NY 118 - BBM's Large Normal Mafia (Game!)

[Shanba]

Ok, my donotlynchtoday list has expanded. Antihero and evilpacman are not going to be lynched by me. Of the people I said I was going to check over, the last one to do is singersigner. I also haven't yet double checked on MME.

Wraith: what about that votecount makes prozac scummy?

[Porochaz]

From the votecount alone I'm fairly certain Prozac is scum.

Pre-emptive OMGUS.

[Wraith]

@Shanba: It relates to his play throughout the game. Earlier on he was saying "Wraith has run this gambit before as town" but now he's saying "Wraith is scum he uses this as a fallback."

[Wraith]

Let's take a look at these two posts. The first is from Day 3, the second from Day 4:

why is everyone ignoring the fact that I said Lawyer OR Framer? is it just because it's convenient?

So wait a sec, ignoring the fact that your a cop thats now survived two days in a row, ignoring the fact that you are not playing like a cop at all, such as asking for guidance in who to investigate, which is clearly a flawed plan, ignoring even the fact that instead of investigating any players worthy of an investigation you chose xite, you think there is a mafia framer or lawyer in this game? Seriously? It's not like this game is being played in the New York sub forum, or it doesn't have "Normal" in the title. Your speaking out your ass and have been for a while. Lets bring all the stuff back in that I ignored before. It was already mentioned but you didn't vote Wraith because of the possibility of either a. A fairly rare almost bastard moddish role (reminder: in a normal game) or b. A role I've never even heard of before... As a cop you have motives to be beneficial to town and know when to show information, this comes to an extent with practice but even a newbie in there first game doesn't play the way you have (unless your frank... probably) unless you are trying to show your "towniness" by giving town complete control, which then becomes useless for town. But thinking about it for a couple of minutes most would realise this.

In any case, I know, Shanba, that Im about to vote another day 1 claimed cop, however there are too many inconsistencies here.

vote dana

L-1. Dana, anything left to say for yourself.
Please don't hammer until he speaks.

I wont be voting yet. However if you dont want someone to hammer, dont vote!

So, despite being sold on the case against dana Day 3, he doesn't hammer on Day 4? Strange...

[Porochaz]

Well, Im glad your quoting this post.

The dana wagon was a good one. However classic scumtell alert "HEY EVERYONE LOOK AT ME PUTTING SOMEONE AT L-1 ONE"/"HEY LOOK EVERYONE HE IS AT L-1 NOW!" "IM NOT GOING TO UNVOTE HIM MYSELF JUST IN CASE, IM JUST GOING TO TELL EVERYONE ELSE NOT TO VOTE, BECAUSE IM SO TOWNIE LULZ". You see what Im getting at? Someone hammers then you can be a ll like

I told you not to vote

and try and look all townie. When in the end the onus was on you because you didn't unvote in the first place.

Also you said "let him speak" I was giving him that chance. Argument = void. I think so.

As for the other post, lets say you are in a small locked room with a very hungry crocodile. You have a stick which you may hit him across the head with. You hit him once, he ignores you. So you think "this is fun, I'll do it again" well inevitably the hungry croc will stop ignoring you and eventually eat you. Its the same thing here. You did it in an ongoing involving both of us, and its the second time you have done it here, and I have no doubt you have done it in other games as well. There has to be a point where you think, "huh, this seems to have people second guessing about me. Maybe I could use this as scum". I admit I have seen you do this as town as some fucked up idea that its in the their best interests. Your readiness to flip onto that idea is whats now making it suspicious. You do it too often.

[Antihero]

VOTE: Wraith

Why?

But for sake of not evading your question, I'll say that Wraith has been under scrutiny almost since the beginning. It's time to see who was right.

Notice how singer doesn't say anything about how she thinks Wraith is scum.

Would you like to start fumbling around for reasons for this crappy vote, like you did with Xite yesterday?

Well, Im glad your quoting this post.

The dana wagon was a good one. However classic scumtell alert "HEY EVERYONE LOOK AT ME PUTTING SOMEONE AT L-1 ONE"/"HEY LOOK EVERYONE HE IS AT L-1 NOW!" "IM NOT GOING TO UNVOTE HIM MYSELF JUST IN CASE, IM JUST GOING TO TELL EVERYONE ELSE NOT TO VOTE, BECAUSE IM SO TOWNIE LULZ". You see what Im getting at? Someone hammers then you can be a ll like

I told you not to vote

and try and look all townie. When in the end the onus was on you because you didn't unvote in the first place.

Also you said "let him speak" I was giving him that chance. Argument = void. I think so.

As for the other post, lets say you are in a small locked room with a very hungry crocodile. You have a stick which you may hit him across the head with. You hit him once, he ignores you. So you think "this is fun, I'll do it again" well inevitably the hungry croc will stop ignoring you and eventually eat you. Its the same thing here. You did it in an ongoing involving both of us, and its the second time you have done it here, and I have no doubt you have done it in other games as well. There has to be a point where you think, "huh, this seems to have people second guessing about me. Maybe I could use this as scum". I admit I have seen you do this as town as some fucked up idea that its in the their best interests. Your readiness to flip onto that idea is whats now making it suspicious. You do it too often.

