Karma Mafia (Game Over!)

[Javert]

I am not going to speculate for a role that I think is a fake-claim. I do not think your role has a Strong Mode or a Weak Mode, and that is precisely why I am voting for you.

As for the "two nights you haven't told us about," that is your duty to explain, and not mine. But if you would like me to hazard a guess, perhaps you are responsible for the two nights we have had two kills. I have been having trouble seeing you as scum with Sando in particular, but being scum in your own right is certainly making a good deal of sense.

Wow, I really must have put the cat among the pigeons in team scum if you're resorting to desperate measures like this. It doesn't even make sense! Firstly my claim is entirely fake - then I'm some kind of scum-half-rolecop-half-extra-killer. Pure genius.

Your responses are just getting better and better. You are not even responding.

I think your claim is one of two things, as I said in the post where I voted for you:

a.)

Your claim is entirely fake; or

b.)

You actually do have some ability to learn role names, but that this ability is a scum ability because there cannot be a Strong/Weak version of your role.

In the second instance, you could easily have actually investigated twice and killed twice. Trying to make me look inconsistent with myself because there are two separate theories that support you being scum is not doing anything to make you look town.

[Patrick]

Votecount

Shanba (4) -- Jahudo, Albert B. Rampage, dybeck, curiouskarmadog
Espeonage (1) -- NickF227
NickF227 (1) -- Shanba
dybeck (2) -- boberz, Javert
Jahudo (1) -- farside22

Not voting: Espeonage
10 alive, 6 to lynch.

Deadline: June 20th, 10 pm GMT.

[dybeck]

Let me ask you this then, Javert.

You've visited this thread with just hours to go until deadline. You are still voting for me.

Is this because you think you can build a successful lynch wagon on me before deadline, or not?

If not, can I take it that you'd rather a no-lynch than a Shanba lynch?

[Javert]

Yes, I want you lynched.

I am not pleased with the make-up Shanba wagon in the slightest:

Shanba (4) -- Jahudo, Albert B. Rampage, dybeck, curiouskarmadog

There are three players I think are highly likely to be Town {farside22, Espeonage, boberz}, and not a single one of them is voting for Shanba.

When you take out the possibility of Shanba voting for himself, that leaves five players: {dybeck, curiouskarmadog, Albert B. Rampage, NickF227, Jahudo}, and I find it rather disturbing how all four players voting for Shanba come from that group of five players. The only thing that could make the wagon look worse would be if NickF227 slapped his vote on.

I think this is a mislynch, and not only that, it is a compromise lynch (i.e. "hey, this person has votes and a deadline is coming up, so I will vote for them, too!"). My usual policy is that I will vote somebody if it is

necessary

to avoid a No-Lynch, but it only takes four more votes to lynch you and I think I can get it done.

Now, is there a reason that not a single one of your posts actually responds to my posts? Instead you try to make little jabs to prolong the argument that started

when you first claimed your role

(read: well before the deadline), and now all of a sudden you are trying to use the deadline as a shield.

[dybeck]

I had also noticed that it is curious that the three confirmed town are not voting Shanba.

However, they don't have any information about who is scum and who is town. Such is the peril of being in the uninformed majority.

I am not using the deadline as a shield. As I've said, I just don't see the benefit of answering your questions. I'm sure that I can rustle something up overnight that will help to convince you (and, more importantly, Boberz) without feeding scum more information than is necessary.

So... if it were a direct choice, you'd prefer a no-lynch to a Shanba lynch?

Alternatively, should you and I attempt to build a Nick lynch between now and deadline, on the basis that it's something we're both content with?

[Javert]

As I said before, my policy is to vote to get a Lynch if it is necessary to avoid a No Lynch unless there is some strategic reason for No Lynching (which is not present here). If push comes to shove, I will vote for Shanba to avoid a No Lynch, but I will not be happy about it.

I had also noticed that it is curious that the three confirmed town are not voting Shanba.

However, they don't have any information about who is scum and who is town. Such is the peril of being in the uninformed majority.

The inverse, however, is that the group that I think contains the informed minority is voting for Shanba. This is the same feeling I had with the RichardGHP wagon on Day One -- sometimes the players on the wagon tell the tale plainly enough. This feels like a rotten wagon.

I don't particularly care to "work with you," but I admit I would vastly prefer a NickF227 lynch to a Shanba lynch.

