Pledge of Allegiance (Game Over! Page 76)

[Chronopie]

/confirm

Hai guys. reading now.

Will post my thoughts when I've finished.

meantime

##Unvote

[Chronopie]

Alright, finished rereading (finally)

Disliking Jack, UK, Fishy, VP/Plum.

Liking DGB, Ellibereth

Rest are neutral reads.

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On a side note: I have not played in games with most of the people here (Farside, Eliibereth only.), so will not be able to make many meta comparisons.

[Chronopie]

Sorry Parama

following up what I said, I'm going to

##Vote: Jack

[Chronopie]

DGB and Jack are engaged in discussing semantics. Neighbours is just unconfirmed alignment masons.

Now please contribute content.

[Chronopie]

Thoughts on... fake daykill, xvart, fishy-scum logic, unbreakable alliance, RC and jack. Next post too if you do

Had it used on me in another <ongoing> game, useful tool, when used right, but subject to wifom (what isn't). Don't quite see it. Don't quite see/understand it. Dislike the pair of them, possible bussing.

[Chronopie]

The reason I state that a fake Day-kill is wifom, is because, as per Day rule 4, Scum can day talk, so could have prepared before hand.

Going to iso fishy, multi-iso Jack/RC now.

[Chronopie]

Still don't see Fishy as particularly scummy.

Also, I only just replaced in yesterday, ofc my post count is low -.-

[Chronopie]

Rules and Information

Day:

1.

What is it? What do I do?

This is the period during which everyone who's alive can post in this topic. Generally speaking, you want to lynch someone whose Win Condition wants you dead (for instance, Townies want to lynch Mafiosi and vice versa).
2.

What is voting, and how do I do it?

Players may vote for a person they want to see lynched by posting

##Vote: PLAYERNAME

somewhere in their posts. I won't accept it if it's not in bold and if it doesn’t have ## before it. Unvoting is not necessary to place a vote. To unvote type,

##unvote

3.

Do we have to lynch?

You are allowed to vote to No Lynch (

##Vote: No Lynch

). This will take effect if no other majority can be formed from the players off the No Lynch wagon.

4.

Can the Mafia talk to each other during the Day?

Yes!

5.

Prod/Replacement Policy:

Players may ask for prods by typing

Prod: <name>

. The mod reserves the right to prod at his initiation. Prods should be acted on promptly or will risk replacement.
6.

Deadlines:

Deadlines will be set roughly two weeks from the start of each day, adjusted slightly to make it easiest on the mod and players. If the deadline arrives before anyone is lynched, there will be a no lynch.
7.

When does the Day end?

The Day ends with a lynch, a no lynch, or the deadline elapses. Generally, someone is lynched if they receive a majority (50%+1) of player’s votes.
8.

Where do I send my actions?

To Zoraster.

Rule 4. Scum have Day talk.

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I skim read Fishy's Iso, makes a few good points, few slightly scummy points, overall neutral assessment.

[Chronopie]

On jack and RC.

No congruence between them what so ever. Unless I'm missing something.

RC does comment on Jacks play, makes some good points. OTOH Jack seems scummy. I also agree with RC's comment that lots of short posts = noise, which makes it harder to extract content.

[Chronopie]

Pops is full of Wifom.

A claimed VT with lots of suspicion not getting shot why?

[Chronopie]

Parama's name wasn't originally in the MK post. it just said a town player.

[Chronopie]

Jury is in, you are on the list.

Explain please.

[Chronopie]

##Vote: Llamafluff

Please explain why the jury has decided I am a target.

[Chronopie]

Which cases are these?

[Chronopie]

I can tell you that Fishy isn't town.

[Chronopie]

##Unvote

##Vote: FishytheFish

[Chronopie]

So Fishy is Non-hostile Neutral survivor.

##Unvote

(The result I got was Not town)

[Chronopie]

So you can still win if you die?

[Chronopie]

I'd voted Llama because I hadn't seen my Night-action result yet, and I wanted to know why llama had me on his 'to be shot' list.

Once I checked my investigation, I changed where my vote lay. Then Fishy claimed, so I unvoted.

Now farside has Fishy visiting coyote, while Fishy had stated that they hadn't used their their one-shot yet, and RC was roleblocked. Fishy now claims that RC was driven, and doesn't want to reveal who was the other half of the bus.