... may I please have the summarized version of this post? I don't know what point you're trying to make here.

[Antihero]

VOTE: Wraith

Why?

Not asking Poro the same thing? Hmm...

"Why me and not Poro.....?"

Classic scum reaction

[Porochaz]

Well, Im glad your quoting this post.

The dana wagon was a good one. However classic scumtell alert "HEY EVERYONE LOOK AT ME PUTTING SOMEONE AT L-1 ONE"/"HEY LOOK EVERYONE HE IS AT L-1 NOW!" "IM NOT GOING TO UNVOTE HIM MYSELF JUST IN CASE, IM JUST GOING TO TELL EVERYONE ELSE NOT TO VOTE, BECAUSE IM SO TOWNIE LULZ". You see what Im getting at?

Someone hammers then you can be all like

I told you not to vote

and try and look all townie. When in the end the onus was on you because you didn't unvote in the first place.

Also you said "let him speak" I was giving him that chance. Argument = void.

I think so.

As for the other post, lets say you are in a small locked room with a very hungry crocodile. You have a stick which you may hit him across the head with. You hit him once, he ignores you. So you think "this is fun, I'll do it again" well inevitably the hungry croc will stop ignoring you and eventually eat you. Its the same thing here.

You did it in an ongoing involving both of us, and its the second time you have done it here, and I have no doubt you have done it in other games as well. There has to be a point where you think, "huh, this seems to have people second guessing about me. Maybe I could use this as scum". I admit I have seen you do this as town as some fucked up idea that its in the their best interests. Your readiness to flip onto that idea is whats now making it suspicious. You do it too often.

[Porochaz]

I bolded the important bits.

[Porochaz]

Also to prove it my game just ended, http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 5&start=50

[singersigner]

VOTE: Wraith

Why?

Not asking Poro the same thing? Hmm...

"Why me and not Poro.....?"

Classic scum reaction

Classic scum reaction IF I didn't actually respond to his question. Or are you not paying attention to something you JUST quoted?

You're also twisting my words. The connotation is not the same, and it's funny that either 1. you think it is, or 2. you're purposefully doing that to make me look bad to anyone who isn't smart enough to realize what you're doing. You choose. I don't mind.

You're gunna have to try harder than that if you want to really accuse me of anything scummy. My case may not have been the strongest...but what are you building

your

case off of? The fact that my

one

case was weak? That's not scummy; that just means that my initial gut was wrong.

[Antihero]

Classic scum reaction IF I didn't actually respond to his question.

Ummm, no. This isn't true. But that's a matter of my personal opinion.

You're also twisting my words.

orly?

The connotation is not the same, and it's funny that either 1. you think it is, or 2. you're purposefully doing that to make me look bad to anyone who isn't smart enough to realize what you're doing. You choose. I don't mind.

What did I say about self-victimization being scummy? And why are you debating this isolated point and not addressing the larger issue of your crappy wraith vote?

You're gunna have to try harder than that if you want to really accuse me of anything scummy.

All I had to do was read the thread. It really wasn't that hard.

My case may not have been the strongest...but what are you building

your

case off of? The fact that my

one

case was weak? That's not scummy; that just means that my initial gut was wrong.

Not only weak, but

very

hypocritical.

[evilpacman18]

VOTE: DemonHybrid
Why would singer have Xite killed right after pushing a lynch on him and why do you think that scumsinger had Xite and not Gorrad killed? Especially since the Xite wagon was the biggest for a while yesterday so he'd be likely to get lynched soon.

You act as if you know who killed who.

I think Prozac's isn't the only post you need broken down. I'm saying that YOU act as if you know who killed who. You placed the Xite kill under singer without giving a reason and my above post says why, if singer IS scum, she probably WOULDN'T have Xite killed. I don't believe singer is scum so I don't even have guesses for which kill was which but I'm saying if singer is scum, I'd guess the Gorrad kill was the scum kill.

[DemonHybrid]

I never said anything about someone killing someone. Holy poisoned wine, Batman!

[evilpacman18]

I never said anything about someone killing someone. Holy poisoned wine, Batman!

Oh wait so you're voting singer just because she had an incorrect read on Xite?

[Antihero]

I never said anything about someone killing someone. Holy poisoned wine, Batman!

Oh wait so you're voting singer just because she had an incorrect read on Xite?

I know this was directed at DH and I don't know about DH's reasons, but I have to say that this certainly isn't the reason for my vote. If anyone wants to know the reason for my vote, I first invite you to go back and look at singer's reasoning for the Xite vote yesterday. This is a good place to start.

[evilpacman18]

I never said anything about someone killing someone. Holy poisoned wine, Batman!

