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Post Post #1825 (ISO) » Wed Aug 11, 2010 10:04 am

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RichardGHP wrote:Adrien is still scum, as well as Blazez, and I wouldn't at all mind seeing either of them die today. I'd still prefer Demon, though. If Blazez gets to L-1 I'll gladly hammer, and if Adrien picks up a few votes I'll swing that way. For the time being, at least, though, still keeping my vote where it is.
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That works. Demon or Adrien tomorrow, mmk?
RichardGHP wrote:Adrien or Demon would be an optimal lynch at the moment.
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again to find out if Adrien is worth pushing past Demon. If not I'll switch. Either is good really. Whichever wagon is more likely to result in a lynch. ^.^
RichardGHP wrote:Demon and Adrien both have 2 votes, while Mitsu only has 5. >.>
But thank you for putting a VC up.

With Adrien and Demon tied there is no reason for me to switch at the moment.
RichardGHP wrote:I know I said I wouldn't do it yet, but the Mitsuru wagon sucks and the Adrien wagon is clearly going nowhere. And, none of my other suspicions have wagons that are worth trying to push to competing status.
RichardGHP wrote:Adrien is still scum, as well as Blazez, and I wouldn't at all mind seeing either of them die today. I'd still prefer Demon, though. If Blazez gets to L-1 I'll gladly hammer, and if Adrien picks up a few votes I'll swing that way. For the time being, at least, though, still keeping my vote where it is.

At any rate, these 3 people need to be the lynches for Days 3, 4 and 5. No exceptions.
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That works. Demon or Adrien tomorrow, mmk?
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Post Post #1826 (ISO) » Wed Aug 11, 2010 10:31 am

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I believe sucrose is what she claims to be. However, if she has results showing me visiting CJ, which she hasnt confirmed yet, those results are wrong. I am not going to full claim unless I have to and at this point, I don't, but on n2, karma got results from someone he didn't target. I didn't target CJ last night. If what sucrose is inferring is true, there is a redirector in our midst.
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Post Post #1827 (ISO) » Wed Aug 11, 2010 12:42 pm

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CJMiller is dead. You were the only one to visit him (it's him right?) last night. Do the math.

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Post Post #1828 (ISO) » Wed Aug 11, 2010 1:35 pm

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foilist13 wrote:You were the only one to visit him (it's him right?) last night. Do the math.
I didn't target him. If I visited him, it wasn't by my doing. You are leaving a big part out of the equation.
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Post Post #1829 (ISO) » Wed Aug 11, 2010 1:42 pm

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I think that would be the opposite role, dude. Difference between Watchers and Trackers.
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Post Post #1830 (ISO) » Wed Aug 11, 2010 1:46 pm

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Who did you target?

Personally I think you're scrambling to try and save yourself, but I'll hear you out.
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Post Post #1831 (ISO) » Wed Aug 11, 2010 2:09 pm

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I believe at this point we need a claim from SlySly. If its what I think possibly, then his claim of a redirector makes sense (Or Sucrose is scum).
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Post Post #1832 (ISO) » Wed Aug 11, 2010 3:41 pm

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Sucrose wrote:Who did you target?

Personally I think you're scrambling to try and save yourself, but I'll hear you out.
Who I targeted is irrelevant but last night I targeted Asaclardy and received no results.
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Though I think it would be to the town's advantage for me not to, I will fully claim with results if it gets to that point.
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Post Post #1833 (ISO) » Wed Aug 11, 2010 3:49 pm

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Just saying that probably put a bit of a target on your back.
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Post Post #1834 (ISO) » Wed Aug 11, 2010 3:59 pm

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I believe it is highly likely that you are going to escape this day without getting at least to L-1, and you aren't going to survive if you don't reveal why Sucrose's action doesn't make you scum.
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Post Post #1835 (ISO) » Wed Aug 11, 2010 5:13 pm

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There are results showing you targetted the person who died, with a claimed jailkeeper/watcher/tracker and now you claiming a PR (that isn't going to be redirector), another PR as a redirector seems unlikely, unless some of these are scuM PR's. SlySly, sadly if there is a redirector you've drawn the short straw, but the picture paints you as scum.

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Post Post #1836 (ISO) » Wed Aug 11, 2010 5:55 pm

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L-1. Claim.
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Post Post #1837 (ISO) » Wed Aug 11, 2010 5:56 pm

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By my count, that is L-1.

I am a JOAT. I win with the town. I don't know what effect my night action will have but I do know it will have an effect if not blocked.

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N1: targeted EGL, no results
N2: targeted kunkstar, got innocent result on tubby
N3: no action submitted

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Post Post #1838 (ISO) » Wed Aug 11, 2010 6:15 pm

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CJ and Q21 claimed D2, I believe. I was outed D4. Despite being known PRs, none of us had any strange or inconsistent targeting results. Yet you say that you must have been targeted by a hypothetical re-director not once, but twice.