If fishy doesn't fess up, I'm going to vote towards Lynching the Liar.

[Chronopie]

This is actually the first time I've had a Night action w/ result role Zorb. So how often = This once.

[Chronopie]

Here is my power:
-

One shot transmitting weak tracker.

I target a player, and someone to get my results. The find out whether (but not who) the first player visits that night.

@Fishythefish, your claim brings up a couple questions.

4. Have you used your track/transmit ability yet?

4. No. I intend to use it tonight.

This is from earlier on today. Now we learn that fishy has in fact targeted someone, and was redirected via bus. Now is flailing around, in an anti-town manner.

##Vote: FishytheFish

[Chronopie]

So what's your opinion on the Targeting matter?

First he claimed he didn't, now it's clear he did.

[Chronopie]

Town Cop says Fishy is not-town

Fishy claims other with one shot tracker

That they hadn't used

Tracker says Fishy visited RC

RC admits being RB'd

Fishy admits visiting someone,

Not RC

. Therefore Lied about not using ability.

But Fishy doesn't want to say who they visited, or what ability.

Therefore we cannot trust Fishy.

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Any objections to that analysis? Thoughts?

[Chronopie]

I'm still not happy with Fishy (liar), but DGB makes a good case. ofc I've never played with Zorblag, so I have no idea on meta myself.

I second UK on the VC before voting.

[Chronopie]

Parama: Motive Cop (deceased)
Farside: Tracker
Chronopie: Town Cop

and RedCoyote was RB'd, claims no result on his investigation.
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Fishy: Tracker? RB?

[Chronopie]

I was told that I didn't get any result for my investigation.

[Chronopie]

Tunnel Vision on a Lying, potentially anti-town other.

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I don't see why

Every

non-obvtown player should claim, you want to out any Docs, the Bus-driver that Fishy claims exists, and any other pro town PRs that aren't already (such as a vig)? An MC isn't going to blow this game wide open this early.

Although we know that at least 6 people chose other, and there's some suspicion on several others being other. I'd expect an Sk after all.

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@Fishy: no it wasn't an answer to anything, it was separating the known non-town PR from the Town/unknown alignment PRs.

[Chronopie]

and that's a False Dichotomy, non-hostiles aren't with or against either side. OTOH Hostiles are against everyone.

[Chronopie]

although Fishy did state that a town win was worth some points in his wincon...

[Chronopie]

The weirdness of his fishy explanation could fit with him being an "other" investigator from one of the factions opposed to fishy's.

His jump at claiming "town cop" is a bit odd, considering he didn't actually get a "guilty/innocent" type result.

No, I got a town/

Not Town

Result. Same difference.

[Chronopie]

A vig and a lynch?

Please no caps locks o' death in this game.

[Chronopie]

##Unvote

##Vote: Troll

I'm not 100% sure that Troll is SK.

He looks as though He's been giving Fishy answers to use for when/if Fishy decides to elaborate on his actions.

I'm wondering if you don't have one shot weak track that you don't learn anything about and then a one shot transmit to be used later to try to get that to someone else.

although Fishy then refuted this, it still doesn't sit right with my gut.

[Chronopie]

@Chronopie, what motivation would I have to give Fishythefish answers to use for later? How likely do you think it is that's I'm a Serial Killer at this point? How likely do you think it is that I'm mafia?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

Possible buddy.
Moderate chance, DGB makes a compelling case for you being SK, based on your past meta.
Lower chance than you being some form of other, but I'm not going to rule it out entirely.

[Chronopie]

Pretty much. Would like you to claim though.

[Chronopie]

That and DGB's case.

[Chronopie]

You're right on the in-thread coaching, I didn't think that through. But it was tilting my scumdar (which I will admit, is underdeveloped).

DGB's scumhunting skills are reputed to be good, and afaik, she's been saying that your play this game is unlike either your town or scum metas. She's also indicated that you've always wanted to be an SK, and stated that your play is 'glowing'. This to me indicates that DGB believes that you finally got the the role that you've wanted i.e. SK

@Chronopie, [snip] How likely do you think it is that I'm mafia?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

[snip]
Lower chance than you being some form of other, but I'm not going to rule it out entirely.

I'm undecided on Nicodemus, but I don't think he's town either.

