Mini 985:Madness at Night: Game over


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Post Post #650 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:12 am

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I cant believe I get to go over this again:

As a whole, look at llama's play. Not a function of the guilty or any of that. If I have to go back and quote the rationales for all of the fabulous votes so far.

Now, add into that the "OHH SNAP I HAVE A PR" but opting not to actually
say what it is
under the guise of claiming helps only the scum - which is dubious under the best of circumstances but when we have three claimed investigative roles is a pile of garbage.

Now, lets look at that piece of it:

Today LLama built a case on charter but abandoned it for SSBF when the winds didn't blow. Further, you get quips like this:
Hmm. This Charter/ssbf one is annoying. I still stand by my ssbf first decision. It will help us sort out the cops... Unless he is scum, then it will just make all of us be unsurprised.
Which would be awesome except for the fact that his
initial vote was on charter
. SSBF was a throwaway and this was used to justify, once again, the self-preservation instead of actually committing and doing something.

BUT I KNOW THATS NOT GOING TO BE ENOUGH THIS GAME NO SIR so lets examine what happens:

There's a few assumations here but they are pretty solid:

1.) One, and exactly one, of the three claimed roles is lying
--- Barring paranoid/naive/gunsmith having all three be town makes absolutely no sense. And that above setup is woosoh.
--- With a Sando scum flip the only scenario in which there would be two would be Charter + SSBF. And that, good sirs, is just insane.
2.) AGM is the town pick of the group.
--- See above. AGM in all scenarios makes no sense as scum.
3.) Both cop claims, if true, are NOT sane.
4.) This game follows normal strictures and is not an 8-4 setup.

So, with that said:
1.) Llama flips scum.
-- AGM is a sane cop.
-- Hence, SSBF is lying/naive. Money is waay on the former.
-- Charter is a function of investigation. Realistically, if we wanted to seal the deal with no GF present AGM would be investigating charter.

Net result: SSBF-scum (barring investigation), Llama-scum. Game over.
2.) Llama flips town.
-- AGM is an insane cop.
-- Hence, SSBF is a sane cop.
-- Charter is the scum in that pairing. The other exists somewhere else.

AND AND of course "why not Charter / SSBF first?"

Untying the knot needed to happen D1. If its done today AND is a town flip the other actual role is dead. Period.

A scum llama here wins it. A town llama hands us most likely a scum.
A scum PR is a gamble but WOULD pay off. A town PR nets a scum at the cost of all investigative roles.

So, want to play it by numbers? Llama.
Want to actually lynch scum? Llama.

Force the damn hand with it and not play into it ffs.
Wicked wrote:Why would podium be scum if Sando flipped scum? Podium was one of the strongest supporters of the Sando lynch.
Uhh?

I say nothing about Poduim as scum if Sando is scum.
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Post Post #651 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2010 12:10 pm

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Fine.
Unvote. Vote: llamaeatataco.
Let's see how this flies. In case it wasn't obvious, I admit my interest/inspiration has hit a huge roadblock. So if Spy is town then he's probably doing it right and I'm doing it wrong. I still have gut reservations about him but objectively I agree that llama is the play here. Spy keeps making these brilliant posts anyway which make me want to open my veins because I like him in the scum column and that's making it really hard and yeah.
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Post Post #652 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2010 12:11 pm

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Also WTF is going on? Yeah guys podium was a death godfather so what the fack no shut up lunacy misunderstandings.
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Post Post #653 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2010 2:53 pm

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Final Vote Count

Llamaeatataco 5-(AlmasterGM, SpyreX, Super Smash Bros. Fan, charter, crypto)

Super Smash Bros. Fan 2-(nopointinactingup, Llamaeatataco)

Charter 2-(hiphop, Wickedestjr)

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Lynch scene


The town was far calmer today, in a sense, actually deciding on a few lynch candidates instead of accusing everyone. However, with numerous people saying they had important jobs, the chaos of choosing between a few, was almost as bad as when they accused everyone.

Poor Llama. Poor, poor Llama. He wasn't decided upon from suspicion, so much as efficiency. A sad day for his life, "No, no no no no! This isn't good! Not now...this" Screamed Llama. He didn't have time to finish his thought, for the town gang beat him to death. When searching his stuff, they found that.

Llamaeatataco, the Town Elite Bodyguard, has been lynched.
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Post Post #654 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2010 3:25 pm

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Well.....god damnit. I messed up. frick frickity frick frick frick.

