Kenman wrote:Also, the RQS stage is pointless unless just trying to get to know someone. In my experience, it has never lead to tells.
Getting to know someone in a game can be important, even if only minimally so. One can figure out if there's a language barrier, if someone's more likely to exhibit newbie tells, or if someone is used to a drastically different meta, which would affect the way they hunt scum. So far it's done the job.
But yeah, no tells either way. It's more for ice-breaking... and a license to use whatever they say now against them later if they appear scummy.
Ren wrote:Note away but we haven't lied about anything and we meant what we said.
Unfortunately, the only way I can completely be sold on this is after the game is over when all the roles are revealed. The reason I'm not so trusting is I've done it before, so I'm just keeping my bases covered.
andrew94 wrote:anyways, what does every1 think about the guy that had to go to work
Well, people sometimes have to leave for real-life issues, so I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.
I think everyone who is willing to participate in RQS has already done so, so it's time for me to reveal my answers and motivations.
Equinox wrote:1. What is your primary language?
2. Have you had any experience with Mafia outside of this website? It can be real-life Mafia, IRC Mafia, forum Mafia, anything Mafia- or Werewolves-related.
3. Do you feel Mafia theory has any place in scum hunting? Why or why not?
4. Should town players ever lie? Why or why not?
5. What is your preferred method of scum hunting? Why? (If this is your first time playing Mafia, I don't expect you to answer this question as thoroughly as everyone else, but I'd still like to hear your thoughts.)
6. What do you think about fence-sitters, the people who don't have a position either way? Is it an anti-town thing to do? Why or why not?
7. This question is very important. It must be answered. Coca-Cola or Pepsi?
1. English.
2. My MafiaScum games are in my
wiki; otherwise, I've been playing on IRC for the past couple of years. They use a lot of PRs over there, so the meta is drastically different.
3. Scum are aware of the theories as well, but I still think we can refer to them when we're hunting scum. Even though theory may be based on ideal situations or whatnot, it's still grounded in past events and evidence, and scum often slip in similar ways; that's how the theories were made.
4. Where I came from, townies often claimed PRs and vice versa to save themselves and other PRs. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't. I say this because I think this is what andrew94 meant when he said there are reasons why town can and should lie. His experience may have suggested that town do so to protect their PRs and themselves. I wish he had elaborated when someone confronted him about it, but since he didn't say it, I figured I would.
In a semi-open setup like this, though, where we might not have PRs at all, it would be detrimental if a town player claimed a PR, since town would end up relying on information that wasn't even true. It would be equally bad for a PR to claim town, too, since it would be that much more difficult for the PR to make his/her case later when it's actually needed (e.g., cop claims town, then town might choose to not believe cop when there's an investigation result). A town player may play deceptively -- placing a vote on someone s/he doesn't truly suspect, for instance -- but they shouldn't lie outright.
I'm on the fence for open setups, though.
5. Since I tend to fence-sit in the beginning when there's not much to go on, I don't find initial fence-sitting to be scummy. Fence-sitting after the early stages of Day 1, when everyone has chimed in and there are cases to be picked apart, would be worrisome, though, and I won't hesitate to call people out on it.
6. ...Coca-Cola tastes better.
As for the reasons I picked these questions...
1. I am the kind of person who would pick on semantics. Sure, both town and scum slip up when they say things, but I like reading into word and sentence choices. I wanted to make sure that, if I ended up targeting someone on the basis of something they said, it wasn't due to unfamiliarity with the language. (I would have asked this even if andrew94 was not playing, so I didn't ask this to give him an out.)
2. If someone is from a different site/channel, they're probably going to use their experience there while scum hunting here, so some practices they use might not necessarily be scummy; it's just what they're used to doing. This might be used as an excuse crutch as well, so I wanted to know their answer to this question in the event they use it to explain their actions later.
3. I asked this mainly out of curiosity, since I've seen people object to it. I also wanted to know if we had players who were more inclined to use gut than reasoning/theory, since I've seen those as well.
4. This ties into #2, though andrew94's insistence on lying influenced my asking the question. If anyone else thought lying was a good idea, I wanted to know that, too.
5. In hindsight, this might not have been a very good question to ask, but it can be used all the same. I expect the newbies to change their tactics as the game goes on and they get more experience, but it shouldn't be too drastic of a change... because then there's the issue of inconsistency. Are you changing your tactic because you're scum and you suddenly realized that you're painting yourself into a corner? Or are you just newbie town, learning the ropes?
6. Heh. I did steal the question from Netopalis. This was for kicks and giggles.
I see a few people have differing opinions on town lying and fence-sitters. Good stuff. It looks like this game is going to become interesting pretty quickly.
