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[Gammagooey]

...I think I got this.

The only reason why it would make sense for Chrono to do this as scum is if he's the roleblocker and worried about getting lynched and not being able to block UKvig kills tonight. Otherwise the mafia would just RB+kill UK tonight and be done with it. He can't be protecting charter-roleblocker because then charter couldn't have performed the kills.

On the other hand, if UK is scum she pretty much has to be a serial killer. So here's what we're gonna do.

-We no lynch. (we've got 10 living people, assuming 4 total maf with DGB dead we'd still keep the mislynch)

-charter and Plum both investigate UK for other-ness.
-farside and RC both track Chronopie.
-Chronopie visits someone who is NOT UK (i'd perfer Stranger/pops)

Assuming there's one scum in each of Plum/charter and RC/farside (which may not be the case) they still can't kill both townies who would be investigating.
If there is a unanimous consensus of UK is not other+Chrono visted UK or UK is other+Chrono didn't visit UK we have our lynch tommorrow. If not we lynch the majority- If the majority isn't scum then we have THREE people who are confirmed lying scum (which is probably the entire remaining scumteam). For instance if RC dies and charter+farside say UK is scum when she isn't then bing bang boom charter+farside+Chrono scumteam.

GOT IT?
GOOD.

##Vote:No lynch

[StrangerCoug]

I'll give what happened since my last visit a quick read. I couldn't think of a neighborizer target in time.

[farside22]

No. Not just no but hell no.

[Gammagooey]

And would you like to say why not?

[UncertainKitten]

@Gamma: Why are you assuming that scum can't act and perform a kill in the same night?

He wasn't tracked, so he could easily have blocked me and claimed his Elli kill.

Your plan seems sound but I don't see why we have to no lynch.

[StrangerCoug]

As far as StrangerCoug goes, if DrippingGoofball is mafia then he's a pretty decent choice for a partner. The numbers he got from LlamaFluff which he says he hadn't figured out at all would be a pretty good trap for someone like me to interpret in a way that made it look more likely that the census collector claim was true. Of course as it turns out they require that LlamaFluff passed the second one on after he was already dead which is a bit surprising.

I wouldn't assume that LlamaFluff's reputation as a scum hunter would make scum not want to neighbor with him; scum would probably try to get cozy with town in any case and if LlamaFluff hinted roleblocker or redirector of some sort in the qt that would make for a tempting kill for the mafia last night.

Feel free to let the WIFOM accusations fly, but the only way in hell I'm neighborizing LlamaFluff as scum neighborizer is if I want to suck up to him.

@Gamma: I find that's often SC town. He's very passive and doesn't make waves. However, I don't know SC scum very well.

I've been described (by my predecessor, actually) as spontaneous town and calculating scum. I actually like to think of myself as more aggressive, but later in the game what you say is pretty much true.

If you don't mind I would like to ask a question from SC first.
StrangeCoug is there any reason you didn't target anyone yesterday if you are a neighborizer?

See my last post. There is a target I'm thinking I would probably have neighborized now, but it's the target I'm going to use tonight instead, so I'm not going to claim him or her.

Well, since it's

neighborizing

, you don't know their alignment, so you wouldn't fail to bring them into your neighborhood.

This is correct.

It's not wifom, or gut, hunch, or suspicion. (Well I guess there is an element of suspicion). It's a sane cop investigation of Not-Town. No wriggle room. Just Rope time.

Rope time is when you answer farside22's question, and then only if I believe you. I refuse to believe UK is idiotic enough to claim vig as SK.

I'm now leaning town on farside22.

[Plum]

Gamma - bad idea. As far as I can tell it falls to pieces if UK is Town, which I think is very very likely. In any case, I don't see clear enough evidence this no lynch would provide better info or outcome than just following through this deal, which is at worst a one-for-one Town for Scum/Hostile Other trade. No lynch might theoretically give an outside chance of catching the whole scumteam which empirically would be a nil chance, while giving the scum more time to winnow us down . . . which I assume is what you mean by 'lynch the majority' - that is, we'd have just given up a Day we could have lynched scum to see if the scum would set themselves on the temple altar, grab the knife, and ceremoniously remove their own still-beating virgin heart to spare us the bother of getting our hands bloody ourselves.

I suppose we

could

lynch a secondary suspect today and see what we find out tomorrow but I'm inclined against it.

##Vote: Chronopie

UK is quite Town after the DGB escapade yesterday and besides which no one else is claiming her kills. Outside chance she's Other but the likelihood of her as SK pulling off the win even if we lynch Chrono and he's Town is slim to none. And everything Farside said on the subject, which is the same ideas only prettier and more fleshed out.

[UncertainKitten]

Eh, I'm using UK's secret meta technique that'd probably get her in trouble for my town read on you.

[Gammagooey]

The only games on this site I've seen where scum can use an active ability and make the kill were newbie games, if you've seen other games where that happens here show me 'em.

