Supernatural mafia - Mafia team wins!!!!!

[Midnight's Sorrow]

^@MS: Hunt?

fuck... .-.

Unhunt
Hunt: Snow_Bunny

[Robocopter87]

You come back and thats all you have to say? Really? pfft.

[Robocopter87]

^^^To chrono sorry

[Midnight's Sorrow]

@robo:
You talkin to me?
ninjaed -.-

[Robocopter87]

Thats right, I too ninja for my shirt.

[Benmage]

Safeclaims are sometimes given to scum so that if they need to claim they have one. It balances out massclaims and stuff sometimes.

This, it avoids trying to break a game.

An example of safeclaims I've seen can be characters that would exists in flavor or whatever world the game might be played in that the scum can use knowing noone has that name.

[Robocopter87]

When I replaced into DCI mafia I was scum and we won because the Godfather had used his safeclaim. They usually appear in Theme games because what is the player going to claim if they don't know the theme that well? VT? Boom. Lynch. Dead.

[Benmage]

Am I wiggin out or does Snow-Bunny not have a single post?

[Midnight's Sorrow]

Am I wiggin out or does Snow-Bunny not have a single post?

If it matters I voted the slot because earlier I saw the name for the third time in the 'Users browsing' thing, and still no post.

-shrugs-

[Benmage]

I think we can start prods noon(ish) tomorrow...tho pretty weaksauce to not post once in the opening days of a new game.

[ReaperCharlie]

Obstinant players are anti-town and more often than not, scum.

IMO this part of your post is WIFOM. I've seen many players (namely, Jack) play suuuuper-obstinate before, while simultaneously being the towniest townie that ever towned.

Also, Starbuck is particularly obstinate, like she was in Left 4 Dead Mafia, and she ended up being quite, quite town in that game as well. As did the person she was arguing with, DizzyIzzy13.

Not to mention, if I were in a hydra (which I have been), I would be doing it for anonymity reasons, and I wouldn't want to reveal who I was (which I didn't), even if asked. I find nothing strange or suspicious in that.

I also find nothing strange or suspicious in Benmage and Starbuck wanting to know who the hydra's are. It's part of situational awareness. Not knowing who someone is and having exactly no meta on them is a complete wildcard, and there's no way you can prepare for how experienced or skilled they are or aren't.

Personally, I'd like to know who all players are, but also personally, if I was half of a hydra, I would want to remain anonymous too. I have no opinion on the matter other than that. Drop it.

Wow, my shotgun and trying to understand this conversation is giving me a headache.

Is hydrak and Genarichhydra both hydras?

Looks like we have a VI here. Which is one of the reasons I wanted a policy lynch. Omfg, if you saw how BlazezRb played in [ongoing game reference redacted], you'd totally know what I was talking about. Seriously. Go look at BlazezRb's past games. W. T. F.

If your talking about Obvscurm. obviously I acted that way so I could get votes so I could use my ability ....

You acted like that long after you were dead too

HAHAHAHA I was about ready to pile-drive you. Bust a Zangief and sh*t. OMFG that was annoying.

This is actually a really great point. This information could be useful to the town, so they should provide it.

You say "the town" like you aren't part of us.

igmeoy

That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

hmmmm... i must have forgotten to use [sarcasm] tags...

i guess they didn't make the port over from phpbb2, sry

Oh, well, you know sarcasam and the interwebz... they are mortal enemies.

Ok, so you are ready to drop it then, but when Starbuck comes up and says:

This is actually a really great point. This information could be useful to the town, so they should provide it.

You say "the town" like you aren't part of us.

I didn't get that feeling. This feels to be like you are trying to put suspicion where there really is none.

Then all of a sudden you think its oooOOOoooo! suspicious! once again.

Seems like you just made a halfway joking case about a joking comment I made, knowing it'd fall through, but then when someone else picked up the scent, you pretended you were serious the first time. Hmmmmm....

Hunt: ReaperCharlie

for having the best avatar in the thread... and for knowing the counterspell for Lumos. Burn the witch!

