Go Play in Traffic! (Game over!)

[yabbaguy]

Imitation isn't flattery?

(Good night. I'm tired.)

[SensFan]

Imitation isn't flattery?

(Good night. I'm tired.)

I was likely a bit harsher than I should have been; in a rather snarky mood. Also off to bed.

[Toogeloo]

Erm... far to much WIFOM in the miller claim for me to take a stance one way or the other...

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<snip>
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Huggle: Toogeloo

for the Mr. Saotome avi.

I just finished a game where Scum claimed Miller in his opening post as well. He was the last Scum alive, though eventually died as well to a town win. The game wasn't here on MS, but I can provide a link to the game since it's archived elsewhere.

That said, there

is

too much WIFOM in a Miller claim early on, though don't think I will simply dismiss it. I actually tend to be more suspicious of it than dismissing of it and just tuck it in the back of my mind for now.



Thanks for the huggles btw ... and yeah, I am a Ranma geek.

[Chronopie]

Hai guys

I was under the impression that miller's

were

supposed to claim straight away.

I'm just going to throw this out there. Fate's probably town, he's opening with his usual aggression.

I just meta'd fate

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Vote: Sensfan

for going for the easy lynch.

[Twomz]

Read the whole manga in (if I remember right) 2 weeks... but I've upped that recently by catching up in hajime no ippo... (90 volumes and counting... ARG)... in a week.

Back on topic... my opinion is if he actually is a miller, he's doing what a miller should do (although, I'd hold back on the name of the role, that info might be more useful later). If he's a scum, he's painted a giant arrow at himself and put a big neon sign on top of it.

I believe we can afford to wait on lynching him until we get more info (if there's no cop in the game, he's obv scum for example, although the theme makes me think we have at least a cop and doctor role, although they might be variants), although I don't think I'd oppose his lynch if we found nothing else of note today (unlikely with as lively as everyone's being ).

@Sens: Are you pushing for his lynch solely on policy, because you think he's lying or because you think that if you were a miller that is not what you'd do?

[Riceballtail]

VOTE:FakeGod

THOU SHALT HAVE NO IDOLS! >:(

[Toogeloo]

I believe we can afford to wait on lynching him until we get more info

Exactly the reason I just tuck it in the back of my mind for now.

I was under the impression that miller's were supposed to claim straight away.

It comes down to specific strategy.

Scum can do it as a test the waters type of play too, though it's a dangerous gambit. For example, scum might claim Miller just to see if there is a counter claim to that effect. Then it can be argued that more than one miller exists, and in that possibility, there may be no godfather (when in fact there probably is). What also ends up happening is that they have role-fished a claim from another player, and made their targeting easier at night to find juicier roles like cop or doc.

On the flip side of the strategy, if no one counters it, then the Miller claim stays good for at least a couple days of general safety so long as the player looks pro-town too.

And then of course, there is just the possibility that he is Town Miller, and there is no scum strategy present, and it's just the Miller claiming ahead to a) attempt to prevent the scum team from claiming Miller, and b) tell the Cop not to waste a scan on the player since it will come back MAFIA/GUILTY regardless.


So as you can see, too much WIFOM to deal with it at the moment. Generally though, I have found that if someone claims Miller, and another player is also a Miller, it is best to get that information out, even if it may possibly reduce the targets that scum shoots at night. Understanding our setup helps tremendously, and those "painted neon signs" suddenly become much more interesting for discussion purposes.

[StrangerCoug]

VOTE COUNT

animopherv1 (2): SensFan, Pittbunny
FakeGod (1): Ricebaltail
Fate (1): Toogeloo, Pittbunny
SensFan (3): FakeGod, animorpherv1, Chronopie
Starbuck (1): Leafsnail
Not voting (8): danakillsu, Fate, JacobSavage, Lowell, Shattered Viewpoint, Starbuck, Twomz, yabbaguy

With

16

players alive, it takes

9

players to lynch.

BTW, would someone kindly replace into Spades so that StrangerCoug can finally claim he's finished a Mish Mash? Thanks.

I do need the rep as quickly as I can, but I already can claim to have finished a Mish Mash game. Two, actually. The first Shut the Box and Triple Yahtzee.

[Starbuck]

Wow, this went up on my overnight!


Go Go Random Vote on...

Vote: Toogeloo

And actually, due to his constant absence as of late everywhere else and that I'm tired of him fucking over games that I look forward to...

Unvote
Vote: SensFan

What is your stance on claimed millers?

I still haven't played that often with millers. I don't really have a stance on them.

[Fate]

Vote: SensFan

Policy lynches are anti-town, etc.

