Mini 969 - Smalltown: Stardust Mafia (Game Over)

[Zang]

I'm going to come back two days before deadline. And if you want me to vote, I will vote.

Vote:ReaperCharlie

for not even considering that I will actually be V/LA and instead calling me "obvscum".

[Faraday]

@ Faraday: Your weak defense of Jack's scummy behavior is noted. Please explain to me how you find it scummy to ANSWER questions (like I have been doing), but you DON'T find it scummy to NOT answer questions (like Jack)? That's pretty backwards.

Your noting of my defense is also noted. It all depends how you answer them, of course. I thought the fact I was probably townie was really obvious he was talking about %'s and nothing related to the game.


STARBUCK AND CALLMELIAM WHERE ARE YOU BOTH??????

[Faraday]

Zang is scum. One of our hardcore lurkers is probably scum.

[Faraday]

I've played like one game with you and your play there was about ten times more protown. How do I "know you better than I'm letting on"? How is that scummy of me?

Well you seem to know him well enough to make the judgement that his play was better than that, even from page 4 of that game. The fact the scenario's are remarkably similar in terms of what happened - Jack refusing to answer a simple question mostly for reactions makes it even more odd.

What's the other one besides Avatar? Your meta defense is worthless, as are almost all meta defenses.

Well if you're going to attack him (or partly) based on meta (you're better than this, you were 10x more protown) then saying he can't defend himself with meta is a copout.


I've no real read on Jack, I might have to go read some of his scum games, other than pyp2, to see if he does things like that as scum. Maybe he can save me the trouble and tell me


The point about a reapercharlie lynch is valid, actually. Having a day 1 go by with no flip isn't ideal thus I don't really want to lynch him today, no lynch, or it's equivalant day 1 is disastorous.

[Faraday]

Mod please prod peanutman if you haven't. His last post was almost a week ago :/

[ReaperCharlie]

[Jack]

unvote, vote:reapercharlie

Very good. I will kill him tonight. Anyone interfering with that is obvscum.

I would highly recommend that the bodyguard protect the one-shot sensor, and that the one shot sensor use their ability. The merits of saving it seem limited, and I think we have a good chance of catching most of the scum outside this wagon.

[ReaperCharlie]

*reads Jack's post*

*concentrates like Yoda*

"...I... I sense... scum...."

"Yes... yes, I'm sure of it..."

[charter]

I've played like one game with you and your play there was about ten times more protown. How do I "know you better than I'm letting on"? How is that scummy of me?

Well you seem to know him well enough to make the judgement that his play was better than that, even from page 4 of that game. The fact the scenario's are remarkably similar in terms of what happened - Jack refusing to answer a simple question mostly for reactions makes it even more odd.

He came back into that game, so there is more than four pages I'm basing this on. What Jack said is only about a quarter of the picture, which makes the argument even worse, and him even scummier.

What's the other one besides Avatar? Your meta defense is worthless, as are almost all meta defenses.

Well if you're going to attack him (or partly) based on meta (you're better than this, you were 10x more protown) then saying he can't defend himself with meta is a copout.

I'm not using that as a point against Jack. I never said I thought he was scum because of meta. He brought it up it up as a reason to say I'm scum, 'well Charter should know this is how I play, he's not acknowledging that so he's scum'. You need to read more carefully.

I've no real read on Jack, I might have to go read some of his scum games, other than pyp2, to see if he does things like that as scum. Maybe he can save me the trouble and tell me

I find this impossible to believe. Jack's arguments are horrible. Read whatever you have to and get a read on him. Fence sitting is unacceptable.

After Jack's latest post, there is absolutely no way he is town. He's trying to tell not one but two roles what they should do. Obviously you shouldn't say what you're going to do before time. I am literally ripping my hair out at how the people in this game are letting him get away with his scumminess. He's playing atrociously and no one but me and RC is saying anything.

[ReaperCharlie]

Wait so... Jack's vote the hammer? Good job lynching a townie guys.