Hunt: KageLord

There's insufficient evidence to burn him. Does he weigh the same as a duck?

LOL!

[ReaperCharlie]

- Significantly more often than not, I'm town (like 85:15)
- I'm usually vanilla
- I have a clear history of being mislynch bait.

NONE of which affect your randomly assigned role choice in this game. That's saying "don't lynch me because there's more town than there are scum so you're probably going to hit town".

That said, I'm generally against policy lynches - could someone please explain why a policy lynch on Chronopie would happen?

Because generally even as town he ends up being more of a hindrance to the town than a help, either for some bad reasoning on his part, or by picking the wrong (subjective) person to perform night actions on, and then coming to the wrong (objective) conclusions about what results his night actions yielded, etc. For a shining example, check out Mini 979: Square Enix II: Siege of Obscurum. He came to a terrible conclusion that cleared the godfather for the entire remainder of the game, and the scum coasted on to a perfect victory, riding mostly on Chronopie's mistake in a crucial circumstance.

Ironically, I (one of the scum) was playing the (fake) devil's advocate, and kept shouting at the town "NO! CHRONO AND HIS TARGET ARE

NOT

CONFIRMED TOWN! IT'S ENTIRELY POSSIBLE THAT ONE OR BOTH ARE SCUM!" ... but everyone, thinking Chrono knew what he was talking about (because after all, it was HIS ability that the decision was being made off of, not mine), and they followed him off the cliff like a bunch of good little sheep. It was f*cking awesome, yes, I admit. But as

town

, I hate playing beside Chronopie because I know he's probably gonna f*ck something else up too. More examples can be found in ongoing games if that's not enough for you to believe me.

And then again, if by chance he does end up flipping scum then.. whoopee we've just hit scum Day 1.

I've never been a part of a policy lynch (or even seen one happen in a game I'm in, actually), but it seems like a good idea for some reason. I get the willies about Chronopie. Maybe it's his Appeal to Probability here... actually, I think I'm certain that's why. Quoted again for reference:

I don't understand why I'd make a good policy lynch.

- Significantly more often than not, I'm town (like 85:15)
- I'm usually vanilla

- I have a clear history of being mislynch bait.

So yeah... two reasons why he's an awesome lynch.

[BlazezRb]

[

Wow, my shotgun and trying to understand this conversation is giving me a headache.

Is hydrak and Genarichhydra both hydras?

Looks like we have a VI here. Which is one of the reasons I wanted a policy lynch. Omfg, if you saw how BlazezRb played in [ongoing game reference redacted], you'd totally know what I was talking about. Seriously. Go look at BlazezRb's past games. W. T. F.

Is there a problem with that post, my god, if you have better reasons to complain in THIS GAME, then give the town proof that has no other game referance.

[GenericHydra]

WIFOM detection:

Well, first of all, if I was scum I would be unlikely to risk detection by saying something like that. It's only because I'm town that I thought it would be safe to make a little joke comment (apparently I was wrong). I don't know any scum that would be so bold as to say something like that (granted, I have only played in 3 games).

Your Appeal to Emotion does not scare me:

Whatever, I suppose I've already messed this game up enough. It looks like the first day might be wasted with my mislynch anyway.

The argument about our identities is ridiculous/a total waste of time. The Day only lasts 2 weeks (I'm accustomed to 3 week deadlines). I'm slightly dissapointed at Benmage for continuing to pursue the matter; I'd thought that it would end with jmj3000's #144. If you

really

have issues with an anonymous hydra, send a PM to the mod.

[ReaperCharlie]

Hunt:KageLord

This is the second time you've voted him, and in another post you specifically call him scum. He only has two posts. Are you still in RVS? If not, what exactly do you find scummy?

This never got answered... Midnight's Sorrow just went and voted for someone else instead of answering the question.

