New York 115: Wickedestjr's Large Mafia (Game Over)

[RichardGHP]

Votecount 41:

DemonHybrid – (6) – guy0, danakillsu, BlazezRb, RichardGHP, DavidParker, Battle Mage BlazezRb - (5) - Mitsuru Kirijo, DemonHybrid, Asaclardy, Vezokpiraka, kunkstar7
Mitsuru Kirijo - (3) - CJMiller, silverbullet999, q21
Toon Fighter - (1) – Chevre
kunkstar7 – (1) – Karma
CJMiller – (1) – Adrien C
Asaclardy – (1) - Sucrose
Vezokpiraka - (1) - Toon Fighter
Not Voting – (2) – Mafuyu, foilist13

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to lynch!

TYVM Demon.

[q21]

Mitsuru has had large wagons collapse three times so far in this game... really don't see that happening to a townie

why?

I've never seen three large bandwagons on anyone rise and fall so quickly without that person getting lynched. If she were town then one of those bandwagons should have gone down like an ordinary VT lynch. None of them has, and the best reason I can think of is that she's not the townie she claimed to be. As scum there is a select group of individuals for whom it is greatly in their advantage that she not be lynched, these individuals can potentially stall her lynch by: starting competing wagons, jumping off her wagon at opportune times, etc...

If it weren't for half the thread playing sheep to your shepherd I'd be 100% sure she wasn't a townie.

[q21]

The whole DH lynch started on a bandwagon. Seeing as a huge amount of are sure Blaze is scum, why don't we lynch him and analyze people on the bandwagon if he flips doctor? Which I don't see happening. Not only that, but he'll make a great information lynch too. We have scum right in front of our eyes. Leaving him be isn't an option to me. My vote stays.

If he's a Doctor he's almost certainly dead tonight and then we can analyse the people on his wagon today anyway. Why specifically would he make a great information lynch?



Also, Richard, what does TYVM stand for?

[RichardGHP]

Thank You Very Much.

[q21]

... right, I probably should have been able to work that out.

[DavidParker]

The whole DH lynch started on a bandwagon. Seeing as a huge amount of are sure Blaze is scum, why don't we lynch him and analyze people on the bandwagon if he flips doctor? Which I don't see happening. Not only that, but he'll make a great information lynch too. We have scum right in front of our eyes. Leaving him be isn't an option to me. My vote stays.

If he's a Doctor he's almost certainly dead tonight and then we can analyse the people on his wagon today anyway. Why specifically would he make a great information lynch?



Also, Richard, what does TYVM stand for?

Regardless, of his role or alignment, I don't see blaze dying tonight... Why would scum kill him? He is in the top 3 scummiest players, leaving him alive benefits scum even if he is a doctor. We shouldn't use his claim as a reason not to lynch him today. Although BM seems to have some sort of a plan that (as said) he isn't fully telling us all about, although I have a guess, which I'm not going to make public for the reason he didn't.

I think a blaze lynch would make a very good information lynch as stated.

[Adrien C]

I feel uneasy about how in control BM is, honestly.

[Mitsuru Kirijo]

For exactly the reasons you stated, q21. We would see the people who advocate his lynch, pick them out and eliminate the scummy if he flips doctor. If he does, I'll take full responsibility for his lynch. But can't you see the reason I'm still alive is to have someone to take the heat off scum? If scummy town is still alive, with the majority of the town focused on me, scum get a near free pass.

[q21]

For exactly the reasons you stated, q21. We would see the people who advocate his lynch, pick them out and eliminate the scummy if he flips doctor.

If he does, I'll take full responsibility for his lynch.

But can't you see the reason I'm still alive is to have someone to take the heat off scum?

If scummy town is still alive, with the majority of the town focused on me, scum get a near free pass.

The bolded reason holds true for anyone else who ever gets lynched. What reason would make blaze specifically a good information lynch?

The underlined would be plausible if the pattern was: Bandwagon on someone else followed by sudden deterioration and bandwagon on you. It doesn't work when its the other way around: Bandwagon on you which deteriorates due a bandwagon on someone else.

