NY 118 - BBM's Large Normal Mafia (Game!)

[@.@]

Kise, you're being more than ridiculous. Calling someone as not just scum, but the GODFATHER is an unbelievable strange claim.

[Porochaz]

I'm talking out of my cock, actually. It's quite enormous, so you should expect some loud mouthing. My call on you as Godfather is all due to your playstyle. What kind of research are you asking for - ability related?

As in did you look up Wraith's playstyle at all before you decided that I was a specific role.

[xRECKONERx]

Alright, so there's no way I can catch up on this ENTIRE game today, I have too much planned.
But if someone can give me a range of pages to read where important/relevant shit happens, I can at least shoot some thoughts out before I go to the beach

[Gorrad]

@Gorrad: No, I'm including you and ConfidAd as the two I feel are possible mafia on Wraith's wagon. No one else voting Wraith is a scummer in my eyes.

I'm calling Porochaz as Godfather right now.

Oh! My mistake.

Wraith, I'm voting you because you have not only contributed next to nothing this entire game, but your attitude has actively served to detract from actions in the town's benefit IE scumhunting. If you were town, you would spend less times saying 'woe is me lynch me guys' and more time scumhunting. The one brief time you attempted to do so, the two isos a little while back, was not only not enough to make up for the considerable amount of detraction, it was also was quickly and neatly refuted by Xite.

[Xite91]

@Xite: You say you got good info from the reactions to your stunt. Can you detail how this good info is useful, using names and reasons?

I'm sorry this is taking so long, but I have to work in less than an hour and will hopefully have it all up soon T_T

Because that is called tunneling and a terrible thing for town to do. If he's town, what will you have to go on tomorrow? Hell, if he's scum, what will you have to go on tomorrow? Not much right? I was making a point that you should still be looking at other players, lest they slip under the radar.

What are you talking about? We can look at other players tomorrow just as easily as we could today. All you did was make us look elsewhere for a lynch before we actually had to. That certainly isn't going to do wonders for the town.

It could, considering now we know where some other suspicions lie, in case they're NK'd. Also, looking at who else people go after is a REALLY good idea for catching scum. Think man!

Lol. Here's the case against me: "Bakaw! Wraith is obvscum! Wraith is obvscum! Bakaw! Bakaw!"

Prove me wrong: How about everyone on my wagon state their reasons for voting me.

Will do more of that when I get that big post up (but this game is next in line, so that should be really soon)

Robbie, I still have to read your 1039, but I'm interested to see your points against him.

[Xite91]

wraith.

27 - pointing out you found other people's breadcrumbs who aren't even on the chopping block serves no purpose, especially since nobody noticed it, I never saw it and I still havn't found his breadcrumb.(but I suck at spotting breadcrumbs, in another game someone posted "spoonful of sugar" and it didn't even register to me that was supposed to be the doc breadcumbing)
post 35 - still waiting for you to take a chunk of time to go over Xite, I guess that was just a lie?

Robbie, while I do see where all of your points come from, why are they scumtells? I found one or two, but that's all.
27) I was breadcrumbing Vanilla Townie, in the same way dana breadcrumbed Cop, it was me trying to say how easy it was to do and the fact that he did AFTER he started getting attention, wraith picked up on it, but obviously thought it was a true breadcrumb
35) He did post a little about me, but it really amounted to herp derp Xite's town.

[Robbnva]

wraith.

27 - pointing out you found other people's breadcrumbs who aren't even on the chopping block serves no purpose, especially since nobody noticed it, I never saw it and I still havn't found his breadcrumb.(but I suck at spotting breadcrumbs, in another game someone posted "spoonful of sugar" and it didn't even register to me that was supposed to be the doc breadcumbing)
post 35 - still waiting for you to take a chunk of time to go over Xite, I guess that was just a lie?