I personally don't really care if GH says who he/she/they is/are. I'm more interested in how much Benmage is pushing it. He does have a point about obstinate players, but I'm not sure there is enough evidence to say that GH is that much of a problem yet. If they are really set on not revealing that information, they must have some reason for it. I'm not sure if there would be more of a scum motive behind it than a town motive. This just seems like useless arguing to me.

Yeah, it does seem like a useless argument, but you do bring up a good point. The amount Benmage pushed it began to catch my attention more and more as I read on.

Wow... I thought people had more common sense than this. By "I'm more interested", I meant that I am more interested in that than in finding out who GH is. Thanks for the misrep though.

That's exactly my point, it isn't a misrep at all. Which accounts make up the two heads of the hydra is more important to the game than which characters got which powers. Dismissing that the identities of the two heads could be useful information while saying you are more interested in the fluff seems scummy to me.

I disagree. Entirely.

And I don't even know anything about the show, and therefore have no interest or presuppositions in the possible assignments of roles and abilities. Setup speculation is a great tool, if you ask me. I use it freely and openly, all the time. So many people think it's scummy, and I don't know why. It helps get the job done, and helps us to WIN; therefore, it is pro-town. And either way, it's a heck of a lot more useful than hounding two unwilling players playing under the same name for information that they've already stated that they're not going to provide. That is what is called a "fruitless endeavour", which may also be classified as anti-town, if we're counting.

It is often the case that scum are given safeclaims. And farside is an experienced girl. Name claiming is a bad idea.

Agreed.

Wow, I like post 140 for the most part. I'm actually impressed by the amount of effort jmj put into it, given his severe lack of effort in a similar situation in an ongoing game. I might have to use ongoing-game-meta here... quick, somebody crucify me for being scummy enough to suggest ongoing-game-meta!!!

Ok, so my thoughts so far: most of this game has been focused on finding out who the two heads of GH are. Treat the account as what it is named after: a creature with two heads that have separate minds sharing one body. All finding out the heads of the hydra are will accomplish is helping establish two metas that are more than likely being played against. They aren't going to reveal themselves, they have stated their reasons why, let it go. For continuing to ask for their identities, both Benmage and Starbuck have earned my wary eyes on them and their posts.

Yes. I agree.

Now, about what KageLord said: why be so interested in the characters put into the game? I can think of at least 10 different characters off the top of my head, but due to events in the show, not a single one of them can be confirmed town or scum just by us knowing their name. Let us find out what characters were included through lynches and deaths, not speculation.

I wouldn't know, but you sound like you know what you're talking about. I'd sheep ya.

After looking at you in ISO, I see at least 2 things I really don't like about your posts: 1) the amount of WIFOM in your posts (noticeably the whole first paragraph of post 138) and 2) you saying we should hold off on the policy lynching until later.

I don't quite agree with you here. Both are indicative of newbie play as well as scum play, and looking at his join date, I don't get the vibe that he's a grizzled veteran of forum mafia. But... indirect semi-defense of KageLord's newbiness aside, yes, these are valid scumtells when applied to more seasoned players. I just think he's too new to understand what he did wrong in suggesting holding off policy lynching. It doesn't exactly say much on the wiki page and there's not really any other way he could have learned about that in the 3 games he said he's played. Like I said earlier, I've still never seen a PL that's gone through.

You sound like someone who got affronted when they didn't acquiesce to your request, so rather then try to persuade them, you attack them and try to build a case off of a simple no.

There's a lot of long words in that sentence, I'm naught but a humble pirate!

I'd be inclined to guess that Farside would've either a) provided safe/fakeclaims and/or b) switched around roles (HP mafia anyone?) and/or c) inserted unusual roles to throw us off.

For those who are wondering what he means by this, there was a 2004 Harry Potter game where Harry, Ron, and Hermione were the Mafia. It was pretty epic, I assume. Way before I got here, but I went back and read it because it's a popular example of people doing just that: switching around roles to confuse the f*ck out of people.

