New York 115: Wickedestjr's Large Mafia (Game Over)

[Super Smash Bros. Fan]

@BlazezBr: This is the perfect oppetunity to answer Battle Mage's question on what four people do you think is scummy and who are your two town reads.

[Karma]

SSBF, what do you think about me having a townread on Asaclardy?

[EGL]

1.BM is dead to me if Misty flips town, you understand that right.

You voted on this wagon twice.

1. Why would BM be dead to you if Misty flips town? Why push the blame off on someone else when you voted twice on that wagon?

2. Why did you unvote and revote Misty so quickly at the slightest hint of pressure from BM? Go down at a puff of wind like Cristiano Ronaldo?

I wish I was now that I think about it that way. I would rather lynch you. I never get scum roles, ever.

This and your comment about not being hear to teach meta lessons to VIs make it sound like you're not as newbish as you claim.

guy0 drops down my scumlist. Blaze, Asaclardy move up.

UNVOTE: guy0

[BlazezRb]

@BlazezBr: This is the perfect oppetunity to answer Battle Mage's question on what four people do you think is scummy and who are your two town reads.

Scum

Vezok: This is his scummy meta, and hes a noob.

Asa: He hasn't done nothing to benefit anyone so far, Play more.

Misty: Noobie card, has brought much attention then wagon was stopped by Vezok.

Possibly Means:

If Misty is scum, chances are that Vezok is scumbuddy

Danakillsu: Sorry buddy, but your sounding like your scummy meta, either that or an investigator.

Town

BM: Seems like a great scumhunter, knows what he is doing compared to others. (Possibly a vig)

SSBF: Seems pro-town.

Also:

Why would BM be dead to you if Misty flips town? Why push the blame off on someone else when you voted twice on that wagon?

1. He started this wagon.
2. He threatened us with a NK, claiming him as a lier, scum, or SK
3. Putting myself in his shoes, that sounds like he probably is a Vig or a scum lier.

[BlazezRb]

Why did you unvote and revote Misty so quickly at the slightest hint of pressure from BM? Go down at a puff of wind like Cristiano Ronaldo?

Truth be told, I made a mistake unvoting, so I was thinking of ways to get back on, I fell prey to the noob card, damnit.

[BlazezRb]

Also, I hate soccer.

[EGL]

So why didn't you say anything at the time about the threats with an NK? Why did you stay on the wagon and then unvote it and jump back on?

If you were a believer in the wagon then why blame the person who started it? I find it's scummier to

follow

bad ideas than to be the one to have them initially, especially if you know or believe that it's a bad idea. Don't you?

[EGL]

Also, I hate soccer.

I scored a goal tonight. And I don't see what your point is except to let me say I scored a goal, but HTF would you have known what I did IRL before I said it???

[EGL]

Why did you unvote and revote Misty so quickly at the slightest hint of pressure from BM? Go down at a puff of wind like Cristiano Ronaldo?

Truth be told, I made a mistake unvoting, so I was thinking of ways to get back on, I fell prey to the noob card, damnit.

So you supported the wagon but wanted to distance yourself off of it and push blame onto BM if Mitsy flipped town.

1. If you supported the wagon then why should you think Mitsy would flip town?

2. Why distance from a wagon you support?

[EGL]

The fact of the matter is that if you truly support a wagon then you shouldn't be trying to distance from it and push the blame onto someone else. You shouldn't be making comments to try to set up tomorrow's lynch today if you're on the lynching wagon. We all should be willing to bite the bullet for it if we're on the lynching wagon and it's a wagon we support. Anyone disagree?

[BlazezRb]

Why did you unvote and revote Misty so quickly at the slightest hint of pressure from BM? Go down at a puff of wind like Cristiano Ronaldo?

Truth be told, I made a mistake unvoting, so I was thinking of ways to get back on, I fell prey to the noob card, damnit.

So you supported the wagon but wanted to distance yourself off of it and push blame onto BM if Mitsy flipped town.

1. If you supported the wagon then why should you think Mitsy would flip town?

2. Why distance from a wagon you support?

Way I see it, person starting the fire is to blame.

