Mini 971: Princess bride - They all lived .......

Parama · Post Post #550 (ISO) » Wed Jun 16, 2010 1:04 pm

I figured from the flavor and the dichotomy that Prince = scum and Princess = town.

MacavityLock · Post Post #551 (ISO) » Wed Jun 16, 2010 1:12 pm

horror, are you required to hide every night? Also, other than your name which you can't say, have you full claimed? I want nothing more than a yes or no.

farside22 · Post Post #552 (ISO) » Wed Jun 16, 2010 1:30 pm

vote count:

Parama (2) Jack, CMAR
ekiM (2) Parama, SPS
Jack (1) horrordude

Not voting:

Kmd
MacavityLock
ekiM

With 8 alive it will take 5 to lynch
Day 3 deadline is June 26, 7:30am PST

Jack · Post Post #553 (ISO) » Wed Jun 16, 2010 5:12 pm

Here's the thing though. Regardless of whether parama believed that flavor didn't indicate alignment (his scummy dancing on that issue make it likely that he knew it quite well, and just wants to act like he didn't) for all farside knew the very first lynch would be fezzick the goon, and then inigo the townie would be killed that night. What was parama supposed to make of his investigation results then? You don't make a role who's value is dependent on the person who gets it misinterpreting the setup. If the role had gone to someone who knew from playing in past games that farside doesn't make flavor indicate alignment, then what the hell are they supposed to do with results that say "prince" or "princess"? Catch them fake claiming, but why would they?

ekiM · Post Post #554 (ISO) » Wed Jun 16, 2010 11:47 pm

Quick thought: what do people think about massclaim today?

ekiM · Post Post #555 (ISO) » Wed Jun 16, 2010 11:50 pm

@Mod: Would you kindly prod KMD if possible?

Steam-Powered Shovel · Post Post #556 (ISO) » Thu Jun 17, 2010 3:09 am

ekiM wrote:Quick thought: what do people think about massclaim today?

I wouldn't be opposed to it.

Parama · Post Post #557 (ISO) » Thu Jun 17, 2010 3:10 am

Massclaim would be a-ok with me. I mean, we already have 2 dead PRs and 3 more claimed ones alive.

Jack · Post Post #558 (ISO) » Thu Jun 17, 2010 3:37 am

There is no point in mass claiming.

CryMeARiver · Post Post #559 (ISO) » Thu Jun 17, 2010 3:47 am

ekiM wrote:Quick thought: what do people think about massclaim today?

Don't think it will help, but I have no problem claiming.
I still like Jack's pressure on Parama

Jack · Post Post #560 (ISO) » Thu Jun 17, 2010 3:50 am

CryMeARiver wrote:
ekiM wrote:Quick thought: what do people think about massclaim today?
Don't think it will help, but I have no problem claiming.

If you don't think it'll help, why don't you have a problem with claiming?

MacavityLock · Post Post #561 (ISO) » Thu Jun 17, 2010 5:06 am

I don't think we need it. I have a theory, but I need the answers to those questions to horror first.

CryMeARiver · Post Post #562 (ISO) » Thu Jun 17, 2010 6:45 am

Jack wrote:
CryMeARiver wrote:
ekiM wrote:Quick thought: what do people think about massclaim today?
Don't think it will help, but I have no problem claiming.
If you don't think it'll help, why don't you have a problem with claiming?

Don't think it will help

me

personally, don't think it will hurt the town either

Parama · Post Post #563 (ISO) » Thu Jun 17, 2010 7:36 am

CryMeARiver wrote:
ekiM wrote:Quick thought: what do people think about massclaim today?
Don't think it will help, but I have no problem claiming.
I still like Jack's pressure on Parama

So you're voting me for pressure purposes and not because you find me scummy?

CryMeARiver · Post Post #564 (ISO) » Thu Jun 17, 2010 7:42 am

Parama wrote:
CryMeARiver wrote:
ekiM wrote:Quick thought: what do people think about massclaim today?
Don't think it will help, but I have no problem claiming.
I still like Jack's pressure on Parama
So you're voting me for pressure purposes and not because you find me scummy?

As I said before, and you clearly chose to ignore, I dislike your reaction under Jack's pressure (buddying and terrible use of WIFOM)

Parama · Post Post #565 (ISO) » Thu Jun 17, 2010 7:47 am

What buddying?
And your only comment on the WIFOM was a crappy meta argument.

CryMeARiver · Post Post #566 (ISO) » Thu Jun 17, 2010 7:50 am

Parama wrote:What buddying?
And your only comment on the WIFOM was a crappy meta argument.

