New York 115: Wickedestjr's Large Mafia (Game Over)

[Asaclardy]

Mod: No access for 2 days starting tomorrow. I'll be back friday.

[Sucrose]

Unvote

Shit, forgot I still had my vote there.

[Wickedestjr]

Votecount 67:

RichardGHP - (5) - Adrien C, DavidParker, q21, Toon Fighter, foilist13
Adrien C - (2) - RichardGHP, Vezokpiraka
Sucrose - (1) - kunkstar7
Toon Fighter - (1) - Chevre
Vezokpiraka - (1) - SlySly
Not Voting - (2) - Asaclardy, Sucrose

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch!

[RichardGHP]

Don't expect a text wall PBPA complete with quote tunnels.

ISO OF ADRIEN C

Post 0: Confirm, nothing to see here
Post 1: Fairly standard RVS vote
Post 2: Strange comment regarding early bandwagons; very vague and a poor attempt at humour - a known scumtell (in some cases)
Post 3: "I take it we're being seroius now." - Adrien's exact words. Feels like it comes from a neutral or outsider perspective. Possibly a noobtell, leaning towards a scumtell however.
Post 4: Says he is unsure of whether he likes one of dana's posts (which wasn't really mention-worthy to begin with, due to some randomness still being evident). Double fencesitting, double the scumness. Wait, no. Scratch that. TRIPLE fencesitting due to the "I'm not defending EGL" bit. Triple the scumness. I don't know if you can call ambiguity a scumtell. Probably not. Feels he needs to justify unvoting his RVS target, resulting in a three-way fencesit and an obvious attempt to look pro-town.
Post 5: Ambiguous facepalm, justification of dana suspicion, strange that he quoted the post before this but neglected to vote up until now. Also "I could be wrong but..." in a voting post almost always comes from scums.
Post 6: ISO means that I can't see who he was questioning and I can't be bothered looking so I'll leave this post alone. Prima facie it looks fair enough.
Post 7: Says he believes there were scum on the BM wagon. Doesn't say why or who. Sense of insincerity from the use of "honestly".
Post 8: An EXTREMELY far-fetched theory, one that would gain him townie points if it was true. From my experience, only very astute townies and scum post these theories, with the former generally analyzing possible outcomes of them. Adrien doesn't strike me as a very astute townie (no offence) so yeah.
Post 9: Not quite sure if this is genuine justification or backtracking.
Post 10: This for sure is backtracking. You said "I believe there was scum on the RVS BM wagon.", you then proceded to deny the fact you made that claim, calling it a theory instead.
Post 11: Blatant AtE. Not a great scumtell, but hellishly annoying not to mention anti-town.
Post 12: Refuses to or can't back up his "theory". This was the tipping point in Adrien getting my vote in the first place, I believe.
Post 13: Lists two suspicions (I think?) and then calls both of them longshots. Quit with the fencesitting, man. Also, how the hell is 3 posts in a row a scumtell?
Post 14: Fair enough, I suppose
Post 15: Again: How is posting 3 times in a row suspicious? And then to just parrot what Mitsuru said.
Post 16: See Post 15.
Post 17: "Kinda" gives you suspicion? WHAT THE EFFING HELL ADRIEN. MAKE YOUR MIND UP.
Post 18: Calls out Chevre for parrotting. Fair enough. Newbclaims. There's a new one. Managed to wait 19 posts; I'm impressed.
Post 19: Parrots BM
Post 20: False IoA comment without justification
Post 21: His most blatant parrotting yet. Less relevant to the game, so it comes out on about the same level as his previous stuff.
Post 22: Three scumreads. One is parrotted, one is based on false pretenses.
Post 23: Aye aye, Captain Obvious. Full steam ahead!
Post 24: Nothing much to see here.

That's page 1 of his ISO done, I can prolly do another 2 pages tomorrow, 4 and 5 the day after that and most of his most recent page I have already covered. Objections to this method?

[Sucrose]

Alright, I don't want the votes going back up while I'm asleep, and Sly seems to be lurking today, so....

Don't lynch Richard. Sly is scum, he killed CJ last night.

I do think it's a good guess Richard is Sly's partner, but we'll get to that later.

[Toon Fighter]

Soooo... You did get a result tonight? Why not say earlier?

[foilist13]

I don't buy the ISO case. It is so obviously cabricated, it's making me cry.

There is no way you find every single one of his posts to be scummy. That is simply not true. You are grasping at straws to the max. If you have a legitimately good case you should be able to summarize it in 5 clear concise points or less. You just went through everything he said and came up with a way to interpret it as scummy. There may even be something legitimate in there, but we would have no way of finding it in all the riff raff.