[Chronopie]

Lower. I'm leaning towards Other>Mafia>Town.

[Chronopie]

My own assumptions for this game is that many dislike being the uninformed majority, therefore the uninformed is going to be smaller than a typical game.
Consider that we have 6+ non-hostile others, and a hostile other category (i.e SK), and jack hasn't denied being cult. therefore we can assume at least 8 other, probably at least 4 Scum, possible more. So far 12/24 non-town.

Additionally there appears to be a high concentration of PRs, which would indicate to me that either all sides have alot of Power, making for a very interesting game, or the actual town is small.

[Chronopie]

@UK: I don't see why Jack's choice in wording is that suspicious. Given the flavour and xvart's flip, it's a fair enough working assumption.

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@Farside: Tunnelling in on a single claimed

Non-Hostile

Other isn't the most productive way to win i.e rid the town of enemy killing roles i.e mafia, SK.

Unless your wincon is to get more points than other factions, and eliminating members of other factions is a way to do so...

(non-hostile other)

[Chronopie]

He said that the nh-other factions were at least 2 people. So 6+ nh-o's

[Chronopie]

Evidence in a minute, big post.

Uhhh... where's this big post?

[Chronopie]

Also Hai Ani.

Opinion's on Fishy's claim, Zorblag's probably alignment, Farside's probably alignment, Jack's lack of refutation of being cult, and opinion of groupings in general.

[Chronopie]

And fishy is claiming his faction is non-hostile other why would I be bussing him?

I think you are an opposing faction to Fishy. Otherwise you wouldn't have investigated him.

Wait, what? Farside

knew

Fishy's alignment D1? Where's the evidence?

[Chronopie]

@DGB: Jack hasn't yet actually proclaimed to be a cult-recruiter. Hasn't denied it, but not confirmed it either.

@Ani: Care to answer the questions I posted?

@d3x: content please IIoA is not content.

@Mod: VC please

[Chronopie]

I don't see why Lynching a Mafioso is ever a bad thing Ani (barring Fire and Ice, and other 1:1:1 lylo and similar situations).

So some point grabbers gain points. Maybe other point grabbers lose points?

Either way, the Town still benefits through

Dead Scum.

[Chronopie]

Dead Scum > petty point grabber mini-game.

Besides, if they get points from Dead scum, they will listen to the town, because the town wants dead scum too. Common goal.

--

That said, Dead Zorblag-Sk = good too. Less NK's = more chance of Others living to lynch scum and gain points.

[Chronopie]

I've been paying less attention to this game than i should have.

Catching up from ~Page 43.

[Chronopie]

Page 43

I agree that d3x was posting IIoA

I don't know why Elli has put me in a points group. (Hint: I'm not)

Dislike Charter's "I'm going to switch my vote to whoever has the most votes, after a VC"

Page 44

Elli goes after Ani as a points faction, then abruptly drops it.

Page 45

I still don't get Ani's stance on Lynching Mafia = bad, Lynching Sk = good because of point grabbers.

D3x and RC are

tunneling

in on Fishy at this point. although RC does make a good point, in that any Mafioso wagoned might just claim non-hostile.

Page 46

Fishy makes a decent point here. His claim, as the first Non-hostile, is going to be more believable today, than another tomorrow.
Additionally, he did provide a fairly through claim of points scoring actions.
However, the withholding of the fact that he had multiple abilities, and that he'd used one is counting against him.

Ani points to the fact that Zorblag posted, when Nico was the topic of conversation

Ani is replying to other peoples accusations of other people

Page 47

UK and DGB battle it out over Nico

Jack basically claims Cult (Again)

UK misses the point that an SK absorbing the Mafia kill, still allows for an SK kill. and that just by leaving an SK in the hopes that a Mafia kill is wasted, may result in the Mafia choosing not to gun for SK, resulting in Moar kills.

Page 48

Nico shows up. Explains his rolefishing as just trying to confirm that I was claiming PR, rather than just trying to pass off a gut read.

Farside goes on another Bitch-Rant.

and Claims that, due to meta, nico is prob town.

Page 49

Farside is obv. town.

RC has a rant, over how Fishy should be lynched.

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##Unvote

##Vote: Nicodemus

After this read, I'd prefer a Nico lynch to a Zorblag lynch, I wouldn't be against an Ani lynch.