[totallynotmafia]

Hmm well we'll see tomorrow. I think Jack's suggestion for the bodyguard is actually a good one as the one shot sensor is probably our best bet for finding scum.

[Faraday]

Ugh that was a premature hammer. I still wanted far more out of our lurkers, who've provided nothing. it also means day ends with no flip which is not great at all and something I was against.

[ooba]

..] Vote Count [..

Faraday (0)

Kdub (0)

MagnaOfIllusion (0)

havingfitz (0)

ReaperCharlie (7)

- totallynotmafia, MagnaOfIllusion, havingfitz, Starbuck, CallMeLiam, Zang, Jack

Starbuck (0)

totallynotmafia (0)

Zang (2)

- Faraday, peanutman

Jack (2)

- charter, ReaperCharlie

charter (0)

CallMeLiam (0)

peanutman (0)

Not voting (1)

- Kdub

That's a lynch!

ReaperCharlie,

Revivor

, ????? lynched day one

"The stars are shinning less brightly today"

You have 72 hours from this post to get in your night actions - the earlier deadline holds good for night now.

[ooba]

"Oh, please, you're not annoyed at that whole murder thing, are you?"

Faraday,

Billy the Goat

, Town, blown up with a blast of magic
MagnaOfIllusion,

Ditchwater Sal

, Town, stabbed with a sword

GroupThink has replaced peanutman. Thanks GroupThink!. Night extension was to give him time to catch up.

It is now D2. A two-weak deadline is in place!

With 10 alive, its now 6 to lynch!

[totallynotmafia]

Two questions:

1) GroupThink, did you use your one shot ability last night?

2) Jack, why didn't you kill RC like you said you were going to do? We are now deprived of a lot of information without that flip.

On the plus side, RC if you are town, this is your chance to prove it.

Also everyone else needs to reveal what they did with their night actions last night.

[charter]

Vote Jack

There is absolutely no way my vote is moving today. Things to add to the list of his ultra scummy actions:
Quickhammering and ending the day WAY too early, while we still had about four lurkers (probably two of them are his buddies).
Not killing RC despite his claims that RC is such omgobvscum.

I agree with everyone claiming their actions, I didn't commute last night.

[Jack]

I targeted RC.

There was no pro-town reason for anyone to interfere with my kill. If anyone did, they should say so.

[Zang]

I networked Jack.

(we can also talk for the first 48 hours of today but I don't know If this is normal or because I got my action in late)

[totallynotmafia]

@Jack: what do you think happened to your "vig" attempt?

@Zang: why did you choose to network with Jack?

[Kdub]

I motivated Faraday.

Since both the mafia and SK kills went through, that means either Jack was roleblocked by Magna, or Jack is lying. No other role could have interfered with Jack's action in a way that would have stopped it altogether. Magna was voting RC yesterday and sided with Jack, so I see no reason why he would have blocked Jack.

Vote: Jack

[totallynotmafia]

Argh, kdub I was thinking the exact same thing, but I wanted to hear what Jack would say first before putting it out there becasue Magna was showing some suspicion of Jack towards the end of the day so it's plausible that he may have blocked Jack. It really doesn't make sense for Magna to have blocked Jack though considering Jack was targetting somebody Magna believed to be scummy. At any rate I want to hear from Jack first.

[ReaperCharlie]

At any rate I want to hear from Jack first.

Don't hold your breath.

[ReaperCharlie]

Oh yeah.

Vote: Jack

I think my reasons from yesterday should stand for themselves.

[havingfitz]

Should we get a claim first for what everyone did/targetted last night?

Not sure if the sensor's ability would be best used tonight or when the pool of voters gets a bit smaller. Is there any way to guarantee the sensor could survive another night?

[totallynotmafia]

If GT didn't use the sensor last night then he should certainly use it tonight as it may be the last time he is able to be protected. If GT hasn't used it then the bodyguard (CML) needs to protect him again tonight, and it would be in the SK's best interest not to kill either GT or CML as they need to find the mafia as well, so hopefully GT would have another opportunity to use the sensor tonight if he hasn't used it already. Anyway, let's hear what GT has to say.