Mafia 113: Mafia in Mendo ~ Game Over

[chnorek]

Mod edit: text removed.

Do not quote or pretend to quote your role PM. You may paraphrase it.

Doc here.
N1 greenindirt protected Dicaria, N2 protected no one and N3 I protected CMAR.

Nico next.

[Nicodemus]

I am your friendly neighborhood spider-vig.

N1 I shot Furc for obvious reasons, N2 I shot bv for even more obvious reasons, and N3 I shot Richard for his uber-scummy hammer.

Also, now that I've publicly claimed, I'm

FoS'ing CMAR

for his continued vig-directing. All his cautious words looked like scum trying to get me to stop shooting at them, rather than trying to save the town from reduced numbers.

[Nicodemus]

Oh, and M+R goes next please.

[CryMeARiver]

I am your friendly neighborhood spider-vig.

N1 I shot Furc for obvious reasons, N2 I shot bv for even more obvious reasons, and N3 I shot Richard for his uber-scummy hammer.

Also, now that I've publicly claimed, I'm

FoS'ing CMAR

for his continued vig-directing. All his cautious words looked like scum trying to get me to stop shooting at them, rather than trying to save the town from reduced numbers.

First, this claim makes sense. If my memory holds, jack was the pusher of a nico lynch. He probably found out that he had a gun. Or it's just a convenient claim for mafia...we shall see after everyone claims.
Second, your suspicion is noted. The actual reason I was being cautious is because you could have ended up shooting town pr's who were actually scummy. As it turns out, you saved us from a mislynch or two. But if furclow had flipped cop or something, then you just did what we all found richard scummy for doing. Lyncing (or in your case, shooting) someone before they have a chance to defend themselves or claim. Either way, your suspicion makes sense, despite it being wrong and I wouldn't be dumb enough to do anything else

[MehPlusRawr]

Here we are, folks. Nico is scum. I counterclaim him. I am the vig. I shot Furcolow, BV, and Richard. I am CERTAIN that Nico is scum, but I'm not voting until the massclaim is over. Also- I shot last night because I realized that there today would be LYLO with 4 scum regardless of whether or not I shot. (Because of the poisoning)

Ugh. My word against anothers- this will be annoying.

Boberz next.

[chnorek]

Everyone do not vote until we finish with claims!

[chnorek]

Here we are, folks. Nico is scum. I counterclaim him. I am the vig. I shot Furcolow, BV, and Richard. I am CERTAIN that Nico is scum, but I'm not voting until the massclaim is over. Also- I shot last night because I realized that there today would be LYLO with 4 scum regardless of whether or not I shot. (Because of the poisoning

we end up in Lylo with 3 scum. we would not if there are 2 scum alive.
if we do have 2 scum and 2 scum-kills each night then we may be screwed.

How can you be sure that we have 3 scum left?
Care to share your flavor?

@CMAR
both vig and scum know who they was Viged and who NK each night, both are identical. what would make Nico more town than mpr?

[boberz]

I am a bulletproof.

[MehPlusRawr]

Here we are, folks. Nico is scum. I counterclaim him. I am the vig. I shot Furcolow, BV, and Richard. I am CERTAIN that Nico is scum, but I'm not voting until the massclaim is over. Also- I shot last night because I realized that there today would be LYLO with 4 scum regardless of whether or not I shot. (Because of the poisoning

we end up in Lylo with 3 scum. we would not if there are 2 scum alive.
if we do have 2 scum and 2 scum-kills each night then we may be screwed.

How can you be sure that we have 3 scum left?
Care to share your flavor?

@CMAR
both vig and scum know who they was Viged and who NK each night, both are identical. what would make Nico more town than mpr?

I don't know for sure that it's LYLO, but 4 scum sounds like the right ratio- It can't be 5, or we'd have lost, and 3 would be underpowered.

Flavor is that I'm a biker with a bad temper and a large gun.

Boberz- Who goes next?

[dramonic]

no one goes next

vanillax3
vigx2
bp
doc

The SK is an idiot.

[MehPlusRawr]

Oh, was he the last? Okay.

Can I vote for Nico now?

[dramonic]

no you cant.
The SK needs to out himself. If he doesnt he's going to lose.

[MehPlusRawr]

Why does the SK need to out himself? (And no, I'm not the SK wondering if I screwed up.)

[Chronopie]

Well I'm guessing that one of the 'Vigs' is either SK or Mafia.

No-one is taking claim for the poison either...

I'd believe the Doc claim. Having a BP makes sense considering the number of killing roles, although could be an NK-immune GF.

and one of the VTs is probably mafia.

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I say we try for the fake-vig. wcs: neither of them is actually a vig, but an SK and a Maf.

