Left 4 Dead Mafia - Day 6?

[bv310]

Nope. My main suspect flipped scum, so I still have the item.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

Referring to the last day.

We caught scum yesterday.

What does that have to do with this game moving too fast, Dizzy?

Because that lynch went at a very good speed for the town. The game is not moving too fast, you are playing too slowly.

[Charlie]

You think so, Dizzy? I would maybe have liked ReaperCharlie to fullclaim before hammering...so we could get some idea of what a fakeclaim would look like.

Anyway. I'll do my best to work on original cases against my suspects. Sometime today.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

I would assume a fakeclaim looks exactly like a town PM, otherwise what would be the point of allowing people to quote role PMs? In any case, it's already been established that we can't trust differences between role PMs as a scum hunting tool, given the fact that two proven townies have been shown to have differring role PMs.

[Charlie]

Sure, that's a fair assumption to make. Still I would prefer town to make the least amount of assumptions as possible at this stage of the game. Imma reread the thread to look for stuff.

[Starbuck]

V/LA Starting now until Tuesday May 25th.

We have a big on base festival this weekend and I work for Security. So I'll either be on patrol or volunteering at one of our booths

[almightybob]

That reminds me, I will be

V/LA from Sunday 23rd til Saturday 29th May

. Might be able to check in once or twice, but probably not.

Amished - why do you say you're not questioning two factions, but then talk about an SK? An SK is not a scum faction. SK is third-party. I'm talking about multiple Mafia factions.

The Ambush name is an obvious indicator that there is another Infected team with a different team name. If Ambush Infected are the only team of Mafia, why call them Ambush? They would just be the Infected.

So if there ARE multiple scum factions - which it's pretty obvious there are, and we have known since Tar died - then it seems logically obvious to me that there must be 3 members in the other faction, for the reasons I already gave. Your SK scenarios make no sense given the scum flips we've had. Multi-scum is obviously what we're dealing with, and as you correctly conclude, 3/3 scum is the only configuration that makes sense.

It's not a scare tactic, it's me being realistic. If you guys want to take the risk and go for it today, fine. I'm just saying that, mathematically, a no-lynch is actually a viable option this time, as opposed to the last two times indecision has crippled us and forced us into it. For once, it could actually help us.

[crypto]

Dizzy, I think you're missing the point.

[Starbuck]

I'm just curious as to how using the pills on dramonic makes Dizzy a proven townie?

I'm not seeing where Dizzy is confirmed.

[SaintKerrigan]

I'm just curious as to how using the pills on dramonic makes Dizzy a proven townie?

I'm not seeing where Dizzy is confirmed.

In this game, pills make it harder to lynch someone, by adding one to the total required to lynch a player.

Dizzy used the pills on Dramonic. Dramonic was voted the normal amount of times in order to be lynched. Dramonic wasn't lynched. Therefore, the pills worked. Since scum can't use items, this makes Dizzy confirmed town.

Why are you asking this now?

[Starbuck]

Because I just woke up and didn't think about it before posting.

[Starbuck]

So, are you caught up with the game yet? We have a lot of downtime apparently.

[SaintKerrigan]

No. Still working on that.

[Charlie]

Let's try a few questions:

bob, do you think Amished is town? Why?
Amished, do you think bob is town? Why?

[almightybob]

bob, do you think Amished is town? Why?

Yes, for a few reasons. I have yet to see a good case presented against him. The pushes that have been brought against him so far have felt very scummy to me, in particular SPS's "Glork said so" case. Obviously we know he wasn't scum and therefore was just lazy Town, but if I go back and find anyone agreeing with that logic, I would put my money on them being scum.

Basically, he hasn't done anything scummy and yet lots of people seem to think he's scum. That makes me think he's most likely to be Town, and the scum are trying to drum up suspicion from nothing.


Now some questions:
Charlie, do you think I am Town? Why?
Charlie, do you think Amished is Town? Why?
Charlie, do you think bv310 is Town? Why?
Charlie, do you think crypto is Town? Why?
Charlie, do you think SK is Town? Why?
Charlie, do you think Starbuck is Town? Why?

