DH wrote:
This Jack/Espy fiasco: I felt like Jack was acting too scummy for his own good...a meta check with Jack shows that he likes early-game gambits, hence his talk on the post restriction. Reaction fishing. So I waited and thought about putting pressure on Prana, but I noticed that a LOT of people were starting to fall for his gambit (albeit not voting him quite yet)...so I decided to wait for the one person that actually agreed with Jack and found him town to take advantage of being the "smart guy who knows whats up and looks most town":
I've been consistently saying that I see nothing wrong in the way Jack's playing. The only obvious difference I can see between myself and Espy in this respect is that he called Jack "town" - which I disagree with; I see Jack's play as null. But that doesn't seem to be the crux of your Espy case here.
DH wrote:
My thoughts on Cooldog and a2 at this point: Somewhat townish...
Why?
PD wrote:
You say you can't see how his moronic voting is anti-town, but to that end then, how is it pro-town?
It's a legitimate information gathering tool (note: I have my own history of deliberately self-voting to provoke reactions). Jack's moronic is similar as voting stupidly is really only anti-town if the risk of it increasingly your own lynch outweighs the likely information gain.
FWIW, self-voting is probably more dangerous than moronic voting. Reason being that it tends to be newbies who think it is scummy (plenty of experienced people think it's a bad tactic, but not scummy) and newbies are also the type most likely to get tunnel-visioned. That's actually the reason I tend not to do it so much - because more often than not it just acts a way of distinguishing newbs from experienced players, which is useless gamewise, and getting newbs tunneling me, which is highly counterproductive
PD wrote:
I'd also note that he's basically voted everyone and taken to claiming every vote on him thereafter is an OMGUS vote. Why are you just farting about Jack? Are you not interested in lynching scum?
What he's doing is obviously a joke
I'm not saying I like the way he is playing, but it isn't scummy. (NB: I find Jack's playstyle exceptionally hard to read, so me saying it "isn't scummy" doesn't even mean I think it is null - just that I literally can't get an informed opinion easily.
PD wrote:
Regarding the claims, I'm not entirely sure I believe we have two pairs of joint vigs out there. That would be three kills a night, meaning in the span of two days we could be 8 town down and that's it, pretty much game over. If it turns out they ARE both pro-town, then you've basically told the scum where to begin their targetting (the second claim was even stupider because you could have flown well under the radar with that one).
This is a good point.
That many NKs would make this game insanely swingy
Jack wrote:
Pom is somewhat scummy
The above is
somewhat
extremely vague.
PD wrote:
Why do none of these claimed neighbors want to actually list their exact role name? Got something to hide?
Paired players who can communicate at night and have a shared kill. What could they
possibly
have to hide?
CKD wrote:
if you knew you would understand....my neighbor and I are vig-like..not vigs....I dont need to tell you if we are two shot, unlimited shot, etc...i dont need to tell you any other part of the mechanic, which is in the name...so no, it is not pro-town...so back the fuck off....if you think i am scummy for not telling you..vote me or move on.
I'm willing to accept this. If the role name gives away mechanics that could be anti-town, it shouldn't be claimed.
Looker wrote: UNVOTE: VOTE: curiouskarmadog
Do you propose we lynch you or totallynotmafia?
If claiming the role name would be anti-town, do you think he should claim it?
vezokpiraka wrote:LOL. neighbors with vig shots. Why the heck did you guys claimed?
If you are town you did very bad because the scum may no kill and get a nice little bunch of WIFOM.
This claim is like what scum means.
I believe they are scum running a gambit. Let's kill one of them and see what happens.
unvote vote CKD
1) Even if it was anti-town, that doesn't make it scummy
2) WTF does "This claim is like what scum means" mean?
3) You have absolutely NO evidence to support your "belief" that they are gambiting scum.
4) "Let's kill one of them and see what happens" Oh FFS
Vezok+2
Note: The only reason Vezok isn't getting more scumpoints is my meta of him. Ongoing game so I cannot give analysis but I can point you to the
game, where I have recently seen town-Vezok be lynched.