We don't have to no lynch but if we mislynch and there's three remaining scum then that takes away the majority factor tommorrow since if two are in <Plum charter farside RC> they can kill one and say oh the last ones just desperate scum protecting his partner. We can lynch today but that'll take away the pretty-much guaranteedness of tommorrows results, if we do pops or Stranger is the way to go.

[popsofctown]

The way I see it, Chronopie is quite probably scum who sees himself in the home stretch. The death of all those others just gave the scum a very clear picture of how close they are to winning the game, so I think it's now of all time they would want to make a gambit and thar she blows. I think he just wants to trade lives with the vig.

##vote: Chronopie

That just has to be the way I fall on this one. If he IS telling the truth, Kitty is probably just an SK, not a vig shooting at a large scum teeam, so we aren't in imminent danger anyway.

[Gammagooey]

I got hella ninjaed, one sec while i read up on stuff.

[Plum]

Gamma - I can rustle up a few for you, but I know a lot of Mods are partial to listing factional abilities in a separate section from personal abilities and will allow one of each or such, so a scum Roleblocker can in many cases block and kill on the same Night (or for the end of the same Day). And furthermore see the sample Town PM the Mod posted at the beginning of the game:

Factional Abilities:
<none>

Passive Abilities:
<none>

Active Abilities:
<none>

[UncertainKitten]

@Gamma: Oh, every game I, Tar, Malt, Kai, and other mods run.

And Plum just showed Zora is such a mod.

[Gammagooey]

Plum- How does it fall to pieces? As far as I can tell the only way it can fail is if you/charter are scum with Chrono and the other gets killed AND Chrono isn't actually the roleblocker, in which case this is a really, really dumb gambit.
ninjaed edit: or charter is a roleblocker like you say and he can do both, but in the ever-often-mentioned mafia reverb that Vi made even the scum who could do multiple night actions per night (Rhinox) couldn't use his factional kill and regular abilities in the same night.

IMO-The difference between lynching and and no lynching right now is having no chance of wasting a mislynch and pretty much having the correct lynch guaranteed tommorrow.

[UncertainKitten]

@Gamma: Zora isn't Vi. We can check Almost No Rules Mafia to see what he allowed though.

[Gammagooey]

Vi, SpyreX and Zoraster subsequently made a full setup based on these selections.

Doop, but I'll go check zoraster's wiki games.

[StrangerCoug]

The only games on this site I've seen where scum can use an active ability and make the kill were newbie games, if you've seen other games where that happens here show me 'em.

@Gamma: Oh, every game I, Tar, Malt, Kai, and other mods run.

And Plum just showed Zora is such a mod.

I also mod in such a way.

[Gammagooey]

Actually let's try the easy way first.

@Mod/Zoraster: Can mafia PRs kill and use their ability on the same night?

[Gammagooey]

PS if I can count correctly Chrono is at L-2, I'd like to get an answer from Zor before we lynch.

[zoraster]

Actually let's try the easy way first.

@Mod/Zoraster: Can mafia PRs kill and use their ability on the same night?

In the absence of an indication to the contrary in an ability, the ability can be used at the same time as any other ability available to a player.

[UncertainKitten]

Which means nothing, but given the factional/passive/active breakdown, I assume means "yes"

[Gammagooey]

Well fuck that then. It's still a decent plan but with the chance of charter being the roleblocker murderer the guaranteed success pretty much goes out the window.

Double checked and this will be L-1.

Vote:Chronopie

[zoraster]

Day 4 Vote Count

charter ( 0 )
Chronopie ( 4 ) UncertainKitten farside22 Plum popsofctown
d3x ( 0 )
Debonair Danny DiPietro ( 0 )
DrippingGoofball ( 0 )
Ellibereth ( 0 )
farside22 ( 0 )
fishythefish ( 0 )
Gammagooey ( 0 )
imaginality ( 0 )
StrangerCoug ( 0 )
animorpherv1 ( 0 )
popsofctown ( 0 )
RedCoyote ( 0 )
Shotty to the Body ( 0 )
UncertainKitten ( 1 ) Chronopie
Plum ( 0 )
Zorblag ( 0 )
No Lynch ( 1 ) Gammagooey
Not Voting ( 4 ) StrangerCoug Debonair Danny DiPietro RedCoyote charter
Total Votes ( 10 )

Deadline: June 11th at 11:00 EDT
With 10able to vote, 6 needed to lynch.

[UncertainKitten]

Gamma, you didn't vote right.

[zoraster]

Hi guys. I didn't send out any PMs for pre-ins for my mini-theme game (didn't want any repeats of this game!), but I'd like to invite everyone playing or watching, etc. to sign-up for Trader Mafia, which has now entered into sign-ups. The gist is that you can buy and sell abilities on your way to leading your team to victory.

A small warning that this is indeed an experimental game.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 54#2292354

Thanks.