[dybeck]

I don't particularly care to "work with you," but I admit I would vastly prefer a NickF227 lynch to a Shanba lynch.

Jolly good.

unvote, vote: NickF227

I'll be back before deadline to revote Shanba if this doesn't work.

[Javert]

Just to make sure about deadline: I think if I am doing the conversion correctly, it is 2 hours and 40 minutes away. If this is wrong, somebody please let me know. I will be checking the thread every half hour or so, in case I need to change my vote to avoid a No Lynch.

Unvote: dybeck, Vote: NickF227

.

[Javert]

Looks like I did do it wrong (I used Standard and not Daylight) -- deadline is about 3 hours and 35 minutes away.

[dybeck]

Mod:

can you confirm whether by 10pm

GMT

, you mean 10pm

UK time

? (ie 2.5 hours away?)

I will also periodically check the thread.

[Patrick]

Deadline is roughly 3.5 hours from now.

[curiouskarmadog]

lots of smoke from Dybeck and Javert, just to end in voting together?

[Javert]

Are you actually relaying an opinion in that post, curiouskarmadog? If you are, please be more clear.

[dybeck]

And, ckd, will you be back online before deadline to get a lynch today if necessary?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Nick is town, idiots.

Javert, dybek, Shanba, one of them has to get lynched today.

[curiouskarmadog]

Are you actually relaying an opinion in that post, curiouskarmadog? If you are, please be more clear.

hmmm, thought it was pretty obvious.

there was so much back and forth between you and dybeck....only to end up, you two voting for each other...making a mental note of it mostly....one could look at that post and see distancing scum only to come together closer to deadline...do i think you two are doing that?....dont know, really would only make since if you were trying to protect Shanba...but I dont the mafia have 3 members left....

or perhaps one of you isnt as suspicious of the other as you are trying to portray....both you voted together pretty fast when you thought the deadline was super close.

so just making a mental note.


and dybeck...I might be around...but I am good with my vote....

better question is why are you asking?

[dybeck]

Are you actually relaying an opinion in that post, curiouskarmadog? If you are, please be more clear.

hmmm, thought it was pretty obvious.

there was so much back and forth between you and dybeck....only to end up, you two voting for each other...making a mental note of it mostly....one could look at that post and see distancing scum only to come together closer to deadline...do i think you two are doing that?....dont know, really would only make since if you were trying to protect Shanba...but I dont the mafia have 3 members left....

or perhaps one of you isnt as suspicious of the other as you are trying to portray....both you voted together pretty fast when you thought the deadline was super close.

so just making a mental note.

The choice, realistically, is between Nick, Shanba and no-lynch. Javert may or may not be scum, but if we have a joint agenda to get Nick lynched, then I'll take the support from wherever it comes. Nick is a better lynch than Shanba, and Shanba a better lynch than nobody.

[Javert]

Unvote: NickF227, Vote: Shanba

.

[dybeck]

unvote, vote: Shanba

[Patrick]

Votecount

Shanba (4) -- Jahudo, Albert B. Rampage, curiouskarmadog, Javert
Espeonage (1) -- NickF227
NickF227 (2) -- Shanba, dybeck
dybeck (1) -- boberz
Jahudo (1) -- farside22

Not voting: Espeonage
10 alive, 6 to lynch.

Deadline: June 20th, 10 pm GMT.

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And with that, the team decided to end today's match without sending anyone off. You all go back to your respective homes, wondering what the morning might bring.

No lynch on day 5. The deadline for night 5 is the usual 72 hours.

[Patrick]

Scene editting later

farside22 - Villager - killed night 5

It is now day 6. With 9 players alive, you lynch at 5. The deadline hits on the 15th of July.

[boberz]

Sorry for being missing in action but I had problems when the site moved. I perhaps could of sorted them out but I was a tad busy and didnt. ANyway I am back now and determined to actually kill dybeck. GO! GO! GO!

[NickF227]

Vote: Shanba

[dybeck]

vote: Nick

Boberz, you need to take a breath and think. Scum will, of course, want me dead, but you're not scum and you have a responsibility to keep your head clear.

You'll find building a wagon on me incredibly easy, I'm sure. Will you at least be sure to stop and think about whether you're comfortable with those that join you on the wagon, before you get to a lynch?

[boberz]

Of course, hence why I am not voting for you.

I am not tunnelling I have just not actually had one of my suspects killed yet and it looks like we are losing.