Karma Mafia (Game Over!)

[Jahudo]

What setup information are you referring to? A role cop is often a scum role, so how does his claim make perfect sense as only a townie?

I'd like to know how he could have used strong mode so many times. There's still alot of questions about the karma mechanic but it seems extraordinary that he could have done that without some kind of consequence.

I have no intention of voting him now. I also think he should vote someone, anyone, else. Nick is not today's lynch.

[Espeonage]

I made a post a few pages as to why it makes sense for town to have a role similar to that. I can accept that it would also make sense as a scum role though.

[NickF227]

It personally doesn't make sense to me because....

1. Saying whether someone does or does not have a power, just that, seems more weak mode than strong to me, and strong would be alignment, just in my opinion.
2. Why does he refuse to give up his weak mode, and what would make it useless? I do not get that at ALL.
3. Also, yeah, what Jahudo said, Pom said earlier that using strong too much had a consequence, right? Like something bad would happen? He couldn't have used it so many nights in a row...

[boberz]

All the other roles the weak mode has been very guessable from the strong mode, I cannot think of an obvious weak mode from this and coincidentally dybeck doesnt have one.

It doesnt fit with flavour, calling them vanillas. This I understand if mafia goons are also vanillas, but apparently they definately arent. He shut off his one way out of that hole imo.

Why wasnt ABR checked?

[curiouskarmadog]

going to be gone this weekend, will return here on Monday/Tuesday

[Jahudo]

@dybeck: have you asked the mod if mafia goons are vanillas?

I thought this was already answered, or at least assumed since dybeck said he was confirming the vanillas results as town.

@dybeck: if your weak mode is worth keeping secret, why haven't you used it one of these nights yet?

[boberz]

You just read Jahudo!!! He has already confirmed he definately asked this, it was the only thing he was clear on.

Very clearly answered. Just plain didnt make sense.

[boberz]

You realise dybeck is VLA?

[Jahudo]

Ok nevermind then.

So you think dybeck just forgot about the flavor aspect of the game? I'd think it would be something scum would make sure they got right, since we've seen plenty of dead villager flips. It seems more likely that he has this role and the mod uses vanilla to equal villager.

The following is a copy of the vanilla PM in this game, named villager for flavour.

He even says its the same thing. So I think dybeck is a role cop.

[boberz]

I believe he is a rolecop, there was no point in scum making up a rolecop and claiming a result in case they got it wrong. But the fact dybeck was reacting so inadequately and anti town in response was very strange. But after discussion I have no doubt he is a role cop, but show me how he can be on our side.

[Jahudo]

Well for that I'd rather look at scum connections. This was a really interesting quote from day 1.

Dybecks claim that the BV case is wishy-washy etc is classic attempt at derailing. No reasoning is provided, it's all generalisations and no content, and all seemingly aimed at simply throwing a spanner in the wagon. Followed by the wishy-washy responses to questioning and the desperate leap onto the Esp wagon. I'm not sure how Dybeck got away without that being raised really...

BV and Richard were tied at this point and Sando was not on either wagon. It looks like he's bussing BV and trying to connect him to Dybeck.

Except in day 2 and 3 he didn't make a case for dybeck, which doesn't make sense if he was really trying to pair a townie with his scumbuddy. So maybe dybeck is mafia. Unless something else can explain Sando's thought process. I know Sando isn't a newb, and his talk about the Richard wagon and BV wagon being derailed looks like he had a plan.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Just wait til dybek gets back

[boberz]

Do you recomend we just sit here for a few days then ABR?

[NickF227]

Pretty sure that's exactly what he's saying. =/

Anyone got a fun way to kill time? This week has sucked for me so far.

[boberz]

vc

I cannot actually believe we are having this discussion. We are not going to find scum like this. We have all been shocking the whole way through the game, and I feel in the alst few pages I have had to physically prop up discussion.

Nick who should we kill off after dybeck if that happens?
ABR any words of wisdom?
Jahudo what do you think of ABR?
CKD how do you think the pace/lack of ambition from town has been impacting the game? What do you intend to do about it?
Esp, what do you make of dybeck asking you to proxy his vote?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm working 12 hour shifts every day. Life so hard bawww hahaha

[Jahudo]

ABR fake-counter claimed Sando. I don't think he's mafia because of that and some other instances of not trying to keep a low profile. Maybe he's third party, like the potential 2nd killer, but that might end up being whoever's left by process of elimination with dybeck vouching for some people and mafia to find.

[Espeonage]

i think that was because i was lookinh like the one least likely to jump on his wagon. idk.

[boberz]

So you believe dybeck Jahudo?

[curiouskarmadog]

CKD how do you think the pace/lack of ambition from town has been impacting the game? What do you intend to do about it?

this is an interesting question and I can only assume it was designed to strike up a conversation. I think that the pace is what one should expect in a summer game...lots of vla and what nots. Also, it appears we have a ton of people whose MO (you know who you are) is to play this way. What I really find interesting, is that the question almost has the feel of putting you outside of the town. You want us to believe you are town, so are you lumped into that question as "town"? Do you personally feel that you have a lack of ambition. Pretty sure being the most constant poster in the game right now, you dont feel like you have a lack of anything. So I assume you mean the "town" on average to include scum? Question just struck me strange. That being said, I am pretty sure you are town, trying to get any type of revealing conversation started and I appauled you.

now for the second part..what I am going to do about it. Well, other than asking each player I feel are not participating a random-ish question(ie what you are doing), i dont think there is anything that can be done. My vote is where I think it should be and I dont have any pending questions to ask. this might change as others post, but for the time being, I am fine and feel like I have a good handle on the game in regards to who I feel is scum, town, and useless.

so...are my assumptions about your question correct? dead wrong? Am I just asking the question for the sake of asking a question?

[curiouskarmadog]

Esp, what do you make of dybeck asking you to proxy his vote?

I missed the post where he did this. Well, to me, it looks like someone who wants to have the facade of not worry where is vote went. thoughts?

[boberz]

CKD, it had the intent of trying to spark conversation of any sort. I lump myself in as town but I feel I have upped my work rate and improved in this game day and I am trying to encourage all to push the game forward.

I think my random question stuff is working better than just sitting waiting for dybeck to return so he can refuse to answer questions for a while longer and we nearly miss the deadline again.

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Dybeck asked for a proxy vote twice. First time I replied pretty speedily telling him in no uncertain terms that I would strongly object to that. Patrick quickly confirmed this would not be allowed.

Dybeck a bit later stated that he hoped patrick would change his mind so he could give it to Esp.

What I found interesting is that it was as if his second request was just trying to bait me (as I have obviously been getting a tad frustrated at dybeck) and trying to move attention away from what we were talking about. Which was his genaerally crap play. This made me suspect that he was perhaps an embarrassed townie rather than scum. I am edging away from dybeck again, but I ahve no idea where else to put my suspicions. Nick I suppose.

[Patrick]

Votecount

NickF227 (1) -- dybeck
dybeck (4) -- Javert, NickF227, Shanba, curiouskarmadog
Shanba (2) -- Albert B. Rampage, Jahudo
Albert B. Rampage (1) -- boberz
Jahudo (1) -- Espeonage

Not voting: Nobody
9 alive, lynch at 5.

Deadline: 15th of July.

[boberz]

@mod

, I think Shanba is voting twice.

Ok if it is not dybeck I reckon ABR must be mafia. Because I dont think there is likely to be two scum on the dybeck wagon and ABR is the scummiest person not on it. If dybeck is scum then both Nick and Shanba are in prime bussing territory there.

[Espeonage]

UNVOTE: Jahudo
VOTE: ABR