First off I'd like to start with this:
Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:
I form my gut reads through reading ISOs
(I ISOed each player at the start of the day.)
and they tend to be based on the totality of a person's posting. I wouldn't be surprised if there were specific elements that triggered, but in that case I didn't manage to isolate them.
I'd be very much interested in seeing these, and I'd like to know your thoughts on each player based on them. Unless, of course you want to be caught in a lie...
...now unto this supposed contradiction.
zipperflesh wrote:I came back later once the Jesse/Sevei discussion was underway and voted Sevei based on his response to Jesse, in fact I was the first to vote him.
Good thing you pointed that out, because this is what you said earlier:
zipperflesh wrote:...for some reason (perhaps you are scum?) I can't get a wagon started on you, so when the Sevei wagon started I hopped over since I was just as suspicous of him.
You've just given two contradictory explanations of the same event.
Unvote, vote: zipperflesh
The first quote comes from
#224, which was a response to #223. What I say there is correct, but I did use the wrong words. This was a result of me not fact checking, because when I replied Sevei already had some votes. I wasn't concerned about voting order, and what I should have said there was Jesse/Sevei discussion. It seems you believed Jesse had been the first to vote as well, since in
#234 you said,
"I get the feeling that you switched to Sevei because Jesse was already pushing the Seveiwagon for you."
When I answered that, I did go back, and I fact checked. This was where I saw that I had in fact placed the first vote, which as you can see I hadn't realized myself. In all honesty, I thought I had voted after Jesse, but the truth of the matter is that while Jesse was "pushing a Sevei-wagon" with their discussion he was doing so without a vote.
So, I made a poor wording choice and a mistake due to posting based on my memory of events rather than what actually happened. Mistakes happen, and that doesn't make me scum. What CES has failed (and still refuses) to do is show reasons (prior this discussion) that make me scum. Why has he done this? I suspect it is because he is scum. Is it unreasonable for me to ask CES why he found me scummy, and is it unreasonable to expect a valid answer from him?
I was going to respond to the rest of your post, but screw it. Die, scum, die.
This just shows how callous you are. If you are town, you are doing a poor job of it. You refuse to acknowledge my points because you know they prove you wrong. For some reason you are reluctant to admit you have nothing to hold against me. For you're convenience, I'll repost the specifics:
zipperflesh wrote:
You are guilty of "baseless attacks" because you continually say people are scum without showing a shred of evidence. Need I remind you this is the same tactic Furcolow attempted to use which resulted in his lynch. If you think people are scummy then you need to put you money where your mouth is, otherwise you're mudslinging.
CES wrote:
Then what is the "vague gut suspicion comment" about? What purpose does it serve? I do have more on you, but you're obviously not going to agree with me.
I've already explained what my gut feeling is based on --> Your baseless attacks, and the way you hopped wagons on Day 1.
If you've got more on me then POST IT! I can't very well properly defend myself from a guy calling me scum for no reason, but perhaps when you provide your evidence (I'm doubting you have any...) I'll be able to defend myself.
CES wrote:
You'd have to be a fairly crappy player for me to be able to "prove" that you're scum by page with any regularity. That's not how mafia works. Also, calling people scum in a game of mafia is just part of game and not slander.
Are you saying that mafia isn't a game about collecting evidence on a player to convince the town to lynch that person? I don't think so, where I come from we have to prove our accusations or be held accountable.
Calling people scum without providing a reason is slander, not a part of the game. Proving someone is scum via a presentation of the facts is a part of the game and how you play mafia. Otherwise you're playing Witchhunt
TM or GuessTheBadGuy
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