For example, if player A says player C is scum, and posts alot of reasons why, then player C gets lynched as town, whos to blame for that loss, him, right?

[EGL]

Why did you unvote and revote Misty so quickly at the slightest hint of pressure from BM? Go down at a puff of wind like Cristiano Ronaldo?

Truth be told, I made a mistake unvoting, so I was thinking of ways to get back on, I fell prey to the noob card, damnit.

So you supported the wagon but wanted to distance yourself off of it and push blame onto BM if Mitsy flipped town.

1. If you supported the wagon then why should you think Mitsy would flip town?

2. Why distance from a wagon you support?

Way I see it, person starting the fire is to blame.

For example, if player A says player C is scum, and posts alot of reasons why, then player C gets lynched as town, whos to blame for that loss, him, right?

No, because it takes more than one person to lynch someone. Everyone else should have some reason to support it. You don't vote for someone just because someone lists a bunch of reasons. You read the case and the posts the person made and weigh it out. Maybe you see some different things not in the case and that's why you're voting. Maybe you don't agree with the case.

You have to make up your own mind on who you should vote for

so you can't push blame onto someone else.

Voting without a reason is scummy, innit? Isn't that why Cmiller is catching a little flack right now? Yeah?

I don't like that you flip-flop voted so quick off and back on the wagon and then tried to push the wagon off onto someone else. I don't care if it was BM or anyone. You act like you think Mitsu will flip town, try to shove off the blame for a mislynch onto someone else, and then claim to support the wagon. This makes no sense. Chewbacca is a wookie and he lives on the planet Endor with a bunch of little Ewoks. That makes more sense than what you are doing.

VOTE: Vote: Blaze

[EGL]

Also you shouldn't blacken out or hide any text. Read the rules.

[Chevre]

Oh no! I lost my post, so I'm just going to post my new scumlist and say why!

RichardGHP: You're at the top unless you can explain why "gaining steam" and "gaining attention and votes" are different.
CJMiller: Haven't your last two posts been jost unvoting and voting?
BlazeRb: Everyone on the lynchwagon is responsible for a mislynch, not just the maker of the case.
vezokpiraka: The points aforementioned, except for the experienced over noob part, which I now believe is just illogical thinking on your part.
MehPlusRawr: Avoiding prods and saying there is nothing to post about when there obviously is.
Toon Fighter: For your crazy contradictions and hypocrisy
Adrien C: You have seemed to disappeared since suspicion fell off you, which makes me only more suspicious.

[EGL]

I'd also like to hear from Richard on that remark about jumping on the wagon if it picks up steam.

Blaze is at the top of my scum list right now and I'm glad to see someone of the same opinion that everyone on the lynchwagon is responsible for a mislynch. Also I still want to know why he distanced from a wagon he supposedly believed in like he knew it would be a mislynch.

And yeah the MPR situation is why he's on my top scum list.

[Adrien C]

Adrien C: You have seemed to disappeared since suspicion fell off you, which makes me only more suspicious.

Did you not see where I posted V/LA?

I'm only on for a little bit, and I'm gonna be gone most of tomorrow. I'll be back fully by tomorrow night.

[silverbullet999]

@karma

Seriously, blaze is town.

you know this because...

[Sucrose]

Alright, just did a ton of catching up.

Page 10
guy0 is a deeply nervous player. Could be a nervous newbie, but I'm thinking nervousness of his type is more along the lines of scum. I get the feeling he reads and re-reads his posts, which obviously has some bad implications.

As I continue reading, he just gets scummier and scummier.
Blast from the past:

Vote: Guy0

. Every damn post this dude has made has been scummy.

I'm reading around page 10 or so, and yeah Mitsu is scummy as hell.
She acts defensive against a series bandwagon and makes nothing but a weak, weak attack on a player on hes wagon at Vez's prompting. (Page 12)

Unfortunately, now she's showing textbook newb town behavior. And considering how bad her play would be for scum earlier, I'm doubting she's faking it. Scum just doesn't switch up playstyles that fast.

Blaze is all over the place. The things he says are bold, which makes me lean newb town, but also has contradictions, OMGUS and other strange stuff. I'm gonna do an ISO sometime my eyes aren't so tired.

