Mini 1061: Mafia in Someplace - Game Over!

[Retrospective]

Also, my wagon had most heat at that point in time. What would you have all thought of Ell if I had been lynched and I flipped town?

So you're saying that Elleran didn't vote you because we would be more suspicious of him later IF you flipped town, so instead he allowed himself to be lynched day one? Is that seriously your argument?

[Retrospective]

Also, my wagon had most heat at that point in time. What would you have all thought of Ell if I had been lynched and I flipped town?

So you're saying that Elleran didn't vote you because we would be more suspicious of him later IF you flipped town, so instead he allowed himself to be lynched day one? Is that seriously your argument?

[Retrospective]

Why did that post twice? :O

[Slaxx]

Idk but I see what he is saying now.

And its wrong.

No one else vote simo though, I think he is at L-2 or L-1.

[el simo]

Also, my wagon had most heat at that point in time. What would you have all thought of Ell if I had been lynched and I flipped town?

So you're saying that Elleran didn't vote you because we would be more suspicious of him later IF you flipped town, so instead he allowed himself to be lynched day one? Is that seriously your argument?

What, no? Where did you get that from? Would you have been more suspicious of Ell had I been lynched and flipped town?

[Slaxx]

Yes.

Now defend thineself.

[el simo]

From what? You are accusing me for something Ell did.

[Retrospective]

@el simo; You are saying that Elleran didn't vote you with everyone because he would've been under more suspicion if you flipped town. Well you know what? He would've been ALIVE. We wouldn't have our second misslynch. No scum would pick their own death over looking slightly more scummy. There were two things that were going to happen. Either your lynch, or Elleran's. We now know Elleran was scum. Your arguement is "He would've been more scummy." You doesn't matter if you're scummy when you're DEAD. This line of defense is terrible.

[Slaxx]

He's right. Why would he not have hopped on your wagon? Its not like he thought you were town (because he knew your alignment).

I realize you can't defend yourself from that, so why don't you give two FoSs and legitimate reasons why you FoS those people? I am waiting on Sweep's too.

[Retrospective]

We really need a VC because I want to put my vote on simo.

[Slaxx]

His FoSs will be Smit and Jase, but thats alright because I love a good comedy.

[Slaxx]

Sweep's will be Retro and Smit.

[el simo]

That's NOT what I'm saying. I would've thought having a townie defend Ell to his own death would've given him points for townie. I don't see why me being town makes him scummier. Regardless, the point doesn't matter if you think me flipping town makes him look scummier.

[el simo]

He's right. Why would he not have hopped on your wagon? Its not like he thought you were town (because he knew your alignment).

I realize you can't defend yourself from that, so why don't you give two FoSs and legitimate reasons why you FoS those people? I am waiting on Sweep's too.

I've already done this.

[Slaxx]

I see you and Jase going back and forth and you sheeping the Smit wagon.

[el simo]

Yup because everyone else on the Smit wagon all voted for their absolute own reasons and wasn't agreeing with diddin.

[Retrospective]

That's NOT what I'm saying. I would've thought having a townie defend Ell to his own death would've given him points for townie. I don't see why me being town makes him scummier. Regardless, the point doesn't matter if you think me flipping town makes him look scummier.

For the sake of argument, let's say you're town. (You're not, but that's beside the point.) Elleran would not have cared if you were lynched. Lynching town is good for mafia. He would've jumped on your lynch. Instead he UNVOTED and sat back and watched the votes pile up. Elleran had no reason not to follow along.

So why didn't Elleran follow? Why did Elleran pick his own death over his own personal survival coupled with as you say town's lynching? Mafia is concerned with survival so obviously your survival meant more to his win condition than his did.

You know, screw it. I'm confident enough, if this hammers you so beat it.

Vote: el simo

[Slaxx]

Well, see, the thing is, El Simo.

A) That was deflection
B) You just argued about the speed of your own wagon as a defense but you were more than happy to hop on the Smit wagon.

[el simo]

Are you dumb? Not even giving me a chance to claim? Placing what may have been the hammer vote based on the actions of another player? You constantly spouting WIFOM that he was trying to get me to survive, well here is some WIFOM for you, how do you know he didn't make those comments about me to try and set up a mislynch after his death? EVERYTHING you have said about me today has been completely subjective and has been complete WIFOM. At least from all this, Retro, when I'm dead and gone you will realize why WIFOM is such a anti town thing, because it's just sent you all on a wild goose chase. If you are town Retro, I seriously suggest you /in for some newbie games. If you are scum, well done at playing dumb, you've got the rest of the town fooled.

I'm at L-1 btw. And I am VT.

[el simo]

Well, see, the thing is, El Simo.

A) That was deflection

No it is inconsistent logic on your part.

B) You just argued about the speed of your own wagon as a defense but you were more than happy to hop on the Smit wagon.

My wagon was a lot quicker and went further.

[Slaxx]

No, its not.

And no, it didnt. Both went to L-1. And both did so in about half a day.

[Retrospective]

Not buying it. I say someone hammers.

[Slaxx]

Not yet. Sweep outs his FoSs first.

NO ONE HAMMERS UNTIL SWEEP OUTS HIS FOSs.

[el simo]

Oh how convenient Retro doesn't buy the other side of his WIFOM argument.

[Slaxx]

unvote

Just to make sure no one hammers before I extract the info I need from sweep.