Nice effort, but not buying it.
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Post Post #1839 (ISO) » Wed Aug 11, 2010 6:24 pm

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Has anyone ever heard of a JOAT that doesn't know what he can do? That's really inventor territory from my limited experience.

Sly; how many times can you target?

Very tempted to hammer at this point.
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Post Post #1840 (ISO) » Wed Aug 11, 2010 6:33 pm

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Sucrose wrote: CJ and Q21 claimed D2, I believe. I was outed D4. Despite being known PRs, none of us had any strange or inconsistent targeting results. Yet you say that you must have been targeted by a hypothetical re-director not once, but twice.
It is about as probable as yours, CJ's and q21's intertwining so perfectly yesterday and you following that up by tracking me. If you chose to target me, why do you find it so hard to believe someone else might too? If I was scum I would have hammered what I know to be a confirmed a town PR when q21 was at L-1. All I would have had to do was sit back and go along with the wagon and not point out my opinion of the apparent confirmation and q21 would have been lynched.

@Richard:

I had never heard of a JOAT before I replaced into this game so I don't if the mechanics of my role match the general standards of the role. I can target once per night.
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Post Post #1841 (ISO) » Wed Aug 11, 2010 6:51 pm

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OK, I had to put everything together and I have a theory: SlySly is a serial killer.

On night 1, there were only two kills because two anti-town factions both selected to kill EGL or SSBF, or one targetted Battle Mage but he was jailkept. I'm thinking a scumteam and SK-Karma targetted EGL.

On night 2, there were three kills, the only night to have three so far, showing that there are three killing roles, but we've only found two: the two scumteams.

On night 3, there were only two kills. Karma being SK makes sense because he was inactive during night three, and therefore he did not submit his kill.

On night 4, there was only one. Every anti-town faction would likely want to kill a power role, and they all chose CJMiller.

But the real problem is in SlySly's JOAT claim:

His night 1 target could be perfectly truthful, and makes a great start to the fake JOAT claim.

Night 2 is a very safe action claim. He says he targetted kunkstar7, who is still alive, but got redirected and got an innocent result on tubby216, who is dead and...innocent.

Night 3 is also safe: everyone knew karma was inactive.

Night 4, however, is the worst. SlySly said he targetted Asaclardy, but was redirected to CJMiller. If CJMiller was the only death, and q21 didn't jailkeep, then it is likely that both scumteams tried to kill CJMiller. This leads me to a few questions:

Why would a town redirector redirect SlySly, who was considered to be one of the most town people in the game?
If scum thought SlySly was a doctor, why would a scum redirector redirect him onto CJMiller, their likely target?
If scum thought SlySly was a vig, why would a scum redirector redirect him onto CJMiller, their likely target, and not another town-looking person?
And the biggest question of all, Why would a scum redirector redirect SlySly in the first place, when there are three claimed power roles, one of which being a jailkeeper who could possibly block their kill?

SlySly's claim does not make sense in the least. My vote is staying firm.
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Post Post #1842 (ISO) » Wed Aug 11, 2010 6:54 pm

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You've been on this site for nearly three years and never even heard of a JoaT? Don't make me laugh.

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Never have I seen or heard of a JoaT that doesn't know what he can do AND is unlimited for targets. Such a role would be bastardly and unbalanced in most setups.
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Post Post #1843 (ISO) » Wed Aug 11, 2010 6:55 pm

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Adrien tomorrow?
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Post Post #1844 (ISO) » Wed Aug 11, 2010 7:06 pm

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Your serial killer theory makes a lot of sense. I don't think we have a Vig, and I'd be extremely distrustful of anyone who claims it in the last couple days. If Sly doesn't flip SK, I can see it as a role scum will fake-claim.

I'm probably gonna get killed tonight, so here's who I think are scummiest to least scummy:

Richard
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Post Post #1845 (ISO) » Wed Aug 11, 2010 7:08 pm

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There's the hammer.
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Post Post #1846 (ISO) » Wed Aug 11, 2010 7:09 pm

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already trying to lead our next kill? thanks scum.
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Post Post #1847 (ISO) » Wed Aug 11, 2010 7:10 pm

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Post Post #1848 (ISO) » Wed Aug 11, 2010 8:54 pm

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JoaT with unkown abilities is a bastard role. I know that.
You are not a JoaT.
The only way something like that could have happened is that you had a vig shot and the other teams didnt shoot.
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Post Post #1849 (ISO) » Wed Aug 11, 2010 9:50 pm

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Sorry. Accidentally posted in relative's account again.
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