BM is either Obvtown, or masterful scum. I'm gonna go with Obvtown. And a multitude of players are buddying up with him because it's obvious to scum too.
I have no idea why he's drawing the nightkill. He's a pretty useful player, it's a waste.

Me getting NKed tonight would clear the game up alot.

Ah. I hope you know what you're doing

@BattleMage

Top 4 scum:
Guy
Blaze
Mitso
CJMiller

Top Town
BattleMage
Dana

[vezokpiraka]

@BlazezBr: This is the perfect oppetunity to answer Battle Mage's question on what four people do you think is scummy and who are your two town reads.

Scum

Vezok: This is his scummy meta, and hes a noob.

Asa: He hasn't done nothing to benefit anyone so far, Play more.

Misty: Noobie card, has brought much attention then wagon was stopped by Vezok.

Possibly Means:

If Misty is scum, chances are that Vezok is scumbuddy

Danakillsu: Sorry buddy, but your sounding like your scummy meta, either that or an investigator.

Town

BM: Seems like a great scumhunter, knows what he is doing compared to others. (Possibly a vig)

SSBF: Seems pro-town.

Also:

Why would BM be dead to you if Misty flips town? Why push the blame off on someone else when you voted twice on that wagon?

1. He started this wagon.
2. He threatened us with a NK, claiming him as a lier, scum, or SK
3. Putting myself in his shoes, that sounds like he probably is a Vig or a scum lier.

Blazez learned a new thing. Deflecting.
How could you possibly know my scum meta?
I was scum in only one game on another site. And it was my first game so my playstyle by then changed.

[Wickedestjr]

Votecount 17:

BlazezRb - (8) – Velocirraptor, Demonhybrid, Battle Mage, silverbullet999, Adrien C, RichardGHP, CJMiller, EGL
Mitsuru Kirijo - (3) - guy0, danakillsu, BlazezRb
Battle Mage - (2) - Mafuyu, cwf123
EGL - (2) - Sc00t, MehPlusRawr
guy0 - (2) - Toon Fighter, Sucrose
danakillsu - (1) - Mitsuru Kirijo
Asaclardy - (1) – Super Smash Bros. Fan
CJMiller - (1) - kunkstar7
Velocirraptor - (1) - Chevre
RichardGHP - (1) - q21
Toon Fighter - (1) - Karma
No-Lynch - (1) - Asaclardy
Not Voting - (0)

With 24 alive it takes 13 to lynch.

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

CJMiller, is that really all you have after lurking and having to be prodded? You've posted nothing of real use this whole game.

Blaze, yet again, I only played the newbie card because there is no other reason for my mistakes in this game. I don't enjoy using it any more than you enjoy reading it. Also, please explain how Vezo is scum if I end up scum.

[Battle Mage]

I want to hear from Mafuyu.

BM

[vezokpiraka]

Mod:

I am going to Germany for a week. I should have internet acces but I'm not sure how much time I wil have. From this saturday the next saturday. I will try to post at least once a day. So I think I will be LA.

[Mafuyu]

I want to hear from Mafuyu.

BM

Mafuyu just got off work and is on page 17. Another hour should work.

[Mafuyu]

Mafuyu has a couple of thoughts.

1. Mafuyu is leaning scum on Mitsu and Adrian.
2. Mafuyu is of the opinion that Blaze and Asaclardy are not scum, but third-party, particularly Asa. Asa's play doesn't seem helpful to neither scum nor town. Meanwhile, Blaze is probably Survivor or something similar, considering his very defensive posts and floundering attitude. Mafuyu would also lynch Blaze if he tries to make that claim.
3. Mafuyu would not trust BM for more than a few days. Mafuyu would find it admirable for him to keep up the level of analysis he started with, but it seems like BM is just trying to hoard good karma for another plan. If BM lives for more than a few days, Mafuyu would be very confused, especially if BM starts flipping scum members with his lynch wagons. So, Mafuyu would approach judging BM's alignment with caution, as BM is in a very precarious situation no matter what alignment he is. It kind of dampens some of his work in terms of whether or not they were town moves or elsewise.