New York 115: Wickedestjr's Large Mafia (Game Over)

[DavidParker]

ugh. hi. i'm still here. It's not like there's been any discussion the past day or two, it's just been getting to agreements on who to lynch.

Anyways, since we need something to help town discussion I am suggesting a popcorn-style mass claim.

i am willing to go first and then decide who goes next and so on. With 5 left, I think it's a reasonable time for a mass claim to have as much information around as possible, but more importantly it will give us something to discuss.

As soon as a few people agree with this idea I will happily claim.

[Adrien C]

I've already claimed VT.

[DavidParker]

As far as I know/remember noone else has claimed.

Adrien, you seem pretty intent on not contributing....

Considering the attention is on myself/toon fighter at the moment, that rubs of as fairly scummy.

[DavidParker]

In fact, looking at your play from the last day or two, where you were actually active and a point of discussion, the fact you aren't contributing now, makes me think you are happy to let us dual it off as long as we are pushing for a lynch other than your own. You not committing to a vote yet but leaving it until later is blatant fence-sitting, you don't even make a solid stance (just say that toon fighter seems to be omgus'ing), as if to explain a later hammer if you have to go into LYLO tomorrow. This all comes off as scum.

Vote: Adrien

[Wickedestjr]

Votecount 78:

DavidParker - (1) - Toon Fighter
Adrien C - (1) - DavidParker
Not Voting - (3) - Adrien C, Asaclardy, Chevre

[DavidParker]

Woohoo for votecounts every 6 posts!

[Wickedestjr]

Votecount 79:

DavidParker - (1) - Toon Fighter
Adrien C - (1) - DavidParker
Not Voting - (3) - Adrien C, Asaclardy, Chevre

[DavidParker]

prod asaclardy?

[Adrien C]

Oh yeah...I'm not contributing now. There's no activity for me to work with!! There's people who aren't even posting and you're going to accuse me of not contributing.

Personally, I have my eye on Toon Figher and Asaclarady based on how scummy they've been acting in the past few phases. ISO analysis coming up.

[DavidParker]

Oh iso analysis after I accuse you of not contributing how convenient.. But wait, you just said there's nothing to work with.. Huh? How does that work.

The fact is you are posting. I suggest things like a mass claim or there's me voting for toon figher and him voting for me based on vezok's suspicions, but you don't comment on them. Asaclardy is missing so far, Chevre posted an updated wagon look and said he would post soon so is off the hook. But you posted and posted nothing when there was stuff you could have commented on. You didn't even make it seem like you planned on contributing. But now that you've had me get on your back you're willing to. Great.

Also, don't see what you plan on getting from iso's of people.

[Adrien C]

I said Toon's vote on you reeked of a OMGUS in disguise. Didn't I? I mean, do you not want me to do an ISO analysis?

[DavidParker]

It's up to you. If you think it will benefit the town: do it. If you think it will be a waste of time and not accomplish anything, then don't. I'll tell you that for me it won't make much difference.

Discussion Time!

Anyways, going under the assumption there is 3 blue and 3 red mafia, which seems reasonable right now. (unless there's 4 of each or something, in which case there is 3 scum alive, so I have a 3/4 chance of lynching scum anyways)

Asaclardy is probably town:

If I'm being too hasty, lemme know. Vote: RichardGHP

That is not a townie sentence right there. That's a scummy sentence trying to make sure you don't step on anyone's toes. "If I'm being to hasty?" Really? Townies don't ask permission, townies vote. He doesn't even have a major wagon on him.

unvote, vote: Asaclardy

This doesn't strike me as busing, but genuinely believe them to be of different alignments because of this.

Foilist goes on to push for Asaclardy's lynch quite heavily. Asaclardy is town.


At the same time, Foilist ignores Adrien/Toon Figher and Chevre. Adrien takes a lot of flak from numerous people so that is somewhat surprising, while Chevre hasn't been pressured by anyone but has a generally town read from everyone and a town vibe about him. Toon Fighter gets pressured by me mostly and a few other people occasionally too. So, this seems to strengthen cases on Toon and Adrien.



Now to Silverbullet...

-Adrien C

Why state a general theory and not investigate further into it?
Do you have any suspicions at all?

Possible Coaching?

Chevre you earn a few scumpoints for suspecting DP only because of his joking cop claim from his very first post (Which I am now again reverifying).

Keyword is only a few but yeah. (Also not saying DP can/can't be scum/cop/etc.)

Dunno what to make of this. But the fact there is some interaction between the two over a moot point makes me think Chevre is not scum with them. But really don't think it clears him.

@Toon
If someone threw a vote on Mitsu right now, would you hammer? Your statement confuses me... Why bother waiting for a vote if you are willing to hammer?