[MehPlusRawr]

Chrono, that last would be 2 Mafia kills and 1 SK kill per night, which would be broken. Possible, but not plausible.

I wanna vote for Nico >_>

[Chronopie]

You have a point.

I would have commented on the lack of a cop, but we had tracker and gunsmith, while Mafia had a watcher.

[Ythill]

Just checking in. No vote count needed.

If you have not already, please reply to the PM in your inbox.

[MehPlusRawr]

Okay, I don't want to wait for the SK to name himself anymore. I'd like EVERYBODY to post whether or not they are the SK. If everyone does, then we know that the SK isn't going to name himself, and we don't have to waste time.

I am not the SK.

[boberz]

I am not a sk. Is it possible there is an sk with an alternative rule set that might mean they dont want to come out but only they know why?

This is not me suggesting it is me just a thought.

[dramonic]

not to SK.

[chnorek]

im not.

[MehPlusRawr]

Waiting on Chrono, Nico, and CMAR.

[chnorek]

Boberz you was going to look closer on Nico, how did it go?
Since you are bulletproof i would like to ask you some questions:
1) is it one-time protection or have any other restrictions?
2) did anyone tried to shot you already?
3) what is the point in claiming it other than saving yourself from being shot this night?
4) why did you avoid attention lately instead of pretending being other useful PR?
5) why you didnt claim cop or other role that could made scum try to shot you instead of other role?
6) flavor?

[CryMeARiver]

Here we are, folks. Nico is scum. I counterclaim him. I am the vig. I shot Furcolow, BV, and Richard. I am CERTAIN that Nico is scum, but I'm not voting until the massclaim is over. Also- I shot last night because I realized that there today would be LYLO with 4 scum regardless of whether or not I shot. (Because of the poisoning

we end up in Lylo with 3 scum. we would not if there are 2 scum alive.
if we do have 2 scum and 2 scum-kills each night then we may be screwed.

How can you be sure that we have 3 scum left?
Care to share your flavor?

@CMAR
both vig and scum know who they was Viged and who NK each night, both are identical. what would make Nico more town than mpr?

My post was before the counterclaim. I never said one was more protown than the other. Since both have been scummy, we are going to have to actually scumhunt. Also, if memory holds, Jack "suspected" both Meh and Nico at different points. It makes sense since he likely had results that both had guns. I was hoping one would claim Vanilla or a role without a gun, but that'd be too easy

I am a bulletproof.[\quote]
This is a possible SK. SK's are generally bulletproof in my experience. I find it very interesting that the mod did not include a poison doctor or something like that. Either way we must choose one of these routes:

1) Assume either Meh or Nico are the SK and leave both alive in hopes that the real vig can shoot boberz and give us a clear (or kill scum if boberz is lying)
2) Assume either Meh or Nico is scum and try to lynch the right one in hopes of not losing the game.

@Dramonic: Why are you dead set on an SK? I can't check now, but I am almost positive that there is a wiki page for a poisoner and it is also a mafia role. Sure it would give mafia a lot of power, but it is not out of the realm of possibility.

I'd believe the Doc claim. Having a BP makes sense considering the number of killing roles, although could be an NK-immune GF.

Why would you believe the doc claim?
What makes you think a BP can survive all of the killing roles?
@Boberz: To your knowledge, can you survive poison?

wcs: neither of them is actually a vig, but an SK and a Maf.

Why is that worst case? Possible slip?

@Meh: This is ridiculous, but whatever. I am not the SK. This is even more ridiculous that you care so much. What will this accomplish?
Case 1: You don't get an SK. Waste of time.
Case 2: You get the SK. You leave him alive? What does that knowledge give you. But seriously, if an SK claimed, you would leave him alive?

[boberz]

Boberz you was going to look closer on Nico, how did it go?
Since you are bulletproof i would like to ask you some questions:
1) is it one-time protection or have any other restrictions?
2) did anyone tried to shot you already?
3) what is the point in claiming it other than saving yourself from being shot this night?
4) why did you avoid attention lately instead of pretending being other useful PR?
5) why you didnt claim cop or other role that could made scum try to shot you instead of other role?
6) flavor?

1/ It only stops shots I think (although this is not overtly said it is not hard to read between the lines). We also lose if we are in a logical tie in a two way endgame.

2/ I dont think anyone has shot me, I have had no communication as such.

3/ Because we were in a mass claim and I didnt want to lie. I was warned at the start of this game about implications of trying to be too clever with role claiming. Read The Fonz in the first few pages for evidence.

4/ Because I have been very busy and only this week got more time, more or less straight into a massclaim by the time I was involved enough to comment properly

5/ You have sort of already asked this question see answer to three.

6/ I am one of the most influencial growers in Northern California. I understand how dangerous it is so have built a fortress for a house.

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Another post on Nico in a few minutes