Newbie #950 (Game Over!)

[_j west]

Does J West stand for Jim West? "Any damsel in distress be outta that dress when she meet Jim West."[/url]

haha nope, Just a play on my real name.

[Lord Baltheir]

vote: _i west

Sorry, random number generator chose you.

Next thing you'll tell me is that it was the number generator that misspelled my name.
i west just doesn't have the same ring to it.

Sorry, the _ made it look like an i to me.

vote:_j qest

Happy?

[Lord Baltheir]

Ugh, *facepalm*.

vote: _j west

[fuzzylightning]

Unvote _j west

I don't like seeing a player at L-2 on page 1, so my vote now goes on Lord Baltheir for putting _j west at L-2, while not as dangerous as L-1, it is still too early for that.

Vote: Lord Baltheir

[Deer]

True, early bandwagons usually aren't good.

[iamausername]

-=Vote Count #1=-

_j west (2) - I Am Innocent, Lord Baltheir
Dr. Glunk (2) - Deer, Charlou
I Am Innocent (2) - Amish_Charney, vezopiraka
Deer (1) - Dr. Glunk
fuzzylightning (1) - _j west
Lord Baltheir (1) - fuzzylightning

5 to lynch.

[Lord Baltheir]

Unvote _j west

I don't like seeing a player at L-2 on page 1, so my vote now goes on Lord Baltheir for putting _j west at L-2, while not as dangerous as L-1, it is still too early for that.

Vote: Lord Baltheir

Uh, like I said, new to these forums kinda, what does L-2 and L-1 mean? Lynch 1 and 2?

[Deer]

It means the person is 1 or 2 or whatever number comes after L votes away from being lynched.

[fuzzylightning]

Its not that early bandwagons are bad, just have to be careful about how quickly they move. I have seen someone go from L-4 to lynched in less than an hour.

[Deer]

I think early bandwagons based solely on RVS votes (like this one) aren't good. If there's a legitimate case against someone, then sure, I don't mind them.

[fuzzylightning]

In a small game like this, yes a 3 person bandwagon based on RVS is bad. But this isn't getting us anywhere.

_j west: Why the OMGUS vote?

[I Am Innocent]

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2. What we do now is usually randomly vote for someone based off their name, avatar, whatever you want, like Amish just did. This is called the RVS stage.

It helps get discussion started

. Random voting is not a scumtell.
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True, early bandwagons usually aren't good.

I think early bandwagons based solely on RVS votes (like this one) aren't good

. If there's a legitimate case against someone, then sure, I don't mind them.

@ Deer, this seems like a contradiction. You say we need to get discussion started, but you think early bandwagons aren't good. If we all voted for a different person, how is that helping discussion to get started?

[I Am Innocent]

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2. What we do now is usually randomly vote for someone based off their name, avatar, whatever you want, like Amish just did. This is called the RVS stage.

It helps get discussion started

. Random voting is not a scumtell.
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.
.

True, early bandwagons usually aren't good.

I think early bandwagons based solely on RVS votes (like this one) aren't good

. If there's a legitimate case against someone, then sure, I don't mind them.

@ Deer, this seems like a contradiction. You say we need to get discussion started, but you think early bandwagons aren't good. If we all voted for a different person, how is that helping discussion to get started?

[I Am Innocent]

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2. What we do now is usually randomly vote for someone based off their name, avatar, whatever you want, like Amish just did. This is called the RVS stage.

It helps get discussion started

. Random voting is not a scumtell.
.
.
.

True, early bandwagons usually aren't good.

I think early bandwagons based solely on RVS votes (like this one) aren't good

. If there's a legitimate case against someone, then sure, I don't mind them.

@ Deer, this seems like a contradiction. You say we need to get discussion started, but you think early bandwagons aren't good. If we all voted for a different person, how is that helping discussion to get started?

[I Am Innocent]

Mod, please delete the two duplicates and this post.

[I Am Innocent]

I don't like seeing a player at L-2 on page 1, so my vote now goes on Lord Baltheir for putting _j west at L-2, while not as dangerous as L-1, it is still too early for that.

Its not that early bandwagons are bad, just have to be careful about how quickly they move. I have seen someone go from L-4 to lynched in less than an hour.

In a small game like this, yes a 3 person bandwagon based on RVS is bad. But this isn't getting us anywhere.

@ fuzzy, do you see L-2 being more dangerous on Page 1 during RVS, or later in the day? Were you honestly fearful that a j west lynch was going to happen soon?

[Deer]

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2. What we do now is usually randomly vote for someone based off their name, avatar, whatever you want, like Amish just did. This is called the RVS stage.

It helps get discussion started

. Random voting is not a scumtell.
.
.
.

True, early bandwagons usually aren't good.