Interaction between these two, although this is a serious game related question and a useful one, it could be a scum interaction. I think similar to Chevre's quote a bit of a no-tell.


Conclusion:
Asaclardy is town.
I think Adrien is more likely scum than Toon Fighter.
Chevre is still neutral/no idea status but probably town because of it.

Oh and wagon analysis seems to be a useless pursuit at this point.

[DavidParker]

Oh, and, because I'm bored:

@Remaining Blue Mafia Member(s)

: I killed your scum buddy Silverbullet.

I'm a one-shot Vig.

[Adrien C]

Chevre has no pressure so must mean he is town? What kind of logic is that? Granted, I'm not exactly suspicious of Chevre, but that logic has got to be the worst I've heard. And I'm not so sure I believe your claim.

[DavidParker]

I was wondering how long it'd take you to start grasping at straws and jump onto Toon Fighter's wagon despite saying that you find both Asa and Toon Fighter as most likely scum. You've just confirmed my vote.

And stop twisting my words. When I say he's probably town because I'm neutral on him and don't have a solid read, it's not because of that alone. It's because there is you and Toon Fighter who are both VERY scummy. IE: Process of Elimination. If you/toon fighter/asa were all very towny, I would be saying Chevre is likely scum, but you aren't. It's only logical for me to give a townish read to someone who I don't have a solid read on if 2/3 of the other people in the game have a very scummy read. (This is all assuming we have only 1 scum left)

[Adrien C]

That wasn't intentional word twisting, that was me misunderstanding what you said.

[DavidParker]

I don't know if it's just me trying to strengthen my tunneling on Adrien or not.. (Pretty sure it's not since before analysis I was more convinced Toon was scum), but looking at the votecounts (Yes, it was useless, but I was bored), the one and only thing that stood out was the distancing in votes from Adrien/foilist.

They were only on the same wagon on day 2 and 6. Day 2 was the policy lynch on BM so they can easily get away being on the same wagon. Scum are more often on different wagons and not all on the same mislynch together.

Day 1 you can see the 3 red scum on different wagons. Sure you'd maybe expect another scum on the big wagon so that alone didn't convince me. But day 3/4/5 Adrien/foilist were ALWAYS on different wagons. To me this is distancing and them not wanting to put too many scum on a mislynch.

[DavidParker]

Anyways, that's the end of my contributions until someone other than Adrien actually posts.

[Chevre]

Something I remembered from Day 1:

Votecount 1:

Battle Mage - (5) - Kunkstar7, silverbullet999, Moospiker, cwf123, CJMiller
EGL - (4) - Sc00t, MehPlusRawr, Karma, danakillsu
Demonhybrid - (1) - RichardGHP
Moospiker - (1) - q21
silverbullet999 - (1) - Super Smash Bros. Fan
MehPlusRawr - (1) - Demonhybrid
CJMiller - (1) - Mitsuru Kirijo
Adrien C - (1) - Battle Mage
Sucrose - (1) - guy0
Sc00t - (1) - Asaclardy
Mitsuru Kirijo - (1) - EGL
Not Voting - (6) - BlazezRb, Vezokpiraka, Toon Fighter, caelum, Sucrose, Adrien C

With 24 alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

Note that people from both scumteams are on the Battle Mage wagon.

Then Adrien C said this:

I honestly believe there was some scum on that early RV wagon on Battle Mage.

But he refused to point out any. I find this EXTREMELY scummy. I would vote Adrien c, but we have not even heard from Asaclardy yet.

[Adrien C]

VOTE: Adrien C

Hammer me and get this over with then.

[Adrien C]

I'm done trying to defend myself. Apparently, nothing I say is changing anyone's minds. So go ahead and let the scum win.

[Toon Fighter]

Hey, don't get ahead of yourself! That AtE is fishy, and, to me, it seems like a gambit, since DP's pressure hasn't started that long ago, and you lost your patience pretty early. We still have time today, and we have to make the most out of it. Also, I think that the time for massclaim should be now. We already had DP claiming 1-shot vig and Adrien as VT. I am too a VT. Were there any other claims?

unvote

because of DP's claim, and am considering hammering Adrien C, but not before more opinions and at least 1-2 more days (real time days)

[DavidParker]

Considering I am a PR I was kind of expecting 4 VT claims... Was interested somewhat in Chevre though.

The AtE here is disgusting and incredibly anti-town. Hint: You have a win-condition.

[Wickedestjr]

Votecount 80:

Adrien C - (2) - DavidParker, Adrien C
Not Voting - (3) - Asaclardy, Chevre, Toon Fighter

[DavidParker]

Would still like a claim from Chevre/Asaclardy (Or a replacement for Asaclardy)