Mafia 119: MURDER AT HOTEL DEATH(GAME OVER)

[vollkan]

That's a subjective justification which is inherently incapale of refutation.

However, I can't see any reasonable basis for thinking that your personal vibe reaction to an emoticon would constitute "bleedingly obvious" evidence of Jack being town.

[Seraphim]

All at once, some voices become louder, more insistent...certain similarities in views become obvious. But it's still early in the day...early enough to consider and think carefully. Taking a man's life is no mean feat...

Vote Count

NicolBolas(0) -

Jack(3)

– NicolBolas, CooLDoG, PranaDevil
vezokpiraka(0) -
curiouskarmadog(0) -
Stef(0) -

horrordude0215(1)

- Stef

Espeonage(3)

– Jack, vollkan, DemonHybrid

vollkan(1)

- curiouskarmadog
CooLDoG(0) -

Nero Cain(1)

- Looker
zwetschenwasser(0) -
a2rudeboy(0) -

Pomegranate(1)

- a2rudeboy

Looker(2)

– zwetschenwasser, Espeonage
SnakePlissken(0) -

PranaDevil(2)

- Nero Cain, Pomegranate
DemonHybrid(0) -
totallynotmafia(0) -

Not Voting(4)

- vezokpiraka, horrordude0215, SnakePlissken, totallynotmafia

With 18 alive, it is 10 to lynch
Deadline: September 16, 2010, 12:00 pm, Central Time

[Espeonage]

Well that kind of reaction is kinda obv town. This isn't a newbie game peeps.

[vollkan]

Well that kind of reaction is kinda obv town.

You cast an unexplained vote and he resopnded with . How on earth is that obvtown?

[Jack]

Espeonage is making perfectt sense.

unvote, vote:Demonhybrid

[NicolBolas]

Jack- Why DH? And i dont see the sense you're alluding to from espeonage.

[horrordude0215]

Going through the thread, posting comments as I read it. (By the way, Wednesdays and Thursdays I have church, so I may not be as active as the rest of the week, but I should be okay!)

Jack Post 6 - Why would you assume there's a PR? Role-related or Scum gambit would be my guess...

Stef Post 13 - Yeah sorry about that... I pissed a lot of people off last time I was here

CKD Post 21 intrigues me... It'll be interesting to know what his claim is, because normally people don't do it unless it's miller or something of the sort.

Espeonage, go from voting CKD in post 27 to unvoting him in your next post (31) and not explaining it until two posts later (42) ... why not clarify yourself sooner? Not to mention, your explanation doesn't make sense with your actions.

Looker Post 36 - Why would you vote Nero Cain based off of his random vote when I don't think he had posted since then?

A2RB - Post 45 you go from voting yourself to voting for Pomegranite for "Not finding a humorous reason to RVS". You didn't comment on anything else in the thread. I'm guessing VI or Jester here.

Jack's post 54 makes me lol... He makes sense because he's calling you town? Huh? I still think it's a stretch to call the using of an emoticon "obvtown behavior". And why DH?

VOTE: Espeonage - Please comment on my questions about you. Until then, you get my vote

[vollkan]

Espeonage is making perfectt sense.

Seriously? Or just because it happens to be you that he thinks is obvtown?

[DemonHybrid]

@Mod: V/LA until Saturday night, sorry.

[Looker]

OK. Jack is town because he had the right reaction to my vote. That emoticon was the perfect response and the way I would expect any townie to act. CKD is town because scum don't do what he did unless they are going to claim miller. I have a feeling I know what his role is.

My vote went on Looker because that is the biggest non CKD wagon. Simple.

I won't pretend that you're making any sense. As far as what CKD did, if he's going to claim, he should claim. I don't see the purpose of a cliff-hanger.

And Jack's smiley is null.

Unvote, Vote: Espeonage

None of your votes have had reasoning. Why?

Espeonage is making perfectt sense.

unvote, vote:Demonhybrid

How so? And answer my question: Why are you looking for a post restriction?

Determining scum based on PR placement is outguessing the mod

What's your opinion of Jack's hunting for post restrictions?

Oh, I missed that there was a second page, but I don't feel like if affected my RV anyway.

Lazy. I think we should wait for CKD's claim before we lynch; what do you think?

vote: Prana

for not saying hi to me last game.

I think Jack has a post restriction. What do you think?

vote:pomegranate

for being too damn lazy to come up with a semi-humorous RV

UNVOTE: VOTE: a2rudeboy For bussing in his original post.

[Espeonage]

@ HD: It was for the purpose of seeing reactions either a scumbag trying to get opportunistic or a townie doing something along the vein of what actually happened.

[Looker]

It didn't occur to you that you were obvious and that we were still in the RVS?

We don't know if scum had night talk pre-game so I'm considering that little spat null.