Robbie, while I do see where all of your points come from, why are they scumtells? I found one or two, but that's all.
27) I was breadcrumbing Vanilla Townie, in the same way dana breadcrumbed Cop, it was me trying to say how easy it was to do and the fact that he did AFTER he started getting attention, wraith picked up on it, but obviously thought it was a true breadcrumb
35) He did post a little about me, but it really amounted to herp derp Xite's town.

some I think they are scum tells, some are just null. I use info I have seen in other games, the fact that he went overreacted to people still voting him, was sort of icing on the cake for me. overreactions in games where I play outside of here almost always turn out to be scum

[Xite91]

K guys, I got the day off of work tomorrow partially for this game (feel loved) I plan to be spending at least 2 hours on the post(s) I will be giving you which will probably include
1) A case on robbie
2) A case on wraith
3) An analysis on my gambit
4) A case on those I find scummy enough based on said analysis
5) A possible VC analysis if I deem that there's enough change in votes to do so (but probably not because we haven't gotten enough flips)
6) A TL;DR type scum/town/neutral list and maybe even the key points of everything
7) And maybe even a full reread analysis if I feel up to it

I'm telling you this for 2 reasons.
1) If you want to see anything else from me with this/these masspost(s), let me know and I will include them
2) If I leave anything out (I tend to forget things ) then let me know after my huge post(s)

[Gorrad]

K guys, I got the day off of work tomorrow partially for this game (feel loved) I plan to be spending at least 2 hours on the post(s) I will be giving you which will probably include
1) A case on robbie
2) A case on wraith
3) An analysis on my gambit
4) A case on those I find scummy enough based on said analysis
5) A possible VC analysis if I deem that there's enough change in votes to do so (but probably not because we haven't gotten enough flips)
6) A TL;DR type scum/town/neutral list and maybe even the key points of everything
7) And maybe even a full reread analysis if I feel up to it

I'm telling you this for 2 reasons.
1) If you want to see anything else from me with this/these masspost(s), let me know and I will include them
2) If I leave anything out (I tend to forget things ) then let me know after my huge post(s)

This preview has been approved for all audiences.

[Lowell]

From the first dozen or so pages, bunny and poro are scum, hiphop is town.

Detailed look is on my home computer. When I return to it I'll post.

[singersigner]

@flinter: I believe scum would fake a daykill. It's one of the oldest tricks in the book. But, here, Xite's explanation isn't as stupid as I expected it to be - saying he did it to get people listing suspects other than Wraith seemed rather useful. He's not obvtown for the gambit, but I haven't disliked his play ever since we were going at hiphop early on. Speaking of which..

I agree.

@Xite...I always look forward to your posts.

Kise, you're being more than ridiculous. Calling someone as not just scum, but the GODFATHER is an unbelievable strange claim.

QFT. I have yet to hear a logical explanation for this.

@Reck...if you can't catch up, and you haven't been able to post any content because of it, I'm not really sure what anyone in the game could point you in the direction of to get a good read on what's going on. I know the Mod asked you not to replace out of the game, but...

With that being said, I'm getting a town-vibe from Reck anyway, and not in spite of, but

because of

his perpetual V/LA status.

[Benmage]

Yes, it was it, sorry?
also, did you read the reasoning? And did it get a lot of discussion and much better scumhunting?

Not like we were in the rvs when this happened...We had plenty of discussion going. You derailed the wagon you were on and simply confused the game with clutter. Not a town move imo.

[Benmage]

Wicked, 3rd voter isn't early?

It's early, but the other two votes were very late, and I find you suspicious for being on every bandwagon.

Because I understand how this game works and recognize that I can't always lynch my #1 but can still be satisfied with a scummy wagon. Have I blatant wagon'd or voted anyone not scummy?

[Robbnva]

<------ is eagerly waiting for Xite's post, I need reading material for my afternoon restroom break

[Flameaxe]

Votecount 2.9

Wraith [8] (Gorrad, Mysterio, Hiphop, Benmage, Xite, ConfidAnon, danakillsu, Rob)

Mysterio [3] (Flinter, Singersigner, @.@)
Prozac [2] (Shanba, Kise)
Hiphop [1] (Prozac)
UltimaAvalon [1] (UltimaAvalon)
dana [1] (Reck)
Flinter [1] (Wickedestjr)
ConfidAnon [1] (Bunnylover)

Not Voting [3] (Lowell, My Milked Eek, Wraith)

With 21 alive it will take 11 for a lynch and 11 for a no lynch.