Also, deadline = no lynch, as per Day rule 6.

[Chronopie]

If Zorblag wishes to claim, now would be the time.

Also: I'm Willing to cast the Hammer.

[Chronopie]

Well that's a spanner in the works.

I'd investigated Jack, for a result of Town. I'd figured that since everyone considered Jack cult, that I'd check.

[Chronopie]

I'd like to here from any other (claimed) night result players (Farside, RC), and also anyone that got a transmitted result. (Plum)

If any of those can shed some light on potential mafioso or others, then we can decide whether fishy is a good snipe target.

[Chronopie]

I received another pm, just a minute ago. Plum, 'fess up, who'd you visit? and why?

[Chronopie]

I'm in the dark at the moment, as I didn't take any of them.

That's mine. Not sure if that was the best use for the information, but there we go.

Wait, What?

[Chronopie]

So you gathered info on shotty, and received a weak watcher transmission. Is that right?

I'm tempted to ask for details on shotty, but if it were any sort of scum result, you probably would have claimed it outright.

[Chronopie]

@UK: Llama was a redirector, so I guess it's possible for more redirection abilities. but I targeted Jack, got a result of "Town." Jack also flipped town. It's probably a safe bet that I wasn't redirected.

[Chronopie]

Well with Llama dead we can't ask, but it is possible that Llama choose to redirect UK specifically onto Jack.

[Chronopie]

@DGB: idk, but I checked Jack, got Jack, Plum got jack, Fishy's team got plum, and UK went for Plum? Zorblag? and got jack. therefore it's possible that a redirector (possibly Llama) either decided that any action point at Zorblag would be redirected, or targeted a specific player. /speculation.

But idk how it works, seeing as I'm a cop.

This game seems to be

very

PR heavy. /idle comment.

[Chronopie]

@Zorblag: you'd had 6+ gunning for you straight away, had you claimed. afaic you're non hostile other. the government parties would consider otherwise.

Fyi: anyone gunning for zorblag ITT should be considered government other, thus a Zorblag-kill target.

[Chronopie]

I too concur.

##Vote: d3x

[Chronopie]

Fishy: Now that shotty has admitted to being a non-hostile points grabber other. Is he your partner?

[Chronopie]

I'm not sure how I'd affect the point boards.

I'm checking in with the mod as to how close I can paraphrase without rule infraction.

[Chronopie]

I don't think Zoroaster is on right now

So I'll hold off on saying anything, until I receive a PM.

[Chronopie]

They don't want to do that, because they gain points for surviving unclaimed.

So No lynch D1, no action N1 = 0 points change = 0 points on D2 scoreboard (in theory).

But not in Fact...

You guys have some weird point mechanics

[Chronopie]

No PM yet.

So I figure I'll just throw it out, and hope that I'm within acceptable limits.

Role Name:

Rogue

CIA Agent

Role: Cop/Miller

Flavour has to do with using the CIA's network to check people.

[Chronopie]

Basically I'm unsure as to how I affect their points boards due to being a miller.

[Chronopie]

No idea. tbh I've only seen a miller flip once before. <ongoing game reference>

I'll ask.

[Chronopie]

I was told that I would show not to be town aligned on investigation. I don't know if that means mafia in particular, I'd assume so.

[Chronopie]

This rule, also why I wanted to check with the mod on my claiming.

3. I know how to prove my Towniness! I'll post my Role PM! No you won't.

Quoting your Role PM or anything I tell you via PM will result in your modkill.

The exception: Members of the Mafia may quote their PMs to each other without reprisal.

[Chronopie]

lol wires crossed all over the place.

I get 'X is aligned with the Town / Not aligned with the Town' format results.

If there are other players with the exact same (Town/non-town) format, then I'd show up as not town.

[speculation]But idk whether there are other/non-other, or mafia/non-mafia cops, and how I'd show to them. [/speculation]

[Chronopie]

Well I could always check anyone claiming town, might catch a few scumballs that way.

Since we also have a member of each non-hostile branch outed, we can verify those claims. ofc they might not want to claim, if they gain points by surviving w/out claiming. but if they all claim, then none of them gain the points, and it's an even playing field.

[Chronopie]

Also we're still waiting on a points board breakdown from the Non-hostiles too.

