Newbie #950 (Game Over!)

[Amish_Charney]

That said, as I've said before IAI, I'm definitely leaning towards Charlou as being scum, for all the reasons I've articulated in the past few pages. The constant rehashing of how she's shocked that things are viewed with suspicion is getting beyond tiresome and blatantly newbcard.

I haven't seen that many substantial tells from LB, other than the lurking, and I don't hate the increased activity from him.

As it stands, I wouldn't hesitate for a second to drop the hammer on Vezo or Charlou.

[Lord Baltheir]

Beat me to it, I was also gonna say pretty much the only evidence of me being scum is my inactivity, and that's not much compared against Charlou's repeated softclaims, and now Vezo's.

[Deer]

Amish, you wouldn't hesitate to drop the hammer on vezo D1? D1?

vote: Amish_Charney

Like I've said, Charlou is more noobish than anything at this point. Time will tell, but her first posts seemed like overwhelmed noob.

[Charlou]

The constant rehashing of how she's shocked that things are viewed with suspicion is getting beyond tiresome and blatantly newbcard.

I didn't say I'm shocked .. just that it took a while to realise that it pervades the whole game.

[I Am Innocent]

I haven't seen that many substantial tells from LB, other than the lurking, and I don't hate the increased activity from him.

Can you tell me what you have gotten from the increased activity from LB? Basically he attacked the easiest target to this point, Charlou, and OMGUS me as a 2nd suspect. (But that isn't a substantial tell, I see.) I've seen nothing else. Please let me know if I am missing something, seriously.

As it stands, I wouldn't hesitate for a second to drop the hammer on Vezo or Charlou.

Yeah this statement bothered me too.

I don't think we are going to get any more out of LB right now, and though he may still end up being the best play D1, I'm going to follow Deer and see where this goes.

unvote: Lord Baltheir
vote: Amish_Charney

[Deer]

Yeah, if amish flips scum LB is highly likely the scumbuddy.

[vezopiraka]

Maybe charlou is town but I'm not convinced.
I'll try the amish wagon to see where it goes. Also why would you drop the hammer instead of being in that wagon from the beginning?

Unvote; Vote Amish

[Amish_Charney]

Maybe charlou is town but I'm not convinced.
I'll try the amish wagon to see where it goes. Also why would you drop the hammer instead of being in that wagon from the beginning?

Unvote; Vote Amish

OMGUS Bro? Also, I wasn't talking in the precise- I meant that if you were in a situation where you were L-1 and I still had a vote, I would vote to lynch you. I thought your silly little softclaim was ridiculously scummy, and does the town absolutely zero help.

As for Lord Baltheir, I didn't say that I was gaining stuff, I'm just acknowledging that he's now being an active member of the game. Which is more than I can recently say of some other players- e.g. _jwest and Dr. Glunk. I don't hate the increased activity, it may lead us to learn something. Shit posts are still posts.

I Am Innocent, you can hardly fault someone for jumping on a wagon of an easy target.

I'm going to follow Deer and see where this goes.

[Lord Baltheir]

Meh, I'm sticking with Charlou. Amish doesn't seem all that scummy to me.

[fuzzylightning]

I am just going to say that I am V/LA until Monday because my days are just going to get busier until then

[Deer]

Meh, I'm sticking with Charlou. Amish doesn't seem all that scummy to me.

More buddying?

[I Am Innocent]

The participation early in this game has been exceptional, I don't want that to die down with fuzzy being busy until Monday.

I'll propose my suggestion which should keep the discussion moving forward for the short term:

IAI Suggestion: vezo obv hinted that he was the cop. Deer saw it, I saw it, a couple of others mentioned this soft claim. The thing to note is that the scum at this point would have no knowledge if a cop exists or not.

I think we need to verify the soft claim by vezo for the following reasons 1) if he is scum and trying to lure out the real cop, we could have a counter claim (CC) made by the real cop and trade the cop for one scum. This is a good move IMO as we would enter D2 up 6-1 (unless a Doctor protection exists and it goes through, then 7-1) 2) if he is the cop, we may have a doctor and the doctor should be aware who to protect at night.

Like I said earlier, the scum would not know if a cop exist or not, so if vezo claims cop and there is no CC, vezo is likely truely a cop, or else one of the riskiest scum D1 I have seen.

My suggestion, vezo truely confirms if he is the cop or not at this point.

This hinting needs to disappear IMO.