Oh wait so you're voting singer just because she had an incorrect read on Xite?

I know this was directed at DH and I don't know about DH's reasons, but I have to say that this certainly isn't the reason for my vote. If anyone wants to know the reason for my vote, I first invite you to go back and look at singer's reasoning for the Xite vote yesterday. This is a good place to start.

I don't have any scumread on you at all but isn't an unnecessary defense the exact same way Dana's D1 started?

[Antihero]

I never said anything about someone killing someone. Holy poisoned wine, Batman!

Oh wait so you're voting singer just because she had an incorrect read on Xite?

I know this was directed at DH and I don't know about DH's reasons, but I have to say that this certainly isn't the reason for my vote. If anyone wants to know the reason for my vote, I first invite you to go back and look at singer's reasoning for the Xite vote yesterday. This is a good place to start.

I don't have any scumread on you at all but isn't an unnecessary defense the exact same way Dana's D1 started?

My post isn't a defense of DH. I'm trying to get you all to really look at singer's motivations throughout this game (I don't think anyone's done so). She's been under the radar up until yesterday, when she emerged to jump on the Xite wagon.

I'm also looking forward to how DH will answer this, by the way.

[DemonHybrid]

I never said anything about someone killing someone. Holy poisoned wine, Batman!

Oh wait so you're voting singer just because she had an incorrect read on Xite?

Have you even mentioned singer once before today? Why now?

How come everyone freaks out when a read changes after a flip?

She's been lurky before today. I couldn't get a good read of her, so it was nullish, somewhat scummy. She sorta active lurked and posted a ton of fluff the past few days.

Can you tell us which flip that is and why your read on her changed because of that one flip?

Sorry about the vagueness:

I felt like the singer pushing Xite at the end of yesterday was a town vs scum sort of deal (despite Xite not really paying attention to her). Her case doesn't hold up at all; while Xite WAS scummy (and, to be honest, I wasn't really paying that much attention to singer either), singer's case was full of a good amount of fluff and subjective playstyle grievances instead of hard evidence.

Also, her quickvote onto Bunnylover doesn't really help her case. Then a switch onto Wraith, which happens to be the easiest lynch for today in my opinion, scum or not. I suppose I was referring to most of the flips in general, sorry if I'm not giving that much information today. I'm pretty out of it today with a migraine. You think about a case, expect everyone else to know and forget to post it.

It's good if you actually read posts.

[evilpacman18]

Sorry about the vagueness:

I felt like the singer pushing Xite at the end of yesterday was a town vs scum sort of deal (despite Xite not really paying attention to her). Her case doesn't hold up at all; while Xite WAS scummy (and, to be honest, I wasn't really paying that much attention to singer either), singer's case was full of a good amount of fluff and subjective playstyle grievances instead of hard evidence.

Also, her quickvote onto Bunnylover doesn't really help her case. Then a switch onto Wraith, which happens to be the easiest lynch for today in my opinion, scum or not. I suppose I was referring to most of the flips in general, sorry if I'm not giving that much information today. I'm pretty out of it today with a migraine. You think about a case, expect everyone else to know and forget to post it.

It's good if you actually read posts.

No, it's good if you actually understand what I'm saying. The first paragraph of this case does one of three things.
1. Implies that singer had to have been killed by Xite
2. Implies that singer somehow knew Xite was town
3. Nothing

I'm beginning to think it's 3. I have this meta of you that I respect a lot because of you in SHM3 but I could be wrong. Maybe you're not that good. The first paragraph of your case is useless. Those aren't scumtells, those are bad nulltells, and singer didn't do any of them anyway. And if Xite WAS scummy as you say (and I agree he was) then how is her case weak?

[DemonHybrid]

"

singer's case was full of a good amount of fluff and subjective playstyle grievances instead of hard evidence.

"

[DemonHybrid]

As opposed to the rest of us that actually had voting pattern evidence and various scumtells pointed out.

My lord.

[flinter]

I loved Shanba's last post.

From the votecount alone I'm fairly certain Prozac is scum.

Pre-emptive OMGUS.

Was this a bad excuse to use "OMGUS" because you have no real answers?

[Porochaz]

I loved Shanba's last post.

From the votecount alone I'm fairly certain Prozac is scum.

Pre-emptive OMGUS.

Was this a bad excuse to use "OMGUS" because you have no real answers?

I'm sorry I'm still waiting for any form of question. At all.

[Flameaxe]

Votecount 6.2

Singersigner [2] (Antihero, Demonhybrid)
Wraith [2] (Prozac, Singersigner)
Demonhybrid [2] (Evilpacman, Flinter)
Prozac [1] (Wraith)

Not Voting [2] (Shanba, Eek)

Prodding: Eek. Some are close, as usual. Do the easy thing and post hello!

With 9 alive, it will take 5 to lynch, and 5 to no lynch.

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Deadline:

October 31st, 10AM MST.