Deadline:

Not currently in place.

[Porochaz]

Hey BBM, I have 2 votes on me.

[Flameaxe]

Hey BBM, I have 2 votes on me.

Lies! (Fixed).

[Wickedestjr]

Townies read massposts almost every time, no matter how long they are.

This is not true. Have you ever met Mastin? Your posts aren't nearly as bad as Mastin's but they are still hard to read and some people will probably skip or skim them.

@Wicked about hiphop - Also, he never went anywhere with the wagons, so what info do we have from them?

Good point. I'm also anxious to see what hiphop has to say about the bandwagons.

Wicked: No, it was in response you your asking me to point out posts in which Mysterio attempts contribution.

You consider 4 contributive posts from somebody 17 days ago in addition to lurking to be more helpful than Wraith?

flinter, here are some questions I would like you to answer:

1. When you switched your vote from Mysterio to Singersigner day 1, was that because you found her more suspicious at that time?

I think this tactic to be very good at achieving mislynches on players that are less good at arguing and playing the game. I'd rather observe, and scumhunt.

2. Then why did you originally say that you didn't respond to Mysterio's defense because it didn't address your points?
3. Can you link me to a game where you were town and played like this?

wait, wicked, is it your problem that you don't see what I'm thinking? As my vote seems to switch in an unnatural way to you? In that case, a scumlist from me would help, right?

A scumlist would help.

Also, Im having problems in that I am able to edit my posts from page 39 onwards.

That's wierd. I can edit all of my posts.

To make it more game relevant, I think SS is so town that it hurts.

Explain.

one where he played similar to this and another one he didn't so saying he is ALWAYS suicidal townie isn't acurate

If he did it before as town, then why is doing it here suspicious?

Kise, you're being more than ridiculous. Calling someone as not just scum, but the GODFATHER is an unbelievable strange claim.

Not really. Sometimes mafia godfathers play differently than normal mafia goons, because they show up as innocent to investigations and therefore have less to worry about.

Have I blatant wagon'd or voted anyone not scummy?

The votes on dana, Furcolow, and Wraith all look like bandwagon votes. I think dana, Furcolow, and Wraith are all town.

I might not be able to provide any ISOs today, because I spent quite some time catching up in this game along with posting in my other game. Hopefully I get a chance tomorrow.

[Benmage]

Have I blatant wagon'd or voted anyone not scummy?

The votes on dana, Furcolow, and Wraith all look like bandwagon votes. I think dana, Furcolow, and Wraith are all town.

Really, you think Furcolow is town ...how you didn't find dana suspicious is beyond me.

[Benmage]

Let me ask you this wicked, is bandwagoning scummy?

[flinter]

1. When you switched your vote from Mysterio to Singersigner day 1, was that because you found her more suspicious at that time?

I think this tactic to be very good at achieving mislynches on players that are less good at arguing and playing the game. I'd rather observe, and scumhunt.

2. Then why did you originally say that you didn't respond to Mysterio's defense because it didn't address your points?
3. Can you link me to a game where you were town and played like this?

wait, wicked, is it your problem that you don't see what I'm thinking? As my vote seems to switch in an unnatural way to you? In that case, a scumlist from me would help, right?

A scumlist would help.

1. I think it was mostly that it caught my attention.
2. Because that is the truth? It didn't address my points. I didn't unvote. It addressed yours. You did unvote.

3 and the 4th are coming tomorrow, I promise

[Lowell]

Brief runthrough:

Page 1- confirms
Page 2- random votes
72- very odd backtrack regarding self-voting from dana [-]
82- weak unvote from singer followed by meaningless joke [-]
87-dana leads w/ 5 votes
118- dana votes furcolow
175- dana says his scumminess is normal, so he's not scum [?]
193- nhamen joins dana wagon
195- nhamen quickly switches to bunny [bad news for dana]
198- bunny explains his lack of voting as strategy [-]
201- hiphop just wants wagon, votes dana [+, ballsy, and good idea]
202- dana leads w/ 9 votes (13 to lynch)
203- nhamen returns to dana
213- porochaz reprimands non-opinion-havers [-, too narratory]
232- confid joins dana wagon
233- dana leads w/ 11 votes
268- dana claims