[Chronopie]

Color Scheme for Dead Guys:

Town

,

Mafia

,

Other: Hostile*

,

Other: Non-hostile*

,

Unknown

*If a player's win condition precludes

town

from winning, they are hostile.

OTOH, I don't think that Unknown is a faction as such. Just the flip of someone with a non-reveal factor. [speculation] or maybe flips that have been Janitored. [/speculation]

[Chronopie]

Name

: Rogue CIA agent

Role

: Miller/Cop

Motive

: I feel that my superiors aren't being proactive enough in hunting those who threaten the USA, so take matters into my own hands, using the CIA's vast network.

[Chronopie]

Ahhh! Ahhhhhh! Time to hastily withdraw my 100% conclusion!

Sorry. BAD typo. Under the assumptions in my last post, I conclude with 100% certainty that Chronopie is

not town

. There is room for him to be other, or to be scum.

Heeelllooooo. Miller. and Zoroaster

refused to confirm or deny

that there were even Points scoring factions, let alone how I would modify the points boards.

[Chronopie]

Anyway. I'm a

Contractor

and my role is

Universal Backup

. I'm not just doing this for the money. I'm doing it for a, um, a

whole lot

of money. Anyway, I activated when Charter did - on

Chronopie's death.

Same Role PM, same role.

Wait, What?

[Chronopie]

@Zorblag: yes, I know a miller role makes me more suspect, but it wasn't an issue (so I thought), until the points boards came into play. At which point I figured I needed to clarify, so as not to be mistakenly power-lynched.

--

FTR I think that atleast one of the point scoring factions would be anti-town inclined. i.e gain points for town lynching. No point to having 3 town aligned non-hostile groups.

--

I don't see why charter is claiming to be town/non-town, when Plum is claiming the same role is other/non-other...

[Chronopie]

@Zorblag: yes, I know a miller role makes me more suspect, but it wasn't an issue (so I thought), until the points boards came into play. At which point I figured I needed to clarify, so as not to be mistakenly power-lynched.

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FTR I think that atleast one of the point scoring factions would be anti-town inclined. i.e gain points for town lynching. No point to having 3 town aligned non-hostile groups.

--

I don't see why charter is claiming to be town/non-town, when Plum is claiming the same role is other/non-other...

UK screwed that up.

[Chronopie]

...wait.

Charter claims

town/not town

other/non-other cop. Supposedly Parama was that. Supposedly Chronopie IS

that

town/not town cop. I do think we have some interesting situations here.

Two Trackers
Two Backups (Other/non-other cops)
Two Cops cops (one other/non-other dead, confirmed town. One Town/non-town, claimed miller)

I get the feeling chrono needs to die.

Matter of (Flawed) opinion

I also get the feeling that the doubled roles aren't all town.

What chrono notices does make Plum more dubious...

OH, ok, I get it now, other/not other.

I'm confused as hell. I'm not sure who to shoot, but I'm PRETTY sure it's going to be one of our doubled roles.

Just fixing the flaws.

[Chronopie]

I figured that a cop investigation would give me time to claim, w/out getting power lynched. The points boards OTOH would immediately have 5 clamouring for blood, assuming they all gain points for Scum lynch, w/out giving me time for a claim, that wouldn't sound full of shit.

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DGB claimed that she guesses unknown as a faction, whereas unknown is only a dead man's flip...

[Chronopie]

x-post w/ trolls last.

[Chronopie]

I thought od that not long after I asked about whether miller would affect the point baord, and Zorb asked. Answer: Not other,

Scum

.

[Chronopie]

Fishy never cleared up what N1 action his group used... It could have been a roleblock.

Would the last government other please claim, Zorblag promises not to shoot you today.*

*

I have no control over Zorblag

--

In other news, I believe that UK is a vig, not an SK. Although an SK would explain why there's a hostile other category, seeing as there's been no hostile other flips

yet]

.

[Chronopie]

I love how you are splitting hairs on "twilight" and "night" for, as it happens, no fucking reason ^-^.

Because, you know, as well as I do, as well as everyone else does, and as well as the mod does, that you're wrong, and trying DESPERATELY to get rid of the vig before you scum dies.

This.

All actions in this game are either Rapid action, or Twilight, there is no night. Scum looking for a twig when drowning in a river. Ain't gonna float.

