Mini #1004 - Popularity Mafia (Over)

[Tazaro]

I'm a bad player; it's as simple as that.
I think I'm voting for No Lynch, hmm who else could do so?

[LlamaFluff]

Vote Count

No Lynch (4) - NicolBolas, Tazaro, VasudeVa, vollkan
Tazaro (1) - Parama

Not Voting (3) - Twomz, Andrius, Xite91

With eight attending class it takes five to lynch, or no lynch.

[NicolBolas]

Taz- you may say that you're a bad player, but that excuses nothing. You still have to explain why you made your postion shifts.

[Tazaro]

Because I don't know who to vote for most of the time.

[vollkan]

Because I don't know who to vote for most of the time.

BS. You've been one the most certain players in times of finding a lot of people vote-worthily scummy. And not once have you made any indication that you are genuinely struggling to juggle a number of serious suspectes; instead you've just been jumping from one to the other on a seemingly ad hoc basis.

[Tazaro]

you've just been jumping from one to the other on a seemingly ad hoc basis.

That doesn't give you any indication that I don't know what I'm doing?

[NicolBolas]

If you Dont know what you're doing, why are you even playing, then?

[Tazaro]

It's too far in the game to rp=eplace :/

[vollkan]

you've just been jumping from one to the other on a seemingly ad hoc basis.

That doesn't give you any indication that I don't know what I'm doing?

It doesn't indicate that you don't know what you are doing. You are not playing like somebody who is uncertain. Not once have you shown the hesistancy that you would expect from an uncertain town player.

It's too far in the game to rp=eplace :/

I am going to give you an ultimatum.

Henceforth, every single vote you make has to be backed up by at least 30 words specifically on the player in question (none of this 'narrowing down' crap). If you can't vote that way, then you replace out - yes, it might take a while for somebody to come, but if you are scum we already have a good read on you and if you are town you aren't adding any value.

[Tazaro]

I'm dead weight to this game

@MOD: I request replacment

[NicolBolas]

Vollkan- i don't think that was nessecary, just to kick out a player because his play was not up to par. I think you should have let him stay, but encourage him to play better, not place ultmatums.

[VasudeVa]

Interesting. There's no way scum-vollk(or scum anyone for that matter) would ever want to pressure a scummy LyLo fodder mislynch like Taz to replace out. vollkan moves up from suspiciously-null(because of how he defends himself) to slightlyTown then.

[Twomz]

Ugh. I almost want to vote no lynch just to move the game on to the next day where we're at lylo cause no one's taking any action. But I'm going to

vote: Taz

I'm putting my money where my mouth is.

[vollkan]

Vollkan- i don't think that was nessecary, just to kick out a player because his play was not up to par. I think you should have let him stay, but encourage him to play better, not place ultmatums.

In terms of this game, it's a net positive for the reasons I gave in my previous post (ie. we have a solid read on scum-Taz, and it prevents town-Taz from doing a major stuff-up that gets him lynched).

More generally: I like ultimatums (ultimata?). They tell a player what is expected of them and then leave the ball in their court as to whether or not they remain or leave. If he needs somebody to guide him on how to play, there is an entire sub-forum of the site dedicated to that.

Ugh. I almost want to vote no lynch just to move the game on to the next day where we're at lylo cause no one's taking any action. But I'm going to vote: Taz I'm putting my money where my mouth is.

Ahem: "And I'll ask you the same line of questioning I asked Xite [and Parama]: "Explain to me why you think a no lynch would be less beneficial than my lynch. No matter how strongly you suspected [Tazaro], I can't see any reason why you wouldn't want to no lynch. Only scum benefit from us lynching today."

[vollkan]

EBWOP: That last question was addressed to Twomz

[Twomz]

[quote=vollkan]"And I'll ask you the same line of questioning I asked Xite [and Parama]: "Explain to me why you think a no lynch would be less beneficial than my lynch. No matter how strongly you suspected [Tazaro], I can't see any reason why you wouldn't want to no lynch. Only scum benefit from us lynching today."[/quote]

I can agree with the no lynch. It's a sound decision to make at this point in the game. But, if we just no lynch without pushing people or trying to figure out who is most likely to be scum anyway we'll just be in the same position tomorrow except we can't no lynch to get out of it and the scum will have that much easier of a time quick lynching a townie. I really think Taz is scum at this point and I'm willing to vote him to show that.

[NicolBolas]

Twomz- even if it puts him at l-3?

I want to add my vote on that, actually. If majority of the town agrees, then I'll vote to lynch tazaro.

[Twomz]

I believe Taz is scum so I don't see a scum quicklynch as a possibility. Besides... L-3?

[NicolBolas]

Parama is voting taz too.

[Parama]

Taz just cracked under pressure. Methinks scum.

[Parama]

*confused* Your refusal to read my 1139 suggests you are anti-meta, but you then vote Taz (in MYLO no less) after his stupid allegation that I would delibeately play badly in another game to influence my meta. The two aren't inconsistent per se, but it strikes me as odd because the main reason people tend to be anti-meta is because they are concerned about manipulation, the very thing you are atacking Tazaro for. So, other than prospect of manipulation, why are you dismissive of my meta?

BZZZT. Tazaro obviously had no clue what he was talking about in 1142. The post makes NO SENSE. He acts like he knows what Nicol is talking about and agrees with him in order to make a shoddy attack, but he really has no clue what he's accusing of.

P.S. Meta fails forever

[Xite91]

And I'll ask you the same line of questioning I asked Xite: "Explain to me why you think a no lynch would be less beneficial than my lynch. No matter how strongly you suspected [Tazaro], I can't see any reason why you wouldn't want to no lynch. Only scum benefit from us lynching today."

Vote: No Lynch

That's NL-1 people

Ok, I think I understand this, kind of. So, if I'm positive someone is scum, and I can get people to vote that person then and catch scum, it's better than waiting and people second-guessing their reads. I'm pretty sure I already said that though.

Interesting. There's no way scum-vollk(or scum anyone for that matter) would ever want to pressure a scummy LyLo fodder mislynch like Taz to replace out. vollkan moves up from suspiciously-null(because of how he defends himself) to slightlyTown then.

Unless they're both scum, and he's having him replace out so that scum don't lose this game due to a bad scum player.

[LlamaFluff]

Tazaro has requested replacement

[Andrius]

Ok. So lynching Tazaro:
1) He's careless scum.
2) He's dumb and lazy as hell VI_town, and we lose.

Not really liking the whole "we lose" idea. >_> But that's for lynching everyone, ain't it?

[NicolBolas]

Andrius, so what stance do you take? would you like to lynch Tazaro or not?