Karma Mafia (Game Over!)

[Albert B. Rampage]

I believe Nick thinks that millers aren't told they are millers. That's my logical conclusion. Nick is still town and we need to lynch scum.

I'm down to lynch CKD, and Jahudo to a lesser extent. Shanba should live so he can boost someone, but I think he's scummy and wouldn't be too worried about him. I wonder where our cop if we have one is at. Sorry I had to claim villager but if you got some good results better not risk the NK and tell us if you have 2+ innocent results on the players alive.

[Javert]

Busier weekend than I anticipated -- still have not gotten to looking over the wagons.

1.)

dybeck's logic is not making sense here. If NickF227 "blocked" dybeck, then NickF227 would not insinuate (or "feign ignorance") that he might be a Miller role because he would

know

there is not a real result on him.

2.)

dybeck, arguing that your vote four minutes after the deadline "did not make a difference" does not change the fact that you could not have known that your vote did not make a difference. I assume that even if you were watching Desperate Housewives, the show has commercial breaks.

Mafia is not a game of "no harm, no foul." The fact that your lateness did not turn out to be necessary for a No-Lynch does not change whether you had the intent, which is the proper question.

3.)

Now you claim that scum must be real nervous because your role exists, and boy would scum

love

to know how your role works. But then a few breaths later you claim that you were role-blocked last night. It sounds to me that if you are telling the truth, scum don't care how your role works, because they are apparently just going to role-block you. So I am

really

not seeing why are still being persistent in not explaining your role.

[boberz]

Oh no sorry people did react to the ifrst claim I dont know how I got the othe impression.

[Patrick]

Votecount

NickF227 (1) -- dybeck
dybeck (2) -- Javert, NickF227
Jahudo (1) -- Shanba
curiouskarmadog (1) -- Albert B. Rampage

Not voting: boberz, Espeonage, curiouskarmadog, Jahudo
9 alive, lynch at 5.

Deadline: 15th of July.

[curiouskarmadog]

ABR, your thoughts on dybeck?

Bob, where was Nick's first post with a claim?

[boberz]

But I'll post it again...

Vote: Dybeck

Maybe you didn't get that because I'm whatever that role is, you know, the outsider one, as a hidden role? I remember reading about it but I forget the name for it. Miller? I dunno, but my PM says I'm town-aligned.

Here but as I say people reacted. I dont relly know what I was saying when I moaned at people for not noticing. Perhaps the tone of expecting a previous claim in the post confused me, I dont know.

[Albert B. Rampage]

ABR, your thoughts on dybeck?

Bob, where was Nick's first post with a claim?

The only reason I'm not voting him is because he's the only person who's claimed investigative powers.

[Espeonage]

ABR, your thoughts on dybeck?

Bob, where was Nick's first post with a claim?

The only reason I'm not voting him is because he's the only person who's claimed investigative powers.

Why is that a bad point. Not trying to second guess the mod here but most games have some sort of investigative role.

[NickF227]

All my PM says is that I'm an ordinary villager. God.

[dybeck]

We seem to have a heck of a lot of ordinary villagers left, considering how many have died.

[Shanba]

They do tend to be, you know, the most common role in the game.

ABR: You suspect dybeck, jahudo, ckd and me? Basically, all of the unconfirmed except nick and javert?

Dybeck: We're probably approaching lylo fairly fast at this point. It's a bad idea for you to be witholding information until lylo. The correct day to claim is ususally the day before lylo. Assuming you don't know what that day is, why are you being so obstinate about witholding information?

[boberz]

At last somebody has got the wording right. We are

ordinary

villagers, not any of the other roles being banded about. Not that it matters any more.

Dybeck should claim.

ABR has been more helpful recently.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Dybek full claim now

[curiouskarmadog]

Dybek full claim now

QFT

[curiouskarmadog]

I also agree that if anyone can confirm anything Shanba has claimed, they do so TODAY.

[Javert]

Note

: I am sending the mod a PM to notify him that I may have to be replaced. I simply have not been able to put the time I would like into this game lately, and I will also be unable to post from July 8 - 12. I apologize in advance if I require replacement.