@Sucrose: Why oh why didn't you tell us when we asked you earlier, and why oh why should we believe you now?

[vezokpiraka]

LOL.
SlySly is scum.

unvote
Vote SlySly

[SlySly]

Hard to kill someone that you didn't target. Sucrose, with the amount of dead townies so far, you would do yourself and the town better if you would quit lying and attempting to bring the xhairs onto a townie that you don't understand.

[DavidParker]

Alright, I don't want the votes going back up while I'm asleep, and Sly seems to be lurking today, so....

Don't lynch Richard. Sly is scum, he killed CJ last night.

I do think it's a good guess Richard is Sly's partner, but we'll get to that later.

Now we're talking!

I like how he previously claimed to have no result (assuming he did find out that slysly killed CJMiller), at the start as that did leave some playing room to find slysly's scum partner.

Slysly's response seems very worried.

Also, richard's actions at L-1 is scum beyond all scum. Asks people to unvote, saying he will do isos. Iso's isn't even scum hunting, it's just putting a scummy twist on every post he has made, or basically looking at all his posts from a scum perspective, which you can do for... Anyone!

@RICHARD: I don't want an iso and you talking about all his posts, if you're making a case on Adrien, do so using logical arguments, and back it up with quotes that explain it where necessary. An iso is useless, and the fact you resorted to one makes me find you scummier. (Also asking us to unvote etc)

But, if sucrose has results, I am willing to act on those.

[SlySly]

Dp, I am on phone ATM. Hard to post. The worry is already depleted town being further depleted by lies and or false results. Will post later from home and make things clearer.

[DavidParker]

False results? The only thing that would make them false is if CJMiller is scum.

[SlySly]

That isn't the only thing. As far as CJ being scum, he would have to be the death Miller. Not likely.

[Sucrose]

Yes, apologies, this was a probably a bad idea. I didn't want to make up a result on a player, so I claimed no result. I probably should have dropped the plan with Q21 didn't get his result in, because it did look really suspicious.

But I knew that I could get Sly lynched by the end of the day, so I thought I'd try and pull some more information out of the situation.
Anyway, if you don't believe me, I breadcrumbed it in my second post:

G

reat, neither did I.

A

nyway, I still think Richard is probably scum, followed by Toon Fighter and Foilest.

M

aybe Adrien too, but we've only got 1 scum PR flip per team so far and that bugs me.

B

ut maybe the scum PR's don't line up and there really was only a doctor and an Neighborizor for scum PRs.

I

don't really think Chevre or SlySly are scum, they've both been pretty town the whole game.

T

oo bad Mitsu flipped town, I was so damn sure she was scum.

[RichardGHP]

foilist: If you wanted a summarisation of my case in 5 points or less, why didn't you say so? Also, I didn't try to find something scum-like about every post. If you actually bothered to read it you'd know that.

Asking someone to unvote at L-1 is not scum-like. People asked me for an Adrien case, I'm giving them one. Also not scum-like.

[Adrien C]

Wow...like I told you before, Richard, I'm just a plain vanilla townie. You don't even seem to be convinced yourself that I am scum. Not by that post anyway. You're at L-2. Anyone want to get back to lynching him?

[Chevre]

Unvote

Adrien C: Take everything into account. Who would you rather lynch: RichardGHP or Sucrose?

[RichardGHP]

Who do you think

Adrien, I wouldn't be pushing you if I wasn't convinced that you are scum.

[Adrien C]

Richard. I really do think Sucrose what he claims to be because his results on me fits what my role is.

[Chevre]

Oops sorry. I meant Richard or SlySly.

[q21]

Unvote, Vote SlySly

I'm unimpressed with Sucrose's gambit, but I do think he's telling the truth. I still think Richard is scummy due to his refusal to claim at L-1.

[Adrien C]

I could be talked into lynching SlySly but I'd rather lynch Richard.

[Sucrose]

I could be talked into lynching SlySly but I'd rather lynch Richard.

May I ask why? If SlySly flips anything but scum, you can lynch me.

[Sucrose]

Forgot.

Unvote, Vote: SlySly

[RichardGHP]

I could

be talked into lynching SlySly

but

I'd rather lynch Richard.

^ Sounds familiar...

Did anyone notice

I could

have done a quick hammer

, but

didn't?

I would

help lynch Richard,

but

I don't want to seem like some sort of OMGUSer.

I want

Richard lynched next phase,

but

I'll put Mitsuru at L-1.