I think early bandwagons based solely on RVS votes (like this one) aren't good

. If there's a legitimate case against someone, then sure, I don't mind them.

@ Deer, this seems like a contradiction. You say we need to get discussion started, but you think early bandwagons aren't good. If we all voted for a different person, how is that helping discussion to get started?

To see various reactions based on votes, etc. And just because I don't like early RVS bandwagons doesn't mean they don't happen.

By the way, I should have probably clarified this - by "aren't good" I meant that they can very easily have some scum on the wagon, and therefore need to be watched out for.

[vezopiraka]

Let's make some discusion here. It starts getting boring.

So who do you think is scum?

[I Am Innocent]

To see various reactions based on votes, etc. And just because I don't like early RVS bandwagons doesn't mean they don't happen.

By the way, I should have probably clarified this - by "aren't good" I meant that they can very easily have some scum on the wagon, and therefore need to be watched out for.

@ Deer. Who is more likely to make a reaction, someone with multiple votes, or someone who gets one vote? On the flip side, where do you think a Mafia is likely to place a RVS vote, on a wagon where it may draw attention, or say on someone who says "I hate the movie Bambi, so deer gets my vote"?

[I Am Innocent]

Let's make some discusion here. It starts getting boring.

So who do you think is scum?

I think it is too early to start asking players for top 2 lists. Esp considering 1 player only has 1 post and another 2...

Best way IMO to get discussion is look for things that look off, maybe even scummy, and start questioning them. Look for contradictions. Look for people trying to blend in or lay low. Etc. etc.

[I Am Innocent]

@ Deer. Who is more likely to make a reaction, someone with multiple votes, or someone who gets one vote? On the flip side, where do you think a Mafia is likely to place a RVS vote, on a wagon where it may draw attention, or say on someone who says "I hate the movie Bambi, so deer gets my vote"?

Reread my post and it sounds confusing. Second question was more, which of these moves is the mafia more likely to make:

1) on a wagon where it may draw attention
2) voting as follows: "I hate the movie Bambi, so deer gets my vote" (making this the first vote on deer...)

[vezopiraka]

Ahh didn't see the second page. I'm stupid.

Ignore my last post.

I think scum would act as mostly 1) because it may not draw attention on the random person.

[Amish_Charney]

What sort of "various reactions" would you expect to see if everyone had only a small number of votes on them, in a phase of the game they knew was largely based on dilatory grounds Deer?

[_j west]

Yeah, I thought it was weird I was at L-2 that early too, but didn't think much of it. It would have taken a ridiculous play to lynch me from there, and caused major exposure.
So I wasn't ever worried.

My early vote on fuzzy was only in jest, I knew it wouldn't last.

It's hard to get any ideas on scum at this stage in the game.

If anything, and pretty much the only thing sticking out to me is I am innocent. It can be telling when people try and make a case so early on. I know it was only the contradiction you were pointing out(in relation to Deer), but still.

ANd also this post

Look for people trying to blend in or lay low. Etc. etc.

sat funny with me too. Sure, it's a noob game, and this could be viewed as good general advice. Or it may be a smoke screen designed to keep your mind off of the people, or in this case the person, being more active. Not just blending in or laying low.

Anyways, that's all I got right now. We definitely need more input to keep this thing rolling along.

unvote: fuzzy lightning

[I Am Innocent]

Yeah, I thought it was weird I was at L-2 that early too, but didn't think much of it. It would have taken a ridiculous play to lynch me from there, and caused major exposure.
So I wasn't ever worried.

So you agree with my initial questioning to Deer...

It's hard to get any ideas on scum at this stage in the game.

Which is basically the same thing I said to vezo (2nd time we agree).

If anything, and pretty much the only thing sticking out to me is I am innocent. It can be telling when people try and make a case so early on. I know it was only the contradiction you were pointing out(in relation to Deer), but still.

I'll point out anything that looks suspicious. Esp early on when there is a lack of discussion going on. Who appreciates the lack of discussion....the mafia. Who is trying to promote discussion. Me.

Promote discussion also includes 1) questioning fuzzy about his L-2 RVS paranoia and 2) asking the other newbie about this being his first game when he signed up back in August 2009.

Eventually people will come under suspicion and discussion will take off. Don't make a similar mistake that my IC made in my first game (908, it was my only vote I received that game) when he suspected me cause I was the only one talking (like I told him, of course I'll look suspicious if I'm the only one saying anything!).

ANd also this post

Look for people trying to blend in or lay low. Etc. etc.

sat funny with me too. Sure, it's a noob game, and this could be viewed as good general advice. Or it may be a smoke screen designed to keep your mind off of the people, or in this case the person, being more active. Not just blending in or laying low.

Well you could be Mafia trying to set up a talkative townie with some experience (SE), but my gut tells me that you aren't. I like the way you are thinking here, though in this case you are wrong.