be random, and IS backed up by his past posts),
3. me already thinking SoG was scum previously (),
4. ESPECIALLY because of SoG's your laughably feeble defense of Wreck Star's accusation,
If it wasn't for all those things,I would obviously still be on the Wreck Star wagon!
- In my eyes, there's high probability that both are of opposing scum groups. However, in case this assumption of two groups is wrong - I think lying wreck scum is more probable than a mafia framer. (The flavor not fitting points to that)ReaperCharlie wrote:Here, see for yourself. (This is assuming there are two scum groups and that at least one IF NOT BOTH of Wreck and SoG are scum)
Scenario 1:Vig Wreck first, with a possible lynch of SoG.
Option 1: Wreck flips town- We won't know anything about SoG, but we'll know that bv310's investigation results were wrong.
Option 2: Wreck flips scum- We won't know anything about SoG, but we'll know that bv310's investigation results were right.
Scenario 2:Vig SoG first, with a possible lynch of Wreck.
Option 1: SoG flips town - We'll know Wreck is lying scum, and bv310's investigation results were right. Lynch Wreck.
Option 2: SoG flips scum - We'll know Wreck is telling the truth, and bv310's investigation results could EITHER be right, OR have been interfered with.
Either way, I feel that Kast killing SoG first will reveal more information. Cuz if Wreck is vigged and flips scum, it won't tell usanythingabout SoG. But if SoG flips scum, due to Wreck's claim we'll have to at least believe that part.
My vote is still for SoG to get viggedfirst, andthat'swhy. Not because I have any special feelings for Wreck, but becausewe will learn nothingby vigging Wreck first.
I would rather lose someone who is scum/VT (SoG) than someone who is scum/PR (Wreck) first. If Wreck is a town PR like he claims, then we would be boning ourselves by killing him first.
To put it simply, in my eyes it's better to kill off a VTandfind a scum (score one for the good guys), then kill off a town PR and have inconclusive evidence about theotherpossible scum (score one for the bad guys).
If Wreck flips town, we know SoG is scum. Why would a town Wreck lie about his result?Scenario 1:Vig Wreck first, with a possible lynch of SoG.
Option 1: Wreck flips town- We won't know anything about SoG, but we'll know that bv310's investigation results were wrong.
What about the case where Wreck flips tracker scum? You know that SoG is opposite scum for sure.Option 2: Wreck flips scum- We won't know anything about SoG, but we'll know that bv310's investigation results were right.
No problems with this one.Scenario 2:Vig SoG first, with a possible lynch of Wreck.
Option 1: SoG flips town - We'll know Wreck is lying scum, and bv310's investigation results were right. Lynch Wreck.
How is this indicative of Wreck's alignment?Option 2: SoG flips scum - We'll know Wreck is telling the truth, and bv310's investigation results could EITHER be right, OR have been interfered with.
@ooba- What Star Wars character would be tracker scum?Wreck Star wrote:What?
The point was if I flip scum, and it comes back on SOG, he could be like "oh, I'm XXX power role, I wanted to stay hidden yesterday". If SOG gets dayvigged and flips VT, I'm auto-liar. If he flips scum, it means I wasn't lying. If he flips a power role, it's also PROBABLY means I wasn't lying.
I'm convinced there's either a framer or a bus driver.
The two people I remember using them in the movies are Boba Fett and Darth Vader. But the former is already dead and the latter should be something much cooler than a tracker IMO. I can see a Vader JoAT with one of the abilities as tracking.Scott Brosius wrote:@ooba- What Star Wars character would be tracker scum?