/end RVS

Why didn't my vote count, mod?

[SensFan]

Twomz: I originally voted him because Miller is too easy a claim for Scum. I am currently voting for him because he lied somewhere, in addition to claiming Miller.

Starbuck: Please: a) Give me some basic respect and don't curse at me; and b) Don't discuss ongoing games. If either continue, I will replace out of this game.

[Fate]

Fate (1): Toogeloo, Pittbunny

>_>?

Might want to re-do the whole thing. No offense, of course.

@Sens, while we have you here, what did ani lie about elsewhere? Its page 2, am I missing something?

[SensFan]

I call bullshit.

1) He claims that mass-claiming is stupid
2) He claims Miller in his first post
3) When pressed, he can't come up with an example of someone claiming Miller that early

Those 3 sentences cannot possibly all come from the same frame of mind. He's Scum.

[Twomz]

Not being able to think of an example doesn't constitute a lie imo. Unless he says he has an example and it turns out it's not really one or something... also, with how bad my memory is I couldn't in good faith point fingers at someone else who can't remember what game something was in or who was what role in what game.

[Leafsnail]

Unvote

.

Twomz: I originally voted him because Miller is too easy a claim for Scum. I am currently voting for him because he lied somewhere, in addition to claiming Miller.

Vote: SensFan

. I don't buy this. Surely townie is just as "easy" a claim for scum? There is certainly possible WIFOM from scum claiming ("Why would I draw attention to myself AHAHAHAH") but if he isn't scum that doesn't really apply.

So I'd like you to answer this question - when would you prefer a miller to claim - at the start of the game or after a cop has come up "guilty" on them?

Also, I see a big potential misrep here. Wanting some roles to claim isn't the same as wanting a massclaim. And while he may not be able to come up with a reason, I've certainly been told that having millers claim immediately is standard play before.

[Pittbunny]

Read the whole manga in (if I remember right) 2 weeks... but I've upped that recently by catching up in hajime no ippo... (90 volumes and counting... ARG)... in a week.

o.o


Anyway. The vote counts are messed up, because I am most certainly not a doublevoter, and Fate's vote didn't count.

[Toogeloo]

Starbuck: Please: a) Give me some basic respect and don't curse at me; and b) Don't discuss ongoing games. If either continue, I will replace out of this game.

Sensitive much? You seem to be twisting your responses to fit another player's comment, which looks to be a recurring theme for you based on how you are treating this Miller claim as well.

And actually, due to his constant absence as of late everywhere else and that I'm tired of him fucking over games that I look forward to...

Unvote
Vote: SensFan

a) he doesn't curse at you at all; he uses a curse as a representation of what happens to games you play.
b) he doesn't mention any ongoing games specifically or indirectly.

[Lowell]

Love page one claims.

vote sensfan

A little jumpy out of the gate, IMO.

[SensFan]

b) he doesn't mention any ongoing games specifically or indirectly.

Yes he does. The only games I've posted in since 2010 began are ongoing, hence 'as of late'.

To the idiot that said Townie is just as convenient a claim as Miller, that's not only ridiculous, it can't possibly be a reasoned thought. Please put more effort into this game.

[Starbuck]

@Sens - You are receiving the same amount of respect that you have given anytime that we have been in a game together (ongoing or not). Also, *IF* I was cursing *AT* you, you would *KNOW* that I was fucking cursing *AT* you.

Quit twisting my words to make yourself look better.





@Toogeloo - I am a she, btw. =)

[Toogeloo]

@Toogeloo - I am a she, btw. =)

Noted. The only name I recognize on the player list is Pittbunny, so I am bound to make a few gender mistakes.

[Toogeloo]

EBWOP: I guess I could probably look at the profile info on the side lol... I generally don't even notice it when I am reading though >_<

[Shattered Viewpoint]

OHAI GUYZ

Sorry, I saw this yesterday and then promptly got sidetracked.

My understanding is that Millers do not always know they are a Miller.

Discuss.

[JacobSavage]

Yes he does. The only games I've posted in since 2010 began are ongoing, hence 'as of late'.

On that theme, is it just me or do Large games take less time than normal sized ones?

[Pittbunny]

OHAI GUYZ

Sorry, I saw this yesterday and then promptly got sidetracked.

My understanding is that Millers do not always know they are a Miller.

Discuss.

Depends on the GM. Ergo, a valid understanding, though not necessarily important to the game at hand.


And yes, hi Toog.

I actually wanted to claim Breathalizer instead of Pigeon, to see who would believe a first post lie detector claim. I gave that up in favor of what could be interpreted as a Jester, and am liking the results.