[curiouskarmadog]

yeah, we should not lynch until my claim...that being said, my claim will have no bearing on today's lynch....my claim mostly revolves around "if I should die, then you need to know this"..I will claim it later in the "day". I am not being cryptic or anything, just that I feel this information (partial) needs to be out there just in case I die. Blah blah blah, it will make sense once I claim.

[SnakePlissken]

Vote Prana

For giving me those aforementioned mafia roles on the other site. Also he smells.

[SnakePlissken]

unvote

Came in late and didn't realise that RV had pretty much finished. I shoule Watch out more I guess.

[Espeonage]

unvote

Came in late and didn't realise that RV had pretty much finished. I shoule Watch out more I guess.

Dude, seriously?

[SnakePlissken]

Sorry, this is my first game outside of Newbie on here. I'm still trying to get it.

[Espeonage]

Welcome to the big leagues then. Comment on game thus far nao please.

[SnakePlissken]

Not much to say at the moment as it's too early for me to pick up reads on people, however I am curious about your comment :

Jack is town because he had the right reaction to my vote. That emoticon was the perfect response and the way I would expect any townie to act.

Are you serious? you can definetly confirm that Jack is town by a emoticon or were you taking the piss?

[CooLDoG]

@ HD: It was for the purpose of seeing reactions either a scumbag trying to get opportunistic or a townie doing something along the vein of what actually happened.

@esp: Is that really your response??? And now that I re-read I have never seen anybody be so wishy-washy on page 3! Would you mind try to answer better and answer to this.

Why did an emoticon ( ) make you have a very strong "obv town" vibe? Then later you said it is only a vibe, could you answer why your mind changed?
And secondly, why the vote changes?

@Jack did a little meta on you. Your play seems pretty consistent from what I saw.

unvote

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@esp, I feel a good bandwagon coming on. It would help the town if this could go far (not necessarily to a lynch though. However, if you continue to play like you do it might just do so).

vote esp

[CooLDoG]

Not much to say at the moment as it's too early for me to pick up reads on people, however I am curious about your comment :

Jack is town because he had the right reaction to my vote. That emoticon was the perfect response and the way I would expect any townie to act.

Are you serious? you can definetly confirm that Jack is town by a emoticon or were you taking the piss?

Sorry yours went through first, but I must ask you this:
Why is it too early to pick up reads? And when is it time to pick up reads?

[Espeonage]

Because is an unadultered uneasyness about a vote on a highly likely town. A scum player wouldn't make this play in normal circumstances. Add to that the time of the game. Scum really don't like taking risks this early usually and are thereofore unlikely to make any plays to put themselves out of neutral.

So all that amounts to scum wouldn't call my vote out like he did. Also since when is wishy washy a scumtell outside of near deadline?

[SnakePlissken]

Not much to say at the moment as it's too early for me to pick up reads on people, however I am curious about your comment :

Jack is town because he had the right reaction to my vote. That emoticon was the perfect response and the way I would expect any townie to act.

Are you serious? you can definetly confirm that Jack is town by a emoticon or were you taking the piss?

Sorry yours went through first, but I must ask you this:
Why is it too early to pick up reads? And when is it time to pick up reads?

Page 5? No I kid. Like I said I need time to read things a couple of times to get a feel of the way people post, you all in various pockets seem to know each other, I only know Prana and he has always been the Mod in the games I have played with him off-site so I don't really understand his posting style either. I dived in with a RV without paying attention that it was up to page 3. So I am going to go back and read a few more times. I picked up on your comment as it was on this page. Im not the kind of person to go diving in with proper votes I like to re-assess what I am saying and doing, as you guys take things real serious on here and I don't want to come over as a total dumbass in my first proper game.

[vollkan]

UNVOTE: VOTE: a2rudeboy For bussing in his original post.

He selfvoted. "Bussing" is where one mafia member attacks another mafia member for the purpose of gaining town cred.

Why is selfvoting scummy?

Because is an unadultered uneasyness about a vote on a highly likely town. A scum player wouldn't make this play in normal circumstances.

Assume Jack is scum. He sees CKD indicate that he has some non-vanilla role. He then sees somebody vote for CKD. Why the hell wouldn't Jack-scum then express uneasiness? At worst, it comes off as a nulltell for him, while at the same time he has the prospect of making people think "wow, he's protown"

(Btw, I think the emoticon is a nulltell)

Add to that the time of the game. Scum really don't like taking risks this early usually and are thereofore unlikely to make any plays to put themselves out of neutral.

So what? There's no risk involved in the action he took. Nobody half-sane is going to attack him for expressing discomfort over a stupid vote, but there is at least some prospect of him winning some town-cred.

[CooLDoG]

^^ good response up here. You satisfied my question. And yes we do take things very very serious.

@esp wish-washy is always a scum tell as well as being the third vote... (seems like you fit both doesn’t it?) I like my vote on you for now. What if you and Jack are scum buddies, I just thought I might throw out that possibility.