You were buddying up to Jack, at least it was pretty clear to be that way from my point of view.
And no, what happened was I threw in a tiny bit of meta on top of my original statement, and you countered it with WIFOM. You were trying to pretty much use WIFOM > meta argument which doesn't fly with me.

Parama · Post Post #567 (ISO) » Thu Jun 17, 2010 7:56 am

No, I have a town read on Jack and I said I had a town read on Jack. Is there a problem with that?
WIFOM isn't cool either but I was bored so I used it. Wheeeee

Kmd4390 · Post Post #568 (ISO) » Thu Jun 17, 2010 4:20 pm

Blah. I gotta get around to this game. My head isn't really in it right now and I'm kinda busy the next few days. I will get around to it though. Promise.

horrordude0215 · Post Post #569 (ISO) » Thu Jun 17, 2010 6:50 pm

Macavity Lock wrote:horror, are you required to hide every night? Also, other than your name which you can't say, have you full claimed? I want nothing more than a yes or no.

No to the first, yes to the second.

I'm back, and I'll admit that I was being a bit of a dumbass with the Jack vote. I'm not used to his style, although I find it extremely anti-town.

Unvote

I'll catch up more later.

MacavityLock · Post Post #570 (ISO) » Thu Jun 17, 2010 7:05 pm

Damn, theory broken. Time to do some digging for DDD connections.

Wait, do we have iso back? Yays!

MacavityLock · Post Post #571 (ISO) » Thu Jun 17, 2010 7:16 pm

Parama doesn't read as DDD's scumbuddy to me. CMAR definitely does. VOTE: CMAR. This is mostly based on a close skim, so deeper digging is required, but I want to plant a flag in a CMAR wagon for now.

horrordude0215 · Post Post #572 (ISO) » Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:08 pm

Just wondering, Macavity, what was your theory on me?

MacavityLock · Post Post #573 (ISO) » Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:20 pm

Not worth mentioning, trust me, and may be anti-town to do so. I will discuss post-game if still curious.

Kmd4390 · Post Post #574 (ISO) » Fri Jun 18, 2010 6:06 pm

Ok. Adding colors where needed:

Kmd4390 wrote:
farside22 wrote:
vote count:

bv310 (1) wolframnhart
Parama (2), Steam Powered Shovel, ekiM

SensFan
(7) bv310,
curiouskarmadog
,
animorpherv1
, Jack, Parama, Kmd439,
SensFan

Shovel (1) MacavityLock
Not voting:

Debonair Danny DiPietro

First and last vote generally are less often the scum on a lynch. Also, I know myself to be town. I'm looking at bv, CKD, Jack, and Parama for at least one scum. Which is interesting because I have town reads on all of those players.

I'd bet my left testicle that Jack or Parama is scum. Not the right one. Just in case I'm wrong. But I'm not.

Now, let me get the vote count when Horror was about to be lynched and put it next to the DDD lynch.

ekiM (2) Parama, Steam Powered Shovel
Kmd (1) CryMeARiver
Jack (1) Horrordude
Horrordude (5) Jack, ekiM, Kmd4390, MacavityLock,

Debonair Danny DiPietro

Not voting:

curiouskarmadog

ekiM (2) Parama, Steam Powered Shovel
Kmd (1) CryMeARiver

DDD

(4) Jack, MacavityLock,

curiouskarmadog

, ekiM
Jack (1) Horrordude
Horrordude (2) Kmd4390,

Debonair Danny DiPietro

Jack, Mac, and ekiM switched from Horror to DDD. I doubt Jack and Mac are scum for this move. ekiM is still possible as a last ditch bus attempt.

Horror is pretty likely town IMO.

posts between the two vote counts that stand out:

Jack wrote:I think I would rather lynch DDD

unvote, vote:DDD

This comes after Horror's "I wasn't lying, kthx" post. I HIGHLY doubt that this is DDD's scumbuddy talking. He was first to switch over to DDD.

Parama wrote:I think I would rather
unvote
vote: ekiM

*sigh*

Next post after Jack's. Looks like DDD's scumbuddy who saw Jack's post and wanted to go in another direction. Also, left testicle and all. Jack probably isn't scum, so that leaves Parama.

Shovel wrote:No-lynch is not an option unless everyone unvotes, ML, so get voting.

Have you considered ekiM?

I could also see this as a DDD/Parama buddy if there is a third scum.

Upon reflection, when I said above that Mac probably wasn't scum with DDD, ignore that. His post is a lazy vote after people start going away from the Horror wagon and he says deadline will fall while he's asleep. Still a point in his favor that he chose DDD over ekiM though. I also think ekiM is town if Parama is scum because it looks like Parama tried to deflect to ekiM which would make no sense if DDD and ekiM were both Parama's scumbuddies.

Vote Parama

based on my left testicle.

I'm gonna read Day 3 now.