I think a few more players should chime in at this point on whether they agree or not. If not, please explain why.

Vezo, do not confirm until others have had a chance to chime in.

My suggestion could be faulty for all we know...

If there is a real cop out there not named vezo, DO NOT CC until vezo has clearly claimed cop.

[I Am Innocent]

Speaking of participation, _j west needs to be prodded. I really hope he doesn't bail, as few posts as he made, they seem to hint of a solid player.

Dr Glunk is not quite at the point of prodding, but she is another one that may need to be prodded by the end of the day.

For some of the newer players, 3 weeks can seem like a long time, but it is in the town's best interest not to lynch until we have had contributions from all 9 players.

For instance, pretend Dr Glunk and _j west were the scum team (notice neither have received a vote yet), and we lynched early, we would likely be down 2 townies going into D2 with no scum trails to find...

[I Am Innocent]

EBWOP - when I said they did not receive a vote, I meant they haven't received a non RVS vote (I essentially leave out the first 9 votes from most of my analysis...). j_west in fact received 3 RVS votes & Dr Glunk 2 RVS votes.

[iamausername]

-=Vote Count #5=-

Amish_Charney (3) - Deer, I Am Innocent, vezopiraka
Charlou (2) - Lord Baltheir, fuzzylightning
vezopiraka (2) - _j west, Amish_Charney
Lord Baltheir (1) - I Am Innocent, Charlou

Not Voting (1) - Dr. Glunk

5 to lynch.

-=_j west has been prodded=-

[vezopiraka]

So do you want me to claim?
Or do you want me to wait.

[I Am Innocent]

So do you want me to claim?
Or do you want me to wait.

I would like you to wait until a few others chime in.

[Deer]

IAI, the thing is, if he does claim, here's what could very easily happen:

1. There is no doc (mafia will know this if they do not have a roleblocker) and vezo is dead tomorrow.

2. There is a doc, but that means there's also a roleblocker, and unless we lynch him, vezo'll just get roleblocked each night.

The last possbility is that vezo is scum, of course, but I don't know if scum would risk a fakeclaiming that early.

I can't see a positive benefit in him coming out and claiming cop, although he and you have hinted at it so much that the mafia surely knows by now.

[Amish_Charney]

Meh, I'm sticking with Charlou. Amish doesn't seem all that scummy to me.

More buddying?

I'm a newbie- not balls-shrivellingly stupid.

I say if he gets one more vote he should claim. Deer, your last possibility seems WIFOM-ey, but I agree that we've been winking and nudging so much at vezo's role that there's no tangible benefit to him coming out. This conversation on its own should be enough to make anybody inclined to counterclaim do so, IMO.

[vezopiraka]

So are we going to support an amish_charney lynch D1?
Or are we waiting for others to say stuff.

[I Am Innocent]

I'm a newbie- not balls-shrivellingly stupid.

I say if he gets one more vote he should claim. Deer, your last possibility seems WIFOM-ey, but I agree that we've been winking and nudging so much at vezo's role that there's no tangible benefit to him coming out. This conversation on its own should be enough to make anybody inclined to counterclaim do so, IMO.

I don't like a counterclaim without an official claim first. I think we are all sure he is what we think he is, but say a real cop comes out and vezo then says what I saw in my first game "I am really Vanilla Townie and was trying to draw the Mafia's attention Night X".

Yes a townie did this (as a doctor, not a cop) and almost cost us the game (908 for those interested in a fun read).

If we are going to ask for a counterclaim, I first want vezo to claim with the understanding that townies should not lie to other townies.

[Lord Baltheir]

Meh, I'm sticking with Charlou. Amish doesn't seem all that scummy to me.

More buddying?

Just because I don't think someone is scummy doesn't makes me buddy buddy with them. By you reasoning, I could say the same about you and Charlou, as you switched from voting for her to me.

[Amish_Charney]

So are we going to support an amish_charney lynch D1?
Or are we waiting for others to say stuff.

Care to outline what exactly it is I've done to derserve a lynch?

[Lord Baltheir]

For clarification, Deer's switching to me from Charlou indicated she either thought Charlou not scummy or less scummy than me.

[vezopiraka]

IAI. Now I'll surely get nk this night. I think the town doesn't stand a chance. Here it goes.

I'm The cop. For all those who are town D1 we should lynch amish. If he flips scum than we vote Lord B and win. If he flips town than I want everyone to consider voting IAI. To me it felt like he made you all to agree with him so I can claim.