Newbie 981 ~ Over

[jntp]

lol if u lynch me, then mafia will have higher chance of winning
and fortunately i am able to access the internet right now

[Andrius]

Way to completely and irrevocably out me JVW. :/

Mafia will have a lesser chance of winning: less suspects.

[Adrien C]

Like it wasn't obvious...

[Andrius]

Pshhh. Maybe lurker jntp would have missed it.

Also

V/LA from today to Monday night.

I don't think I'll have internet where I'm going, so.

[KittyMo]

Vote Count 22

[2] jntp - (mothrax, julienvonwolfe)

[0] Andrius - ()
[0] Adrien C - ()
[0] julienvonwolfe - ()
[0] mothrax - ()

[3]

Not Voting

- (Andrius, jntp, Adrien C)

With

5

alive, it's

3

to lynch!

Deadline is at Thursday, August 19, 2010 at 12:00:00 Noon (Sacramento time)

[Adrien C]

The more and more I think about it, the more uneasy I am that Wolfe just threw JNTP at L-1 without too much discussion...

[mothrax]

I agree, but I really don't know what to do in this situation.

[Adrien C]

We have about 12 days to figure out who would be the best lynch.

[mothrax]

Well, chosen, who died on the first night's only connection with anyone was that he voted jntp in RVS... he also hammered doc, so i don't really know how much we should read into that...
this is just theorizing, but I assume as an IC that jvw is experienced... we were dealing with a quickhammer d1, which would have been benificial to have lefr alive since it would have lead to town scrutiny... something an experienced player would have known. I think we are dealing with newbscum here...

[Adrien C]

Too much guessing and theorizing to go off that. JNTP...you can scum hunt anytime now.

[julienvonwolfe]

Yes, I have realised that I didn't think things through completely - see my second paragraph. In a sense, though, I didn't consider there to be much need for discussion, given the ease of my process of elimination. I try not to muck around too much when playing mafia, especially when we're dealing with players like jntp. In my experience, it's too easy to fall into the newbie vs. scum trap and then excuse behaviour that shouldn't be excused.

However, my process of elimination is not 100%, as it hinges upon Andrius' cop claim, and I have since realised he could be a mafia goon who knows there's not a cop in the set-up. Things that cast doubt on his claim in my eyes are the fact that he hasn't revealed who he investigated night 1 and why (so far as I can tell, anyway), despite my sort of poking him about previous investigations in my last post. Also, the shifty way in which he carried out the claim - sort of almost trying to softclaim in an outrageously obvious way, meant to avoid discussion of it. We need to get this sorted out today, but I'm going to leave jntp at L-1 for now as I don't think he's in any danger of a quicklynch as town or scum.

[Adrien C]

He's most likely a cop. We already got a dead roleblocker and a dead doctor.

[julienvonwolfe]

We have a dead roleblocker?

[mothrax]

we have a dead doc, no rb... I think his speculation on the rb was that since he was a cop, there was an RB which is why he has no investigation from either n1 or n2... whichever...

[Adrien C]

My bad. I thought Dr.Shiz was a RB.

[Adrien C]

we have a dead doc, no rb... I think his speculation on the rb was that since he was a cop, there was an RB which is why he has no investigation from either n1 or n2... whichever...

That thought crossed my mind, actually. I dunno. With Andy being V/LA, we're not going to know for a while.

[mothrax]

but there should be one other answer... unless... hmmmm... now I have to reread and ponder...

There's a Mafia Roleblocker in this setup. That should cue you in to why there's only one answer.

here?

[Adrien C]

What page is that post on?

[mothrax]

post 335 on pg 15

[Adrien C]

Aye. He must have been hinting that he was blocked once.

[KittyMo]

Vote Count 23

[2] jntp - (mothrax, julienvonwolfe)

[0] Andrius - ()
[0] Adrien C - ()
[0] julienvonwolfe - ()
[0] mothrax - ()

[3]

Not Voting

- (Andrius, jntp, Adrien C)

With

5

alive, it's

3

to lynch!

Deadline is at Thursday, August 19, 2010 at 12:00:00 Noon (Sacramento time)

[Adrien C]

Nearly 24 hours without posts...come on, guys!!

[jntp]

if i were absent for the majority of the thread, does not that make me ineligible vote?

no, it actually makes you seem more scummy in my eyes... you have contributed almost nothing to this game, even when you were called out on it. You have lurked, not even actively.
Also, on day 1, you never once voted. That reads to me as someone trying to slip under the radar. And actually you haven't voted once throughout this game. Towns power lies in the vote. It is incredible that you have been able to stay under the radar this long.

Vote: jntp

- If I were scum, then I probably would've joined you (suspicious people) and voted Tangion the townie, cause I would know the roles of everyone. I was reluctant to vote for Tangion because of the tone of his messages seemed innocent, since he was questioning everything (like newbie would do)

Obviously, from my own point of view that leaves the last scum as one of jntp and mothrax. Andrius, I'm guessing you haven't investigated either jntp, mothrax or I, since you haven't made any mention of it?

I have re-thought my views on mothrax; my criticisms of him have previously been things like logic, and I think that my opinion of him might have been clouded by the effect of going into a bit of a 1-on-1 scrap with somebody. The effect of my break from the game has been to allow me to come back with a completely clear head and now I view him more as a conscientious townie, one of the few in this game who seems to really be trying hard. (Yeah, I know. Sorry... ) Now, of course, there's the flopping on and off the scum wagon day one, but there are two sides to every coin and it is possible that he was just trying to be as sure as possible; quite a common thing for new players to do, I think.

All told that leaves only one possible place for my vote today: our serially useless player, jntp. I don't even think we need a claim, as he's obviously not doc, he hasn't counter-claimed cop, and he's not exactly going to claim scum!

So, L-1.

VOTE: jntp

- lol i simply don't claim scum because I can't just go around claiming something I'm not...sure, you can lynch me, but the scum will lynch another innocent townie...GL with that. Also, it's pretty funny and suspicious how you (who also has been inactive) would suddenly join mothrax and vote me.....that's quite scummy because (obviously, a scum knows the roles of the players) and may quickly jump in with someone who accused a townie so there will be fewer townies, making it easier for the scum to win!

Too much guessing and theorizing to go off that. JNTP...you can scum hunt anytime now.

- lol like i said, i can't scum hunt because I simply don't have that role. If you choose to lynch me, then good luck with that (unless you're scum)

And I don't reply to you people's comments about how I am lurking and stuff, because it's blatant that you will not listen to my "lame" excuses...also, you will probably rant about how I'm uncommitted, useless, or lurking scum etc. in reply to my lame excuse

[Adrien C]

You did see the post I made about how uneasy I am about Wolfy bringing you to L-1. You're not going to be lynched at the time being. Chill out with the AtE. I'm exploring all possibilities before I even think about who I'm shooting for. I just would like you to help with the discussion on who we need to string up.

[Andrius]

I Was RB'd N1, for the record. I attempted to Investigate mothrax.
Adrien C was N2 = Innocent. (D'oh.)