Mini 1046 - Murder in the Desert (Game Over!)

[Nicodemus]

Vote Count 2.09

xvart

(4): charter, DemonHybrid, Socrates, Lowell

charter

(2): Xine, WeaponsofMassConstruction

Slaxx

(1): xvart

Socrates

(1): Parama

Not Voting:

boberz, Slaxx

xvart is at L-2

6

to lynch.

Deadline for D2 can be found here

[Socrates]

Boo. As promised:

unvote, vote:xvart

PREVIEW EDIT: I think this is L-1?

Ohai there you have a reason to be doing this?

Sure. The case Slaxx put forward on Xvart was a good one and the avoidance tell is one that resonates with me personally. As I had previously indicated, if support for the WOMC wagon had died down I would be wasting my time sitting on it and I considered a Xvart vote to be an acceptable alternative lynch to WOMC.

Screw it, shower to think --->

unvote vote Socrates

Prob the way to go for today.

Any reason other than the Xvart vote?

Slaxx's attitude about the Xvart wagon is hard to parse, and I think it would ultimately be a fruitless endeavor. If he is scum and truely believes that a xvart lynch would make his death inevitable, then derailing the xvart wagon is really the most reasonable long term strategy for him, but if he is town and his scum read of xvart truly is waning, then it would be hard for him to do anything else in good faith and he is caught between a rock and a hard place. I am going to stick with my previous read of him and say he is town.

As far as how I feel about the Xvart lynch right now, I don't think his responses to the wagon building on him sufficiently justifies the way this wagon is falling apart.

Partial gut, partially because I can't put a scum motivation (especially with Soc) into your last couple posts. I don't know why as scum you would be trying this hard to frame me. I mean if you're scum all this effort you put into the lynch was wasted, because I had/have hammer for a short period of time, I think. There was nothing else for you to do as scum except keep your mouth shut, because the more you talk the more it would clear me and incriminate whoever is left. Plus when you pointed out the thing with me directing the track I think thats way more likely to come from town.

The response to this is simple. Xvart is the third person TODAY to have been put at L-1, so why would scumXvart feel that his death would be inevitable? Furthermore, if he WAS to talk his way out of being lynched, the most viable way to do so is to spin a wagon off onto another player, i.e. you.

The fact of the matter is, if Xvart was scum, I can't see him acting in any way other than the way he is right now, other than explicitly giving up, which, as I said, he would have no reason to do.

[Slaxx]

Soc, if xvart is scum, who do you think 3rd mafierz is?

[Socrates]

Soc, if xvart is scum, who do you think 3rd mafierz is?

I personally don't get why the WOMC wagon died the way it did and would like to see a bullet put through his skull. (Admittedly I didn't read his last wall post and probably should.)

If I am wrong about WOMC, I would probably need to review my reasons for abandoning the Xine wagon and Xine herself, and there are also a couple of other players that I keep forgetting are in the game (Boberz, lowell) that I should probably really take a look at one of these days.

[charter]

Yeah, once Xvart flips scum, I think it has to be Weapons.

I don't know if anyone but me noticed, but Weapons's "case" against me actually has zero points that indicate me being scum and contains a lot of quotes of mine that he has added his own two cents to make my statement look bad. There was no explaining why any of the things he quoted would come from scum, which as I'm sure you by now have guessed, is because I am not scum.

[xvart]

Xvart, lets play a game. If we did lynch me today, and when I flipped town (cuz I am), who would be your new set of FoSs?

I'm not willing to hypothesize on something I doubt to be true; especially if it will give you more information on who to kill tonight.

We had 17 days today...How many have gone by...8? I can't vote myself out of pure dignity and possible game rules, but I really don't mind being lynched because I know this is going to come back to haunt me.

Wow. How very town of you to offer yourself as a sacrifice for the town's benefit when you have how many votes? Wait for it.... ONE vote.

Slaxx, if you know you're town, what the hell can come out of you wanting to lynch yourself?

Exactly.

#501, I claim. What would you all do in my situation?

Were you at L-1?

I missed this before dinner, so I retract my wtf. I get the reason for suspicion after this point, though I am not quite with it. xvart, why did you post the night kill speculation?

