Mini 973: "Bawhston" Brawl (WHAT A WIN!)

[JacobSavage]

Ever heard of a phrase called bussing?
Because just becase their is scum on the wagon doesn't mean that the wagon is wrong

[Oso]

I may be wrong but I think that is 6 on JacobSavage. L-1.

A claim from him would be useful before someone hammers him.

[JacobSavage]

Right, now this is where everything gets really interesting, and to be honest I had hoped that this point had happened later.

I am the Town Vigilante. I had hoped to appear as scummy as possible before the night phase so I could go about my duty, hence the deal with Nik

[Oso]

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I had hoped to appear as scummy as possible before the night phase so I could go about my duty, hence the deal with Nik

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It satisfied me. Im more convinced then I was at first over you being scum.

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Do you understand that this is why people want to lynch you?

"Think ya used enough dynamite there, Butch?" (Translation: you may have got that scum impression across

TOO

well.

Couple of questions while I think on this some:

Are you One-Shot or unlimited? (Not that that really matters, just want to clarify for my own curiosity).

Are you willing to turn your power over to the town vote (we make a vig vote and then a lynch vote, get a twofor based on popular consensus) or are you going to use it as you see fit? Regardless of anything the other players may say?

[InflatablePie]

Unvote

Not lynching a provable. Everyone keep in mind there could be an SK though.

Jacob, do you have any restrictions? Even or Odd Night, limited shots, etc.?

Vote: TheButtonmen

Gonna be back here again.

[InflatablePie]

Are you willing to turn your power over to the town vote (we make a vig vote and then a lynch vote, get a twofor based on popular consensus)

I really like this idea.

[q21]

@Nika

You have yourself a deal

Unvote; Vote:Slepz

Seriously. Nikanor's suggestion of the set up lynch was scummy... but the eagerness with which JS agrees to it screams scum at me. I suddenly find myself violently opposed to a Slepz lynch and would much prefer a JS lynch.

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3. THIS IS A DEAL, this entire game (by that I mean of Mafia as a whole) is about winning votes, in this case I vote Slepz to lynch xRecknonerx tomorrow/renegotiate if he flips scum.

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8. Personally I see this as a win/win situation, if Slepz is scum, thats good. If he's town we lynch Recks. I seems like a good deal

3. Winning votes by killing someone you think is more townie than scummy. In deal making and compromise there is a line, you crossed it.

8. And if recks is town? How can you be so sure that you're willing to lynch a possible townie for it? AND... you only have Nika's word that he'll help with that lynch, no one else. Which means you're willing to be complicit in what might well be a townie lynch on the promise of ONE vote tomorrow.


Even taking the RC into account I want to hammer him. Its too easy a cover for a SK. If there's only one kill then there's wifom surrounding the possibility of a scum RB. The idea that you have to be scummy to get an action tonight is flawed, even if you were to get nightkilled your own action should still go off.

And even on the very small chance that you're telling the truth about your role I find that Vigs tend to hurt the town more than help it so your claim does nothing to convince me not to do this.

Vote Jacob Savage

[q21]

lol... apparently not a hammer. I still think he should be lynched.

[InflatablePie]

Swing and a miss, q21.

I don't think he should be lynched. Even if he IS an SK, I think we should keep Jacob on a leash just in case. If he doesn't comply, then we lynch him up. Simple. Or if his kill flavor is stab or something.

By the way, unless someone hammers him here, I'm fine with RH/Slepz - lynch one, shoot the other.

[InflatablePie]

*The Buttonmen

I forget he replaced out.

[JacobSavage]

@Oso

1. Unlimited
2. I would be happy with that.

q21 looks like a quite hammer?

[Nikanor]

Jacob, would you be willing to kill Hoopla tonight?

[Hoopla]

Hammertime;

Unvote, vote: jacob

Because his claim sucks. Like woah. Unlimited vig with a PGO I can't really see, that's a lot of potential nightkills, if I hadn't claimed it could have been more than 3. Final thoughts Jacob? Fast, before the mod gets in.

[Oso]

@Oso

1. Unlimited

2. I would be happy with that.

q21 looks like a quite hammer?

Ok then, at the risk of suggesting something that my lead to my own lynch, the main problem I have with Hoopla's RC is that up until now, I haven't figured out a way to prove it on my own.

Vig Hoopla. And the rest of the town PRs stay the hell away from her tonight.

If she lying, she is dead. If she is true-claiming then that is about the closest I can think of being able to confirming her RC. Granted, you will be dead but we will have a

NON-NKable, CONFIRMED TOWNIE

in trade. I think it is well worth the trade-off.

Think about that for a second, a confirmed townie that no scum killing role can touch, except through convincing the rest of the game to lynch her. Hell, in your shoes as a vig (if you have true-claimed) I'd do it myself. If she is lying then minus one scum if not, I'm dead but the town has a middling powerful weapon to use against scum in that there is no need to protect/watch/investigate her for the rest of the game.

Now when I first read Jacob's RC, this idea came to me and I have time to think on it some but I haven't had time to think it all the way through and there may be some holes in it. I wanted to get it out there quickly because q21 has put Jacob back at L-1 and there is still a great danger that JS could be hammered before we discuss this some.

[Oso]

Sorry about that. I was composing while Hoopla posted. Didn't refresh before submitting

[InflatablePie]

...

Oso got ninja'd hard by Hoopla herself.

And that hammer looks scummy as all hell - almost 10 minutes after Nik asks that question.

[InflatablePie]

I say if Jacob flips Vig, we could consider a Hoopla lynch?

She said it herself, what are the odds of an unlimited vig AND a PGO?

[Hoopla]

Oso, I think you misunderstand how a PGO works. All actions on me succeed, however I still kill whoever targets me, indiscriminately. A scum or vig kill still kills me, but I kill them too.

This is irrelevant now as Jacob is dead anyway.

[Hoopla]

On the unlikely chance Jacob is town, he needs to get in quick to give his final reads.

[yabbaguy]

A group of mob members go to string up JacobSavage...





They bring the noose down to string him up...






...and yet there were only 6. With a mystified look on their face, all motion stops, and a few seconds later, they put Jacob down. Insert awkward silence.

Vote Count:

7 to lynch

JacobSavage (6): Furry, havingfitz, Gwynplaine, xRECKONERx, q21, Hoopla
Slepz (2): Nikanor, JacobSavage
TheButtonmen (2): Oso, InflatablePie
Gwynplaine (1): TheButtonmen
Hoopla (1): Slepz

Deadline is 6/6 @ 10 PM GMT-4. No Lynch occurs if this elapses.
Still Prodding: Slepz

Hoopla was already voting JacobSavage, so her vote has no effect. Continue.

[InflatablePie]

*awkward silence*

That was on purpose, wasn't it.

[Hoopla]

Way to ruin it yabba.

[yabbaguy]

You gave no mention that you wanted me to delay the votecount, and therefore I am under no obligation to. Try a PM in advance next time.

[Oso]

The Paranoid Gun Owner, similar to the Army Veteran, involuntarily kills anyone who targets him during the night, regardless of alignment. He can be a liability to the Town for this reason, as he indiscriminately kills Cops, Doctors, etc. He can not choose to kill.

@Hoopla, I assumed that the PGO lived through the attempt since it didn't specifically address being targeted by a killing role. My assumption was that the PGO preempted any target attempts. But in all honesty, this is the only game I have been in that even had a claim of PGO in it, so my experience with the role is exactly zero.

So I'll take your word for it unless someone else has some input on it.

[InflatablePie]

My only experience with any PGO-like role is a role called "Granny" on EpicMafia.

So mine's about as good as yours, tbh.