The argument about our identities is ridiculous/a total waste of time. The Day only lasts 2 weeks (I'm accustomed to 3 week deadlines). I'm slightly dissapointed at Benmage for continuing to pursue the matter; I'd thought that it would end with jmj3000's #144. If you

really

have issues with an anonymous hydra, send a PM to the mod.

Yeap. This about sums it up. If anyone has anything further to say about this, speak now or forever hold your peace.

[Benmage]

[

Wow, my shotgun and trying to understand this conversation is giving me a headache.

Is hydrak and Genarichhydra both hydras?

Looks like we have a VI here. Which is one of the reasons I wanted a policy lynch. Omfg, if you saw how BlazezRb played in [ongoing game reference redacted], you'd totally know what I was talking about. Seriously. Go look at BlazezRb's past games. W. T. F.

Is there a problem with that post, my god, if you have better reasons to complain in THIS GAME, then give the town proof that has no other game referance.

Why don't you ignore him, and bring something to the table, proving him wrong.

[BlazezRb]

[

Wow, my shotgun and trying to understand this conversation is giving me a headache.

Is hydrak and Genarichhydra both hydras?

Looks like we have a VI here. Which is one of the reasons I wanted a policy lynch. Omfg, if you saw how BlazezRb played in [ongoing game reference redacted], you'd totally know what I was talking about. Seriously. Go look at BlazezRb's past games. W. T. F.

Is there a problem with that post, my god, if you have better reasons to complain in THIS GAME, then give the town proof that has no other game referance.

Why don't you ignore him, and bring something to the table, proving him wrong.

1. That post had no referance to

THIS GAME

.
2. This is based on meta, which is

NULL

.

Unvote: Hydrak

I'm guessing we are out of RVS

[Benmage]

Like I said earlier, I've still never seen a PL that's gone through.

We policy'd in mafia 98.

And on the fake/safeclaim thing, to beat the dead horse which seems to be a theme in this game, scummers mafia which just recently ended, the scum (me) had fakeclaims to work with.

[ReaperCharlie]

2. This is based on meta, which is

NULL

.

Rule #6 of 'Applying Meta for Geeks': When applied to VIs, metagaming is never null, and should not be considered as such.

I'm guessing we are out of RVS

Guess all you want, but someone will always prove you wrong. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

[BlazezRb]

2. This is based on meta, which is

NULL

.

Rule #6 of 'Applying Meta for Geeks': When applied to VIs, metagaming is never null, and should not be considered as such.

I'm guessing we are out of RVS

Guess all you want, but someone will always prove you wrong. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

1. May I ask you about what you think of Mistu's gameplay then?

2. W.T.F was this for?

[ReaperCharlie]

1. Who the heck is Mistu?
2. W.T.F. was

what

for?

[Midnight's Sorrow]

Children .-. settle down you hear?

Also:

Hunt:KageLord

This is the second time you've voted him, and in another post you specifically call him scum. He only has two posts. Are you still in RVS? If not, what exactly do you find scummy?

This never got answered... Midnight's Sorrow just went and voted for someone else instead of answering the question.

Yes it did. Kage answered for me

[ReaperCharlie]

I must have missed it in my readthrough. Care to link to where he answers it? Thx

[Midnight's Sorrow]

I have no idea how to link certain posts...

But it was the one after my last vote on him .-. It reeked of scummy vibes as did his two posts before hand.

My vote is on Snow_Bunny now for being lurking scum. -shrugs-

[KageLord]

I personally don't really care if GH says who he/she/they is/are. I'm more interested in how much Benmage is pushing it. He does have a point about obstinate players, but I'm not sure there is enough evidence to say that GH is that much of a problem yet. If they are really set on not revealing that information, they must have some reason for it. I'm not sure if there would be more of a scum motive behind it than a town motive. This just seems like useless arguing to me.

You know, I'm more interested to find out which characters are here and what their role powers are. The quotes from the show so far have piqued my interest.

I think this is how "I answered" it for MS. Not sure how that answers though since this "scumminess" happened after his vote. It can't really explain why he voted for me before this post. >>