Because I was going to go back and look at the pro town people and who they were most suspicious of and see if they had a thread in common. Off the top of my head based on the top three scum reads everyone posted the day before I believe there to be a common denominator of either boberz and/or Slaxx (hence the vote on boberz). I never went back to do this because I was dropped with Slaxx's tracking comment which made me go back and look at him more closely.

Well, if xvart is town which I keep feeling more and more, then his lynch would be the death of me, if not tomorrow, surely the next day.

Why surely the next day? If you are so sure that you will be lynched when I flip town and you manage to not be lynched tomorrow, why would you be lynched the following day? Or are you just playing the martyr role up as much as possible?

Slaxx's attitude about the Xvart wagon is hard to parse, and I think it would ultimately be a fruitless endeavor. If he is scum and truely believes that a xvart lynch would make his death inevitable, then derailing the xvart wagon is really the most reasonable long term strategy for him, but if he is town and his scum read of xvart truly is waning, then it would be hard for him to do anything else in good faith and he is caught between a rock and a hard place. I am going to stick with my previous read of him and say he is town.

Then why hasn't he picked a side? Why am I scum one minute and possible town the next. The way I'm reading his posts is he got off my wagon when pressure built on him and softly calling me possible town while still also pointing out my scumminess as someone else takes his place on the wagon.

The response to this is simple. Xvart is the third person TODAY to have been put at L-1, so why would scumXvart feel that his death would be inevitable? Furthermore, if he WAS to talk his way out of being lynched, the most viable way to do so is to spin a wagon off onto another player, i.e. you.

I thought my death was inevitable because I am a vanilla townie and if common D1 practice is to lynch VTs regardless has any bearing on D2 play why would I not be lynched? I didn't talk about the flipped scum D1 and that appears to be pretty damning evidence in this game. My whole startup against Slaxx was an attempt to get the town to think about him when I flipped town. Not being lynched was just a bonus. I also think you're overstating the wagon I've built on someone else since there is no wagon other than me and people aren't bailing on my wagon to come to Slaxx.

Slaxx - why aren't you voting for Socrates now?

xvart.

[Slaxx]

Xvart, play my game. Please

No, I'm not playing the martyr role up. And I already explained why I am doing this. I'm not asking people to pray to me after I die, I'm not doing it for town cred. I'm just doing it for town. If you haven't read my reasoning, go back and do so.

I'm not voting today. We're lynching me /

[Slaxx]

Like I said earlier, I have a reason for the seemingly stupid shit I do. And I have a reason for this.

[charter]

Your reasoning is wrong because Xvart is scum.

[Slaxx]

I want xvart to play my game D:

[Lowell]

So, xvart somehow has fewer votes than last time I checked. huh.

[Slaxx]

WOMC/Lowell/Boberz/Xine

Care to take a stance on the Xvart that involves more than a yes or no?
Care to out some FoSs/Towntells?

[DemonHybrid]

Lowell, you haven't made one attempt to scumhunt all game. Just throwing votes around and giving little side notes. I'm not liking this.

[Parama]

DH, Lowell is town. Leave him be, he just plays different from what you're used to.

[Slaxx]

Parama, opinion on DH, GO

[Parama]

null

/post

I don't care about DH right now.

[Slaxx]

[DemonHybrid]

Parama, opinion on DH, GO

What about you? What's your opinion on me?

[Slaxx]

When I have time to ISO you I will. But your play was really townie up until your last few posts.

[charter]

Yeah, Lowell looks pretty town to me. Parama and Slaxx, you both are town and know what's up with this game. Vote for Xvart, what are you waiting for?

[Slaxx]

Charter I am not voting xvart. I want him to play my game.

DH, why you so concerned anyway bro? Thought we were buddies.

[charter]

Your game is dumb. What isn't dumb is lynching scum.

[DemonHybrid]

DH, why you so

curious

anyway bro?

Fixed.

[Slaxx]

My game isn't dumb its important. Why are you asking me to lynch a read I am unsure of?

DH, we're still friends right?

[WeaponsofMassConstruction]

Let's see some walls. DH, you're up.