cop

, says he breadcrumbed [-, um, okay]
274- avalon doesn't believe cop claim [+], others do and unvote
284- strange exposition post from bunny [-]
285- xite points this out [+]
292- strange use of "If I didn't know any better..." from singer [-]
300s- momentum builds on furcolow wagon [he had it coming]
389- confid votes wraith [-, looks like he's ducking the wagon to win a friend]
414- ditto bunnylover [-]
516- wraith votes fur, worries about his legacy [-]
527- mysterio justifies fur lynch [+]
532- fur leads w/ 9 votes
553- fur loses his shit, votes xite
564- bunny votes fur [-, weird post]
598- david votes dana for bad breadcrumb [+, gutsy]
602- poro gets angry, FOSs david [-, overprotesting]
607- david claims

cop

637- bunny references "scum roleblocker" [-, how does he know these things?]
683- gorrad enters, votes fur (Lynch-1) [+]
692- reck hammers
698- fur

VT

, david

VT

and nhammen

mafia

dead
707- wraith leads w/ 3 votes
708- flinter votes bunny for timidness [+]
713- @.@ enters, votes bunny
745- gorrad votes wraith
757- wraith selfvotes
815- shanba votes poro [+, about time someone did]
819- wraith leads w/ 7 votes
930- ultima asks about xite's (fake) daykill [-, fishing like whoa]
965- wraith and mysterio lead w/ 5 votes
1010- xite justifies fake daykill
1064- wraith leads w/ 8 votes, no one else w/ more than 2

vote bunny

198 is overly defensive. In 414 he tries hard not to be stuck on the (errant) fur-wagon, then finally jumps on (564), but not without obvious reservations and guilt. In 637 he offhandedly mentions the "scum roleblocker" which is a strange thing to do unless you know something you shouldn't.

fos poro

All this guy does is narrate what is happening. 213 and 602, in particular, look like camp counseling and not scum-hunting. I don't like the way he's able to slide by while providing oddly-little original content (iso him for yourself if you doubt it)

fos singer

Maybe 292 is nothing, maybe it's something. But the wording is off-putting.

Some town players:

hiphop, wraith

(his reaction to fake daykill sways me),

flinter, gorrad

That was a lot of reading. I hope you people appreciate how hard I worked.

[Xite91]

Yes, it was it, sorry?
also, did you read the reasoning? And did it get a lot of discussion and much better scumhunting?

Not like we were in the rvs when this happened...We had plenty of discussion going. You derailed the wagon you were on and simply confused the game with clutter. Not a town move imo.

No... no it didn't. Not arguing this one again, people like you (OHMAIGODZWUTABADMUV) are the one's cluttering the thread because you won't leave it along. Working on huge post.... and it's seriously is that (Ginormous)

[Bunnylover]

Meow.
@Lowell
637- bunny references "scum roleblocker" [-, how does he know these things?]
This is a large normal game, right? Are you seriously saying you don't expect a roleblocker in this game? I have yet to play one game that has not had a roleblocker.
198- bunny explains his lack of voting as strategy [-]
Wasn't stating anything as a strategy. I simple said I don't vote unless I'm sure about someone been scum, or someone has made a very good case against someone in my eyes. Its not strategy, its just me. Play style I guess.
414- ditto bunnylover [-]
I gave my reason for voting him, he was been an idiot with his defense and using ultimatums such as Townies are going to lose because of a D1 lynch.

I don't like the case you have made against me. I am a defensive player, if someone votes against me you will see my question them, even if its one vote. When I switched my vote to Fur I stated my reason, don't see any guilt your talking about. As for the roleblocker, that is a common scum role and a townie role, so I wouldn't see why not to mention it. Should I have waited till Dana got blocked to mention OH HEY GUYS THEIR MIGHT BE A ROLEBLOCKER?

[Gorrad]

Wicked: I only READ his first few posts. I didn't go through all what, 17? The first few were contributions, and you said you wanted me to point out an example. There's an example. And yes, I think four posts of contribution are worth more than Wraith's many posts of detraction.