New York 116 - Prozacs Large Normal - Who won?

[Stef]

fix this god awful anti-town behavior.

Make a decision already. Anti-town or scummy? Cause they ain't the same.

You're just making my eyes bleed. Really.

[Wraith]

@Wraith

you iso Stef yet?

I like toog's 471/Agar's 473...spam

I haven't, and after the last one took so long I don't think I will. I'm tired. But I'll take a look and skim.

[Wraith]

After skimming through, I find Stef is similar to Benmage - not particularly scummy. It's hard to get a read on either without a flip on one, because both have contributed with fair points and both have had some scumminess about them all day. I'd say that they are merely opposite alignments, but that might be

too

general. I've seen townies go at each other like this before (slightly more ferocious though, but still).

[AGar]

Post #502. Just one more reason you should be voting Wraith right now. Total and complete fence-sitting, refusing to take a stance, and a lot of words to put forth no real opinion. IIoA if I ever saw it.

[Wraith]

Refusing to take a stance? I've made my views on people perfectly clear since I started buckling down. It's impossible to be certain about alignment off wording and some actions alone, especially on Day 1. You need flips to know whose words/actions you can trust and whose you cannot. Which is why I'm pushing for my own lynch.

[Wraith]

The fact that you're reacting to this single post after my more recent history in this game with absolute hostility is planting the seeds of doubt in my mind. However, this is probably the first time I've seen you make an argument with poor reasoning or basis in logic this game, which is why they're only seeds and not sparks.

[Tazaro]

Post #502. Just one more reason you should be voting Wraith right now. Total and complete fence-sitting, refusing to take a stance, and a lot of words to put forth no real opinion. IIoA if I ever saw it.

What's IIoA? And yes to more Wraith votes, please.

[AGar]

Post #502. Just one more reason you should be voting Wraith right now. Total and complete fence-sitting, refusing to take a stance, and a lot of words to put forth no real opinion. IIoA if I ever saw it.

What's IIoA? And yes to more Wraith votes, please.

Information Instead of Analysis. A Tar's Standard Tell.

[AGar]

Oh yeah, and

V/LA August 6th through 8th. I won't be posting until late Sunday night.

[Wraith]

I have a question for you AGar: Why are you suddenly ignoring the three or four extensive analysis posts I've already done?

[Porochaz]

Wraith - 6 - Charlie, Lowell, Agar, Tazaro, Mr. Sandman, Oso
Benmage - 3 - Anon, Stef, CCARaven
Stef - 2 - Benmage, Toogeloo
Mothrax - 1 - Toon Fighter
tubby - 1 - Zorblag
Toon Fighter - 1 - mothrax
Lowell - 1 - Wraith

Not Voting - 1 - tubby

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline August the 11th

Finding Anon replacement.
Looking at other prods now.

[Porochaz]

Lowell
Mothrax
Toon Fighter
Zorblag

are being prodded.

[Tazaro]

Lowell
Mothrax
Toon Fighter
Zorblag

I find it interesting that all but one of them are the only person voting for their respective vote target. Contribute, please.

[mothrax]

Sorry, my V/LA lasted longer than expected due to illness... I will try to reread and post sometime tonight

[tubby216]

vote:Wraith

[Toogeloo]

Why Wraith is submitting to being lynched is beyond me. Is he giving up? Does he really feel his lynch will provide more information on who is scum and town than anyone elses lynch? Him begging to be lynched is no better than a policy lynch at this point because he is telling people to vote for him giving them a free pass to get on board. I still don't like Wraith, and if he does flip scum, he has given all his mates a way to mask their behavior, but if he flips town, any scum on the lynch will practically be undetectable because he told them to get onboard.

Look at the tubby vote for example. Can we determine his alignment based on that post after Wraith's flip?

[Tazaro]

Refusing to take a stance?

I've made my views on people perfectly clear since I started buckling down. It's impossible to be certain about alignment off wording and some actions alone, especially on Day 1. You need flips to know whose words/actions you can trust and whose you cannot

. Which is why I'm pushing for my own lynch.

Well, Toogeloo,

this

is what he asserted to be the reason for why his lynch is informational. I think his connections that he's made with people can be examined after a lynch, because I don't think his cleverness in throwing us off is exceptionally high, given the faults he made.

[Benmage]

He's at L-2, no need to rush with the added deadline. Let's hear from troll, moth, and toon.

[Benmage]

He's at L-2, no need to rush with the added deadline. Let's hear from troll, moth, and toon.

[Wraith]

If I was scum, I assure you I would not be drawing this much attention to myself. I probably would have attempted to fade into the background when someone else started becoming suspicious. But no, we're getting somewhat close to deadline, and we need a lynch. I'm not a power role, and my flip can be very informative. So I'm a good choice, in all honesty.

[Benmage]

Wraith, your bleeding town at this point which is something scum want gone asap.

@Charlie

why wraith? Your iso 14 which is your forced content doesn't give that much information. State the case on him, and your reasoning. Bullets is fine.

Baddd tubby vote. Tubby follow ze benmage, vote stef.

[Stef]

Wraith, your bleeding town at this point

This I agree. However, it appears that neither my or your wagon is actually growing. Unless we can actually find another viable target D1 is probably gonna end lynching town knowingly and that is horrible. I don't see what information can be gathered when everybody has a huge free pass to vote for Wraith for no reason. It's just bad.

Also, I don't like the pressure other players put on to lynch Wraith. Gonna reread.

We still have time to swing this around.

[Toon Fighter]

I am sorry I haven't posted much, but this game isn't being very interesting. I know, I know, part of that may be my fault, but I will try to catch up and post more often. I will read all the game today and post later. I will continue in the game, there is no need to replace me.

For now

unvote

[Toogeloo]

Refusing to take a stance?

I've made my views on people perfectly clear since I started buckling down. It's impossible to be certain about alignment off wording and some actions alone, especially on Day 1. You need flips to know whose words/actions you can trust and whose you cannot

. Which is why I'm pushing for my own lynch.

Well, Toogeloo,

this

is what he asserted to be the reason for why his lynch is informational. I think his connections that he's made with people can be examined after a lynch, because I don't think his cleverness in throwing us off is exceptionally high, given the faults he made.

But what it seems like is being asked is that if he flips town, we should lynch people he thought was scummy. How is his day 1 opinion more valid than actual evidence from a mislynch or scum lynch? There is little information we can gain from players if we lynch someone asking to be lynched, and to go after people he thinks are scummy afterwards is just asking us to trust his Day 1 gut.

[Tazaro]

The way I see information coming about is: If Wraith flips town, check the people on his wagon that I believe is, as of now, 7/9ths full (lynch-2). If Wraith's scum, then check distancing and buddying involving Wraith. The fact that it's L-2 makes it interesting whether the next people will vote for Wraith or for Stef.