[Charlie]

Um. Are you serious? That's everyone except Dizzy and myself! Whatever, I'm assuming those are.

I...don't think you're town, bob. You're awfully pessimistic. I don't feel you're behaving right, as though you're hiding something by the way you post. Call it gut if you will.

I don't think Amished is town because townies who suspected him ended up dead. Yeah, not great stuff but I'll work on it.

I'm on the fence with bv310. For the record, getting roleblocked gurantees the return of used item, so he's telling the truth with that point.

Crypto gives me an aura of lurkishness. I don't really think he's town either.

SK...didn't pay full attention to the thread. Still, I think he's town? I'd get a better read on him if he says more things with content in it.

I trust Starbuck to be town for now. Her claimed breadcrumb story convinced me. She's paranoid-ish, but town.

The pushes that have been brought against him so far have felt very scummy to me, in particular SPS's "Glork said so" case. Obviously we know he wasn't scum and therefore was just lazy Town

Not really. He just could be wrong.

but if I go back and find anyone agreeing with that logic, I would put my money on them being scum.

Me?

[almightybob]

Um. Are you serious? That's everyone except Dizzy and myself!

Exactly. It seemed like you were trying to reduce this to an Amished-or-bob thing. I don't like false dichotomies, especially when they involve me.

I...don't think you're town, bob. You're awfully pessimistic. I don't feel you're behaving right, as though you're hiding something by the way you post. Call it gut if you will.

Okay. Not much I can say to defend against gut, so yeah.

For the record, getting roleblocked gurantees the return of used item, so he's telling the truth with that point.

It does? How do you know that?

Not really. He just could be wrong.

Well, that too. Which would mean Amished is Town.

Me?

Was it you? I haven't had time to check yet. If it was you, then yes, it would make you very scummy in my eyes.
This game we've seen other examples of scum latching onto bad Town-produced scumhunting. Remember when Socrates said "I see something scummy about Ifrinn, but I'm not going to tell you what it is"? I said "I bet scum are going along with this", and I was right. Look back - DocPotter (replaced by Tar) jumped right on just like I said the scum would.

So yeah, that's a black mark against your name Charlie.

[Charlie]

For the record, getting roleblocked gurantees the return of used item, so he's telling the truth with that point.

It does? How do you know that?

I simply asked the mod.

So yeah, that's a black mark against your name Charlie.

Doh! Tell who you think the 3 bad guys are.

[almightybob]

Doh! Tell who you think the 3 bad guys are.

Honestly, I don't know right now. I got dramonic right (that's why I wanted the pills used on him), but my other, stronger scum reads have flipped Town. I'm trying to work it out. I have a few fairly strong Town reads so I can maybe pin them via a process of elimination, but since it's obvious to me we're in mylo I'm not sure if that's the best way to go about it.
So you do agree that there are 3 scum left?

[Charlie]

Yes, I think there most probably are.

[Amished]

@Charlie: I need to really go through the game again; but after today and with my thoughts on possible setups I'm finding it less likely that bob is town.

Oh, while I'm on that note: to me, an SK is a scum "faction" of 1 person. I don't really understand the naming convention labeling them third party as some third party's (survivor, mainly) can win with the town. An SK has a directly contradictory wincon to any town; so therefore they're scum. They just don't have buddies. Scum faction of 1. Ugh, I hate semantics arguments. More later.

[crypto]

I'm on the fence with bv310. For the record, getting roleblocked gurantees the return of used item, so he's telling the truth with that point.

Garbage. You don't have to be town to understand a function of the setup. I agree that almightybob is scummy but bv has been pitching an item-chewing scum game all game.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

So, a question: How many people think bv is town, and how many have held off voting for him because of his item claim? I know I'm probably in the former. It's certainly the only reason I stopped trying to lynch him after he claimed. If we're in a situation where we need to lynch scum for town to not lose, I think bv needs to be put under active consideration, especially considering the odd way he's presented his item use.

[Starbuck]

We've had other priorities come up other than bv, and to me (now looking back on it), he could easily be scum gambiting his actions.

[Starbuck]

And actually

Vote: bv310