[dybeck]

Jeez. I investigate at night like a regular rolecop, but I only get to find out whether someone is "vanilla" or "not-vanilla". (OMG DYBECK SAID VANILLA AGAIN KILLZ HIM IMMEDIATELY ETC)

Yes, this sounds like a noob-scum claim, which is why I thought I'd breadcrumb it in the first four words of each sentence in this slightly oddly-worded post from Day 1:

I find vanilla townies

tend to get lynched in any event once they're forced to a claim.

I completely understand that

this is the usual way of things and I expect bv310 to bite the dust for this reason.

It's hard to believe

that boberz is exhibiting some superior skill by unvoting - seems more like a preemptive positioning.

But I hope you

will take a closer look at boberz overnight.

Believe me, later on,

we're going to need to lynch him.

Now that you've effectively rendered my strong mode useless, shall we go and lynch some scum?

[dybeck]

PS. My other investigation results were on Pomegranate and Shanba - both "non-vanilla", for those who wondered what I was doing the other nights.

[NickF227]

Does that mean you only find if someone has a power or not, not their alignment?

[boberz]

Jeez. I investigate at night like a regular rolecop, but I only get to find out whether someone is "vanilla" or "not-vanilla". (OMG DYBECK SAID VANILLA AGAIN KILLZ HIM IMMEDIATELY ETC)

Yes, this sounds like a noob-scum claim, which is why I thought I'd breadcrumb it in the first four words of each sentence in this slightly oddly-worded post from Day 1:

I find vanilla townies

tend to get lynched in any event once they're forced to a claim.

I completely understand that

this is the usual way of things and I expect bv310 to bite the dust for this reason.

It's hard to believe

that boberz is exhibiting some superior skill by unvoting - seems more like a preemptive positioning.

But I hope you

will take a closer look at boberz overnight.

Believe me, later on,

we're going to need to lynch him.

Now that you've effectively rendered my strong mode useless, shall we go and lynch some scum?

Actually if you had explained this before then I would not have suspected you for saying vanilla. Also, if you had explained what your role did, if not your targets people may have been more happy to believe you.

A few questions...

Do you get any info on allignment?
Why did you choose the targets you chose?
Did you breadcrumb your specific targets anywhere?
Explain the exact difference between your weak and strong modes please, and which you used on whom?

[curiouskarmadog]

I would like the run down again of who you have targeted.

[curiouskarmadog]

and what nights (with any breadcrumbs of who you might have targetted)

[dybeck]

No I don't get any information on alignment - which is why I'm not campaigning wholeheartedly for a Shanba lynch. All I know is that Shanba is not vanilla - would have been great if he'd claimed it, but it was not to be.

Don't think I will have left breadcrumbs because I don't think I've made any of the decisions before lynch so far - although my reasoning with Boberz was pretty clear. I'm not entirely sure my logic has been infallible - I'm very conscious that I can't wholly convict scum, but that I can clear townies - although this hasn't always been my reasoning.

Targeted Nick because he'd claimed vanilla, so if his investigation said otherwise, we'd have an obvscum.
Targeted Esp and Pom because they looked likely lynch targets, and I expected/hoped to be able to clear them to avoid a mislynch.
Targeted Boberz and Shanba/Faraday because I was so sure they were scum and thought that maybe I could catch them in a fake claim the next day (sorry Boberz)

CKD, ABR, (and is there one other?) you've claimed vanilla - if I investigate you and find you're something else, it's gonna look pretty suspicious. If you're lying and town, you might want to consider how this is going to look. Not really sure what advice I have for you in this instance, though. You may still have good reasons - particularly those of you with a track record of fake claims.

Shall we lynch some scum now?

[dybeck]

Also, in other news, it's possible that I was not roleblocked last night. I got 'no result'. I suppose it's possible that my role was 'malfunctioned' like Shanba's claimed that roles can.

Shanba: target me tonight... in any event, I want to see what your role does and if it dishes out info.

[dybeck]

Actually, post script @Shanba: what the hell is the difference between your strong and weak modes, btw?