[danakillsu]

No matter how scummy Blaze seems, we have to lynch DH first. As far as I know, DH doesn't always look scummy, Blaze does. If we lynch DH and he's not scum, it mostly clears Blaze. So my vote stays where it is, and I hope that you mindless bandwagoners out there will get back on the DH wagon, because as has already been said, Blaze is not the lynch for today.

This was a blast of logical fallacy to the face.

Why would you want me lynched if I'm not always scummy? Why would a town flip from me clear Blaze? Why is the Blaze wagon mindless, but mine isn't?

I'm legitimately curious and rather stunned.

I'm talking about other games. Blaze looks scummy even as town. I don't know that this is true about you. Therefore we should lynch you, the scummy player who's not always scummy as far as I know. If you're scum, we lynch Blaze. If you're not, we think about it a lot more. I didn't say Blaze's wagon was mindless and yours wasn't. I'm saying we have some mindless bandwagoners here who switched wagons, and need to switch back.

[Chevre]

No access from July 13th to July 18th. Replace me if need be.

[EGL]

I still don't get how a DH town flip would make Blaze town.

[EGL]

Oh sorry I got this confused with another game.

[Asaclardy]

I feel uneasy about how in control BM is, honestly.

True, but he has some good points...

Oh, and

Mod: is there a reason for the lack of votecount recently? Thanks.

[silverbullet999]

Anyone have some energy to post BM's sheep? Might be interesting to see a list or something of the sort. (I'm too lazy to do it right now.)

Also Wicked is V/LA I believe and the other mod maybe hasn't checked our game in awhile.

[Battle Mage]

BM you skipped my question...

BM stop drinking and answer my question...

You said if i couldnt be bothered to answer, that was fine. I can't be bothered to answer.

I'm well aware of the players you would refer to as "my sheep". But as with any good shepherd, i'm not about to start killing my flock en masse.

These are pointless lines of thought atm. We need a lynch for today.

Now, am i the only one absolutely bewildered at EGL posting game-related content in our thread, clearly intentionally? Because of the impact upon the game, i think it's our duty to request to the Mod that action is taken to punish his team (as he himself cannot be punished).
Dont get me wrong, i frequently breach the "no posting when you're dead rule" for bah posts and the like, but posting game related content in the middle of the next day? That CANNOT CANNOT CANNOT be allowed to stand.

So come on, where's my sheep at?

BM

[Battle Mage]

I feel uneasy about how in control BM is, honestly.

As you may have noticed, i find it a bit unnerving too. But i'm not gonna complain. Better the town is led by me than be in complete disarray or led by a scumbag. Though i wish this kinda thing did happen to me as scum. lmao

I'm happy if you guys wanna pursue a lynch on me before the end of the game. It's a given really. And this is the first time in the game so far when i'm open to other suggestions of lynches. I'm not 100% tied to a Demon lynch, so if there's another case out there, let me hear it.

However, it will not be Mitsu.

BM

[Battle Mage]

It's soft defending. Saying "He's probably scummy but I'm going to vote for someone else" seems to me that you're giving it more time before you vote for him, maybe to try to kill off one more townie in my eyes.

And what do you mean, what do I hope to gain? I'm telling you my thoughts on the subject.

I can't believe that every word out of BM's mouth is instantly believed, by the way. BM isn't being 100% protown, instead, everyone is being 100% sheeple. Experience doesn't equal townliness.

There's no merit to your first argument. A mafia member who wont make endgame is of no value to the mafia, so may as well off them earlier rather than later.

Where's your case on me? I'd be interested to hear that.

BM

[Wickedestjr]

I'm back and will try to make a votecount and see who needs prods soon.

[Battle Mage]

please check your pms aswell.

BM

[q21]

Votecount please Mod?

[danakillsu]

@mod
Please replace me. I need to be replaced in all my games, since I will be gone for over three weeks.

[Battle Mage]

Unvote, Vote: Q21

BM

[Battle Mage]

dana is still town. I want MOD ACTION.

[DemonHybrid]

Unvote, Vote: Q21

BM

....for wanting a votecount? What?