##Unvote
##Vote: DGB

[Chronopie]

##Unvote
##Vote: DGB

[Chronopie]

That answer your question?

[Chronopie]

@Mod: Check my sig, V/LA

[Chronopie]

And, apparently I was roleblocked.

How disturbing.

anyway, obv

##Vote: Chronopie

given points bullshit, IIRC?

##Vote: UK

You are sooo not town biatch. get lynched.

[Chronopie]

FYI: I placed the cop investigate while the DGB/UK fight was going on, but before DGB started flailing around, on DGB with provisional UK, seeing as I was going V/LA before the lynch.

UK is

Not Town.

Now show her some rope.

[Chronopie]

It's not wifom, or gut, hunch, or suspicion. (Well I guess there is an element of suspicion). It's a sane cop investigation of Not-Town. No wriggle room. Just Rope time.

[Chronopie]

Nice wifom Kitten. Now take the lynch like the Not-Town Killing role you are.

[Chronopie]

Nothing but Wifom from kitten

It's an investigate bitch, no doubts, no wriggle room. Die.

[Chronopie]

And I'm going to miss my exam if I stay here to argue.

The Facts: I Investigated UK, for a result of Not Town

.

Now she's trying to paint it as scum with a false investigation.

[Chronopie]

I figure, seeing as I'm run up, I should make an actual, 100% real full claim.

--

I'm a Scum Rolecop. UK is "Serial Killer with Inquisitive Tendencies." I cannot send in both a kill and rolecop the same night.

I figured calling town/non-town cop was a safe bet, and tacked on miller when Fishy announced that they had access to leaderboards.

--

If I'm strung up today, the RB will hit UK again, if so could plum/charter/both verify that UK is scum tonight. If you rope UK up, you'll see it's true, and well...

I'm screwed right now anyway. just thought I'd clear the air.

[Chronopie]

So now you have a choice: string up the SK and take away a NK, or string up one of the scum team, not reduce the number of kills, and lose an info role, that has been providing real info all game.

[Chronopie]

Plum/Charter/Both, investigate UK tonight, if she's not strung up today. Now that I'm basically dead, just putting that out there.

[Chronopie]

No one cast the hammer until Plum and Charter have had time to change their investigation targets.

You clearly aren't investigation proof, and my PM didn't indicate BP either. therefore the only thing that their investigate will prove is that I was right.

Sweet sweet post lynch revenge.

[Chronopie]

gah, x-posted with the hammer lol.

[Chronopie]

FTR: I was kind of disappointed that the only cop roles in the game were myself (Mafia rolecop), and parama (+Charter/Plum) (town other-cop), and an other one-shot.

Why did the scum pick plum as the final NK? Would have made more sense to target any other townie, and let plum say that UK was Other for an outright win, rather than Zor throwing in the towel. ofc plum was absent for some reason...

--

Also ftr: I would have chosen scum myself, had I the choice, but replacing into a scum slot was good.

And I never

Mislead

outright lied to the town on my investigative results. Fishy

Non-town

Govt. Other, Jack

Town

VT, UK

Non-town

SK.

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I'd originally planed to claim President, but then Zorblag claimed anti-govt. shooter, and Fishy claimed access to point boards, and transmission (-ve points to scum i.e. me), so I threw together a miller claim on the fly.

[Chronopie]

Agreed, Nightless is so much more awesome. Who decided that there was going to be a serious lack of cops on the town's side?

--

Game could have turned out with a much different result if Zorblag had been killed before D4, as it would have been another 5 people aligned with the town, for us to sort through to find those last few townies.

--

Plum, who did you investigate N4? Did charter hammer me before you could change to UK, and would you have?

[Chronopie]

I think that the lack of any cop (or doc, now that I look back), was a major weakness for the town. ftr: bodyguard can be potentially a big loss for little gain.

I notice that the backups wouldn't even have inherited my Rolecop, had myself/cobalt been first dead. So why a give us a godfather? There were a total of 0 roles that have a result of 'scum' for a GF to negate.

[Chronopie]

As I said in various places, it was an attempt to pull my tail feathers out of the fire. Both myself and DGB were transmission targets, we were both scum, therefore the negative points would indicate scumminess. Therefore I pre-claimed miller in an attempt to get another investigation I could give my scumbuddies before I became obv. lynch.