Sigh. I am a terrible mod....alrighty, I'm gonna have the lynch go through, but give Llama an action tonight....Going to kill myself now.
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Post Post #655 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2010 4:25 pm

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Podium has sugested a time out to decide a different compromise. I'll think of a few more options, and strongly consider any ideas you come up with
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Post Post #656 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2010 4:37 pm

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Thanks hayker.

Perhaps those more experienced than me have different ideas, or perhaps everyone was fine with what hayker proposed. just sound off.

some off the top of my head:

- kill a mafia (too much?)
- prevent any night kills
- give llama his night action, but ensure that he protects town and not mafia (mod would tell him to choose again if he picked mafia)
- turn a mafia pr into a goon

Ideas??
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Post Post #657 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2010 4:39 pm

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what happened?
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Post Post #658 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2010 4:46 pm

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llama got lynched with only 4 votes
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Post Post #659 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2010 4:52 pm

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In the interest of game integrity, I don't think there should be an open debate on this. People have different motivations and this discussion creates a optimization subgame of sorts, where the scum have to try and push the least damaging option to their team while still trying to appear protown.

Mistakes happen. The mod should just make a decision and move on.
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Post Post #660 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2010 4:57 pm

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well perhaps the mod can confer with a group of experienced players outside of this thread to determine what would be fair. it could then be presented to us, and we could vote to either accept the compromise, or scrap the game.
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Post Post #661 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:21 pm

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first off, fuck you crypto. This might be my bah post, so I'm making it definitive.
The game. Guess what? You just lost it.
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Post Post #662 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:23 pm

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oh for cripes sake llama... how bout comment on the situation at hand? :roll:
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Post Post #663 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:32 pm

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AGM has the right of this.

This is not a public forum for this. Mod really needs to lock it and talk to someone out of the game with what he should do.
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Post Post #664 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:37 pm

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AlmasterGM wrote:In the interest of game integrity, I don't think there should be an open debate on this. People have different motivations and this discussion creates a optimization subgame of sorts, where the scum have to try and push the least damaging option to their team while still trying to appear protown.

Mistakes happen. The mod should just make a decision and move on.
I agree. Just go with your original suggestion hayker.
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Post Post #665 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:51 pm

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im not cool with the original suggestion, which is why i spoke up. if it ends up that i'm the only one that feels that way, then i'll drop it.

people need to say what they want to do. do you want to proceed with the original suggestion, or not?
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Post Post #666 (ISO) » Wed Jul 14, 2010 3:38 am

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Decision has been made. I'm going with my original choice of action. Deadline set on Friday, July 16, 8AM PST.
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Post Post #667 (ISO) » Fri Jul 16, 2010 7:52 am

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Day 3


Death had once again struck in the night. The Bodies of Llamaeatataco and Charter were discovered bleeding on the ground. It looks as though there had been a fight between the two.

Llamaeatataco, the Elite Bodyguard, and Charter, Vanilla Mafia, have killed one another.

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Post Post #668 (ISO) » Fri Jul 16, 2010 9:08 am

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I'm going on vacation for the next 2 weeks but I should have computer access for most of that time. Don't expect too much posting from me during that time (I also don't know if I'll be able to post every day during this time), but I'll try to get a post or two in each day.
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Post Post #669 (ISO) » Fri Jul 16, 2010 9:10 am

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I was starting to suspect SSBF after the day 2 ended, but charter's flip suggests that SSBF is town. I need to think about the game a little bit.
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Post Post #670 (ISO) » Fri Jul 16, 2010 9:11 am

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Something we need to know is who Llama protected. That person is confirmed town. I'll take a look at who Llama thought was town.
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Post Post #671 (ISO) » Fri Jul 16, 2010 9:15 am

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Night 2, I investigated charter. He got a Mafia result from me.

I also need to re-read some people to look for potential connections.
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Post Post #672 (ISO) » Fri Jul 16, 2010 9:27 am

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AGM and SSBF are town.
Vote: SpyreX.
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Post Post #673 (ISO) » Fri Jul 16, 2010 9:29 am

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Oh, and llama, go the fuck home.
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Post Post #674 (ISO) » Fri Jul 16, 2010 9:30 am

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crypto wrote:AGM and SSBF are town.
Unless of course AGM faked to get llama lynched.

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